13 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

At $25M, I want someone to dominate and be a franchise type guy. Not just play well. We can sign a young buck next offseason for that price. Tell me a guy who was still playing like his prime at  at ages 31 and 32? I think you're stuck with Haasan Reddick at age 28 in 2022, when he probably peaked on a great defensive line. Can't think of any guys who were worth top dollar at those ages besides maybe Reggie White. We will have to revisit this later. My bet is he becomes a Clowney type of dude who hunts 1 year deals each year and goes to the highest bidder. Clowney is 31 this year and is getting $10M after 9.5 sacks last year. Reddick for $18-20M in his age 31 season is plenty of money. I personally want young guys here going forward for any large investments.

Hunter signed for about 25m and he's going to be 30 when the season starts. It happens. And I really don't think it would have taken 25m to begin with. You've chosen that number, but no one knows what he would've signed for. It could've been 20 for all we know. If Reddick plays like he did in 2023 I think he's worth a pay raise. I think he was much better in 2023 than people remember, they have let the end of the season recency bias alter their opinion. And I also think we've taken him for granted where a couple years ago we were desperate for anyone who could rush the passer and when a great one finally landed in Philly people start to nitpick how many games he had sacks in and how many games were double digit sacks, etc. First world problems, as it were.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I think he would have. Someone said he could do what Chris Jones did but Jones held out until he was given a new contract

Jones only ended holdout when they restructured on his last year with more incentives. So he played without a long term deal last year. I do think Howie tried to restructure with Reddick for this last year like he did Sweat. But it was a no go.

Reddick is looking for Bosa money, it's obvious.  He is looking in the $30M per year range.   People keep trying to throw $25M around but there is no reason to believe it wouldn't be at least $30M per year that he is seeking. 

 

 

2 hours ago, paco said:

In case you want the numbers for 2025:

Kelce - 16,438,000
Cox - 10,100,000
Graham - 4,560,000*
Total - 31,098,000

*This is assuming the void year allows for a post june designation, if not it's $9,018,000

Its a very small reason why trading Reddick this year also makes sense. Accelerates his dead cap into this year, rather than having it next year if he left as a FA. 

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Hunter signed for about 25m and he's going to be 30 when the season starts. It happens. And I really don't think it would have taken 25m to begin with. You've chosen that number, but no one knows what he would've signed for. It could've been 20 for all we know. If Reddick plays like he did in 2023 I think he's worth a pay raise. I think he was much better in 2023 than people remember, they have let the end of the season recency bias alter their opinion. And I also think we've taken him for granted where a couple years ago we were desperate for anyone who could rush the passer and when a great one finally landed in Philly people start to nitpick how many games he had sacks in and how many games were double digit sacks, etc. First world problems, as it were.

Yeah. Just weird. You would think with Cox gone and BG in his swan song year they would have found a way to make it work but didn't happen. Jets let a young guy walk and bring in Reddick. Puzzling.

14 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Hunter signed for about 25m and he's going to be 30 when the season starts. It happens. And I really don't think it would have taken 25m to begin with. You've chosen that number, but no one knows what he would've signed for. It could've been 20 for all we know. If Reddick plays like he did in 2023 I think he's worth a pay raise. I think he was much better in 2023 than people remember, they have let the end of the season recency bias alter their opinion. And I also think we've taken him for granted where a couple years ago we were desperate for anyone who could rush the passer and when a great one finally landed in Philly people start to nitpick how many games he had sacks in and how many games were double digit sacks, etc. First world problems, as it were.

Hunter is a more complete player and is ascending from his 2022 year. Only signed for 2 years. Reddick is descending and already has a contract this year. He would be signing for his age 31 season and beyond. A year can change a ton. Look at Bradberry. Lol. Reddick is pretty much a 1 tricked pony. Don't need to pay that much. $18-20M on a 1 year extension would have been fine. And maybe restructure of this year. That's it. But he wants beau-coup bux! Here's Hunter's last couple years.

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

Hunter is a more complete player and is ascending from his 2022 year. Only signed for 2 years. Reddick is descending and already has a contract this year. He would be signing for his age 31 season and beyond. A year can change a ton. Look at Bradberry. Lol. Reddick is pretty much a 1 tricked pony. Don't need to pay that much. $18-20M on a 1 year extension would have been fine. And maybe restructure of this year. That's it. But he wants beau-coup bux!

Where's this one trick pony stuff coming from. It's as if people are trying to downplay the man to relieve the butt hurt of him leaving lol. He was actually pretty decent against the run. How's that one trick?

1 hour ago, kiwieagle said:

I like it. What website is that simulator on?

I see someone already linked you to it…yeah it’s a fun tool to play with.  Trades are possible too, but it looks like only ‘draft pick’ trades are available (no player for pick trades I mean).  
 

I was pretty happy with that draft simulation that I did with no trades.  Although I’d like to hear @just relax’s opinion on Jordan Morgan to be sure.

If a top 2-3 CB fell to #22, I’d probably take him this year.  If not, I’d probably do what I think the Eagles will do and target a good OT.  

3 minutes ago, judunno said:

Where's this one trick pony stuff coming from. It's as if people are trying to downplay the man to relieve the butt hurt of him leaving lol. He was actually pretty decent against the run. How's that one trick?

He's a one trick, cancer, malcontent, descending, inconsistent, r-word guy with one foot in the grave. Get it right. 

With the reports about the Eagles not being happy with the edge rushers last year coupled with Reddick’s desire for more money, you have to wonder if he went a little Babin last year trying to juice his stats for a new contract. 

26 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Jones only ended holdout when they restructured on his last year with more incentives. So he played without a long term deal last year. I do think Howie tried to restructure with Reddick for this last year like he did Sweat. But it was a no go.

He had a restructure in September after the holdout and then a new contract last month. You originally said that Reddick can do like Jones did and play out his contract and then get paid. That's not what happened

22 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Hunter is a more complete player and is ascending from his 2022 year. Only signed for 2 years. Reddick is descending and already has a contract this year. He would be signing for his age 31 season and beyond. A year can change a ton. Look at Bradberry. Lol. Reddick is pretty much a 1 tricked pony. Don't need to pay that much. $18-20M on a 1 year extension would have been fine. And maybe restructure of this year. That's it. But he wants beau-coup bux! Here's Hunter's last couple years.

A one year sample  doesn't mean you're ascending or descending. It doesn't work that way. Khalil Mack had 12.5 sacks in 2018, single digit sacks every year after that through 2022. Then in 2023 had 17.5. Statistical production is impacted by a large variety of factors, some of which a player has no control of. The raw numbers don't really matter, the question is, has Haason Reddick lost physical ability from 2022, and I think the answer is unequivocally no.

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

With the reports about the Eagles not being happy with the edge rushers last year coupled with Reddick’s desire for more money, you have to wonder if he went a little Babin last year trying to juice his stats for a new contract. 

I don't recall Reddick overplaying and losing contain much last year pinning his ears back for pass rushes. I do recall Sweat doing that a ton though.

Maybe Craig Carton was right and Haason smashed Tina Lurie 

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

A one year sample  doesn't mean you're ascending or descending. It doesn't work that way. Khalil Mack had 12.5 sacks in 2018, single digit sacks every year after that through 2022. Then in 2023 had 17.5. Statistical production is impacted by a large variety of factors, some of which a player has no control of. The raw numbers don't really matter, the question is, has Haason Reddick lost physical ability from 2022, and I think the answer is unequivocally no.

Yeah. But the stats matter when you are going to the bargaining table at that moment. Hunter was in a great spot. And going into free agency. Timing is everything. Just like for Huff. What you did last year matters immensely. If Bradberry went to bargain in free agency this year he would get bupkis. Last year he got paid. Yeah you do look at body of work, but last year matters. And he slipped siginificantly. And the way that defense collapsed last year does not favor Reddick to be paid $25M or more right now. 

Btw... if someone is going to try and make the case that Reddick "is declining" then one can't turn around and blame Saquon Barkley's lack of production in 2023 on being on a bad Giants team. I'm not saying anyone here has done that, I'm just saying generally. People tend to be very selective about when they apply their own arguments. I was listening to WIP the last couple days and some of the people being ok with the move because "Reddick didn't have the same season as he did in 2022" also said the biggest reason they think the Eagles have had a great offseason so far is signing Barkley(who had a statistical drop off from 2022 to 2023). People can't choose when to apply context.

Yes, please.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Btw... if someone is going to try and make the case that Reddick "is declining" then one can't turn around and blame Saquon Barkley's lack of production in 2023 on being on a bad Giants team. I'm not saying anyone here has done that, I'm just saying generally.

Lots of people have done that.  I'm quite concerned Barkley has only averaged 4.0 yards per carry and less than 6.5 yards per catch over the past 4 years.  The response "he was on a bad Giants team" has been almost uniform.

I'm not convinced Barkley will make any real difference to the Eagles offense, but I hope I'm wrong.  I've been wrong several times already today.  My hope is that he'll carry the load along the ground and Hurts has a healthy 2-3 years coming.  

2 minutes ago, Know Life said:

Yes, please.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Lots of people have done that.  I'm quite concerned Barkley has only averaged 4.0 yards per carry and less than 6.5 yards per catch over the past 4 years.  The response "he was on a bad Giants team" has been almost uniform.

I'm not convinced Barkley will make any real difference to the Eagles offense, but I hope I'm wrong.  I've been wrong several times already today.  My hope is that he'll carry the load along the ground and Hurts has a healthy 2-3 years coming.  

That man had to dance in the back field more than Barry Sanders lol. Lucky to avg 4.0 yards.

2 hours ago, judunno said:

Somewhere between Montez Sweat and Hendrickson?

Why? Hendrickson has more sacks over the last three seasons at 39.5 to Reddick's 38, and more over the four seasons at 52.5 to Reddick's 50.5. Hendrickson is also coming off of a 17.5 sack season where as Reddick had 11. If we are talking based on pure production which is what I keep hearing should determine Reddick's high value, Hendrickson has been more the productive guy.

53 minutes ago, judunno said:

Where's this one trick pony stuff coming from. It's as if people are trying to downplay the man to relieve the butt hurt of him leaving lol. He was actually pretty decent against the run. How's that one trick?

Well, yes and no. He was really good at crashing down the LOS to tackle RBs, but struggled holding the edge and could be caught inside on play action or fake hand off and a pitch to his side and sealed off.

Problem with Reddick was he was too small for RDE, and lacked the skill set for 3-4 OLB, so you had to design your defense around his limitations.

47 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

With the reports about the Eagles not being happy with the edge rushers last year coupled with Reddick’s desire for more money, you have to wonder if he went a little Babin last year trying to juice his stats for a new contract. 

Well he certainly didn't play contain/the run. Sweat didn't either FWIW.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Well he certainly didn't play contain/the run. Sweat didn't either FWIW.

They both were getting abused in the run game, mainly because they played contain worse than the average junior high level football player by constantly crashing down and taking themselves out of the play.

I think Reddick was still a great player and will have a good year with the Jets. We'll miss him.

I think Howie did good letting him go due to his contract structure and the way he built the roster.

Both can be true and it's OK.