39 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And those were shocking events?   Cox' dead money, btw, has nothing to do with his retirement.  IIRC, he wasn't under contract for 2024, so his cap hit was already determined based on previous negotiations.   Graham also wasn't under contract for 2024, so his dead cap number has nothing to do with his impending retirement either.   And Kelce's retirement has been anticipated for some time... and during those anticipation years, Howie pushed base salary from previous years to void years with renegotiations.   In other words, Howie made this situation, 100% himself.   It isn't something that he didn't know was coming.   

 

People need to stop trying to find ways to defend Howie on this.   He knew these guys were getting old and had very little time left.  And this is how he CHOSE to handle it.

He made this situation vs. what? I think if the alternative was letting Kelce, Cox or Graham go, he made the right decision. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Howie needs to trade Reddick to free up money from the 2025 cap, because of these retirements... etc, etc, etc.   He has renegotiated Lane Johnson's contract to push more money into the future on so many occasions that I've lost count.  It seems like an annual announcement... and what is the result of that?   But those same people can't then turn around and use the dead money as an excuse for why he needs to make a bad FOOTBALL decision (i.e. trading away a known quantity for peanuts) because of the amount of dead money committed to retired players.   

Trading Reddick wasn't a pure salary cap decision, and anyone who thinks that needs only to look at Lane's contract situation to see that, if Howie wanted to make it work, he would have made it work.

Reddick reportedly wanted a top of the market contract extension, which means paying him $35 million a year. Lane is a top of the market tackle, so the team made his contract work. Reddick? Would you rather have him or Garrett. Or Parsons. Or Bosa. Or Watt. Or Crosby. Or a bunch of other guys.

We saw the same thing last year with CJGJ. He wanted top of market money, and the team let him walk. It wasn't a salary cap decision, it was a "this guy wants way more than he's worth" decision.

 

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

But that’s not why Reddick was traded, and I certainly wouldn’t call a third round pick, even a delayed one, peanuts. 

That was the defense posited.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That was the defense posited.

Then they’re wrong too. 

11 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

As long as the ratio of dead cap remains the same, it doesn't matter if the dead cap number keeps going up. I'll stop defending Howie using void years when it puts us in a situation like the saints being $73mm over the cap in 2025.

You said that no GM can handle 3 major retirements in the same year... when it was only 1 that mattered.  Only Kelce was under contract for 2024, and again... these weren't surprise retirements like Andrew Luck or Patrick Willis... or even the craziest of all (though not expensive) Chris Borland.   These were events where the writing was on the wall for MULTIPLE YEARS.   It wasn't a surprise, and any GM worth his salt would be prepared for such a day.

13 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

He made this situation vs. what? I think if the alternative was letting Kelce, Cox or Graham go, he made the right decision. 

Vs. being a victim of circumstance, as was posited.   Having to deal with 3 retirements at once (only really 1) and having the dead money stacking up on him.   That was his plan.  So, he's not a victim of the events, he's the orchestrator of the events.

8 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

We saw the same thing last year with CJGJ. He wanted top of market money, and the team let him walk. It wasn't a salary cap decision, it was a "this guy wants way more than he's worth" decision.

We sure did.  And we also saw a garbage product defensively, including the safety and nickel DB positions.  It was a great decision... except that it wasn't a great decision to let CJGJ walk and replace him with the cheaper alternatives in Terrell Edmunds and Justin Evans... so much so that we took a 3rd swing at the safety position costing us draft capital with Kevin Byard and that also was a massive whiff.   Three swings... three misses.   But, let us rejoice that we didn't overpay CJGJ in the process.   Instead we overpaid Slay and Bradberry, and are tied to them for another year or two, but have brought back CJGJ.  Quite a bargain.  Astute roster construction.

 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You said that no GM can handle 3 major retirements in the same year... when it was only 1 that mattered.  Only Kelce was under contract for 2024, and again... these weren't surprise retirements like Andrew Luck or Patrick Willis... or even the craziest of all (though not expensive) Chris Borland.   These were events where the writing was on the wall for MULTIPLE YEARS.   It wasn't a surprise, and any GM worth his salt would be prepared for such a day.

 

1 hour ago, wussbasket said:

Agree to some extent, but the dead cap issue is mostly due to the retirements of Kelce, Cox, and Graham for 2025. It’s not too common to have big 3 retirements hit you in the same year. That’s difficult for any GM to manage.

There’s more to the trade than just cap relief. The overall roster can be improved with better roster management.

 

Here's what I said. And Howie was prepared for such a day by spending today's dollars while they have a surplus in cap space to clear dead cap in 2025.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And those were shocking events?   Cox' dead money, btw, has nothing to do with his retirement.  IIRC, he wasn't under contract for 2024, so his cap hit was already determined based on previous negotiations.   Graham also wasn't under contract for 2024, so his dead cap number has nothing to do with his impending retirement either.   And Kelce's retirement has been anticipated for some time... and during those anticipation years, Howie pushed base salary from previous years to void years with renegotiations.   In other words, Howie made this situation, 100% himself.   It isn't something that he didn't know was coming.   

 

People need to stop trying to find ways to defend Howie on this.   He knew these guys were getting old and had very little time left.  And this is how he CHOSE to handle it.

I don't know why you bother. They'll defend Howie no matter what. It's talking to a wall

33 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Eskin said the same thing yesterday. Also said he wanted "well north of 20m” and "isn’t good against the run.”

This feels like Eagles people slandering him on his way out the door though via leaks.

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Josh Rosen

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Vs. being a victim of circumstance, as was posited.   Having to deal with 3 retirements at once (only really 1) and having the dead money stacking up on him.   That was his plan.  So, he's not a victim of the events, he's the orchestrator of the events.

I agree that he did not know for certain when Cox or Kelce would retire.  I also agree that he planned for the void years and dead money.  This move is intentional.  He's borrowing against future cap space.  I think that's a reasonable investment. 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Eskin said the same thing yesterday. Also said he wanted "well north of 20m” and "isn’t good against the run.”

This feels like Eagles people slandering him on his way out the door though via leaks.

Slandering would be making false statements ..... 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Josh Rosen

I think you first have to have a decent rookie year before you can fall off from it.  Rosen’s career never got off the ground

1 hour ago, McMVP said:

Had a feeling you would

I am nothing if not predictable.

Never understood Jody Mac. Why be in the Eagles market all these years and being a Jets fan?  Also his and McMullens love for WWE. Strange. 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Eskin said the same thing yesterday. Also said he wanted "well north of 20m” and "isn’t good against the run.”

This feels like Eagles people slandering him on his way out the door though via leaks.

I believe that he wanted north of $20 million.  I don't think he was chasing sacks.  I think the defensive scheme was a mess last season. 

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Josh Rosen

He just fell out of the league.  He stunk his rookie season too. 

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I believe that he wanted north of $20 million.  I don't think he was chasing sacks.  I think the defensive scheme was a mess last season. 

Correct.

10 minutes ago, just relax said:

I am nothing if not predictable.

I don’t think many blog members would be opposed to getting Alt at 12 and only having to part with a 2nd.  Some would, of course. It’s always just a matter of opinion.
 

The reality is it’s probably not realistic (both us moving up to 12 for just pick #53, and Alt dropping to 12).  I don’t think Alt makes it past pick 7.  Could possibly even be picked by Harbaugh at 5

Wow Diggs being traded to Texans 

 

Lol