23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Void years have been around for a long time. They were less popular because the salary cap wasn't rising at a rate like it currently is after the new CBA. 

Remind me.... the famous Deon Sanders contract from Washington.... did that have 7 void years or 7 actual years that were "fake" (I.E., they would cut him before ever seeing it).  I feel like the 2006 CBA did something to put an end to that and then void years as we know them came in 2011?

 

Note, I may be WAY off on the early history.  I was in my 20s and my mental state was "altered".  A lot.

19 minutes ago, austinfan said:

One thing I've never understood is why women wear heels with pants - the point of heels is to make your calf more shapely (as well as add an inch to your height, or why Taylor don't need 'em) - and wearing pants defeats that purpose.

Just now, bpac55 said:

No one wants to trade AJ Brown, but you do have to look at the option after this year. Next year his cap jumps to $26.5 million and in 2026 it's $41.5 million. He's not playing here on those numbers. We just Reddick get traded because they couldn't agree on numbers. I don't see AJ Brown as being the kind of guy to back down from what he thinks he deserves. Ideally, he gets extended. However, I wouldn't be shocked one bit if he was gone after this year.

That would be foolish I think. You trade a 1 for him, this team is all about the pass, we suffered for years with poor receivers, he's best friends with the QB, he's only 26... He should be extended if anything. 

20 minutes ago, austinfan said:

One thing I've never understood is why women wear heels with pants - the point of heels is to make your calf more shapely (as well as add an inch to your height, or why Taylor don't need 'em) - and wearing pants defeats that purpose.

I am more bothered by the bad boob job

2 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

That would be foolish I think. You trade a 1 for him, this team is all about the pass, we suffered for years with poor receivers, he's best friends with the QB, he's only 26... He should be extended if anything. 

Trading him now sounds foolish. He'll be 28 going in to the 2025 season, and while still in his prime, how much is Howie going to pay a guy that close to 30? You only trade him if his contract demands can't be met. 

6 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

That would be foolish I think. You trade a 1 for him, this team is all about the pass, we suffered for years with poor receivers, he's best friends with the QB, he's only 26... He should be extended if anything. 

Is it?

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I am more bothered by the bad boob job

Oh knock it off.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Trading him now sounds foolish. He'll be 28 going in to the 2025 season, and while still in his prime, how much is Howie going to pay a guy that close to 30? You only trade him if his contract demands can't be met. 

There's 3 options:

1. Convert ~$14mm of his $15.25mm salary into a signing bonus and amortize it over 4 years at $3.5mm per year -- frees up about $10.5mm in 2025 cap but pushes up his dead money after the contract runs out (3.5mm to 2026, 7mm to 2027 when he is gone). His salary isn't guaranteed, so he'd be all for it.

2. Extend him for 3 years and drop the cap numbers in 2025 -2027 with void years.

3. Trade him and move his salary to another team. Frees up ~$11mm in cap.

I'm guessing Howie goes with door #2.

7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I am more bothered by the bad boob job

Butterface

9 minutes ago, paco said:

Remind me.... the famous Deon Sanders contract from Washington.... did that have 7 void years or 7 actual years that were "fake" (I.E., they would cut him before ever seeing it).  I feel like the 2006 CBA did something to put an end to that and then void years as we know them came in 2011?

 

Note, I may be WAY off on the early history.  I was in my 20s and my mental state was "altered".  A lot.

Not sure about Sanders. I just know he signed the 7 year deal and then retired after one season, with Washington eventually releasing him when he wanted to come back. 

Void years may have been introduced in 2011 but not entirely sure. I do know Cowboys used them with Ware and Romo though. 

2 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Butterface

 She literally won Miss Kansas. And I don't care if she had Bobeph's face on that body...with that bank account.

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

There's 3 options:

1. Convert ~$14mm of his $15.25mm salary into a signing bonus and amortize it over 4 years at $3.5mm per year -- frees up about $10.5mm in 2025 cap but pushes up his dead money after the contract runs out (3.5mm to 2026, 7mm to 2027 when he is gone). His salary isn't guaranteed, so he'd be all for it.

2. Extend him for 3 years and drop the cap numbers in 2025 -2027 with void years.

3. Trade him and move his salary to another team. Frees up ~$11mm in cap.

I'm guessing Howie goes with door #2.

If he goes off the rails with the diva BS and going berzerk on the sidelines/locker room then maybe #3.

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Trading him now sounds foolish. He'll be 28 going in to the 2025 season, and while still in his prime, how much is Howie going to pay a guy that close to 30? You only trade him if his contract demands can't be met. 

Not sure you can pay him and smitty top dollar

Maybe Allbright is right about Simmons, and if I had to bet I'd say if the Eagles wanted another safety, they probably would have signed them. But Bo Wulf, Caplan and some others have said they think the Eagles would pounce if his price matched theirs. Whether that's pure speculation or educated speculation, who knows.

But I can't believe the little they've done to the back 7 plus the draft is all they think they need on defense. It can't be it, can it? Especially after how badly their lack of adding quality guys there completely blew up in their face last season, Howie is usually one to course correct. Unless they really do have that level of hubris or just think Fangio will make that much of a difference. Which frankly, is unfair to Fangio. If not another safety, I have to think a move at corner is coming.

Because I think there's a decent probability some combination of OT, OG, WR could be in play with their first 4 picks. I would not be totally stunned if 3 out of their first 4 picks consisted of those positions. So I don't think we can even assume the Eagles will patch the remaining defensive holes in the draft, because the way they've been scouting OL, I think it's a virtual guarantee they take at least one in the first two days, and I really think WR is coming too considering how inactive they've been there in free agency.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Maybe Allbright is right about Simmons, and if I had to bet I'd say if the Eagles wanted another safety, they probably would have signed them. But Bo Wulf, Caplan and some others have said they think the Eagles would pounce if his price matched theirs. Whether that's pure speculation or educated speculation, who knows.

But I can't believe the little they've done to the back 7 plus the draft is all they think they need on defense. It can't be it, can it? Especially after how badly their lack of adding quality guys there completely blew up in their face last season, Howie is usually one to course correct. Unless they really do have that level of hubris or just think Fangio will make that much of a difference. Which frankly, is unfair to Fangio. If not another safety, I have to think a move at corner is coming.

Because I think there's a decent probability some combination of OT, OG, WR could be in play with their first 4 picks. I would not be totally stunned if 3 out of their first 4 picks consisted of those positions. So I don't think we can even assume the Eagles will patch the remaining defensive holes in the draft, because the way they've been scouting OL, I think it's a virtual guarantee they take at least one in the first two days, and I really think WR is coming too considering how inactive they've been there in free agency.

You need to accept that Howie believes in the guys that are already on the roster lol

11 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Butterface

😆

Here’s a question for you guys. Just had a conversation with someone who corrected me when I said 2021 was probably Howie’s best draft since 2012:

Devonta Smith, averaging 1000 yards a season and set eagles receptions record in 2022

Landon Dickerson, 2-time pro bowl LG with Oline flexibility

Milton Williams, good start to his career and IMO would be a starter by now if we weren’t perennially loaded at the position.

Kenneth Gainwell, useful rotational back with 90 first downs in his first 3 years

Zach Mcphearson, still making 53 man rosters in a special teams capacity 

 

His counter was 2018:

Dallas Goedert, pro bowl caliber TE

Jordan Mailata, pro bowl caliber LT

Josh Sweat, evolved into starter in heavy rotation

Avonte Maddox, slot specialist 

and all done with no 1st round pick

 

I think I’m still taking 2021

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not sure about Sanders. I just know he signed the 7 year deal and then retired after one season, with Washington eventually releasing him when he wanted to come back. 

Void years may have been introduced in 2011 but not entirely sure. I do know Cowboys used them with Ware and Romo though. 

They could have existed further back for all I know. 🤷‍♂️  But I do know contracts after the 2011 cba had them.  

41 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Reed Blankenship is one of those guys where he's good enough to start for you and not cost you games, but he's not going to really impact games or win you games either. He's the type of player that's going to annoy the hell out of me within 2 years. Since the Eagles don't value safety as much as other positions, they'll be passive about upgrading him, because they'll have a starting caliber(ish) player under contract for cheap and he's not a bad player, but also you'll be watching games every Sunday wishing you had someone more impactful playing the position. And also the Eagles love showing off being right about things, so them being able to puff their chests out that an UDFA became a starter will definitely stroke their egos.

The Eagles brought in Cole Bishop for a visit, so I don’t think the Eagles are necessarily satisfied.

I think the bigger issue is finding a guy they think can be a clear upgrade and get him at a position in the draft they see as value.

I don’t think we will ever take a safety in the first or top half of the second round. But late second or third is where we’ll look. We just need the right guy to be available.

6 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Here’s a question for you guys. Just had a conversation with someone who corrected me when I said 2021 was probably Howie’s best draft since 2012:

Devonta Smith, averaging 1000 yards a season and set eagles receptions record in 2022

Landon Dickerson, 2-time pro bowl LG with Oline flexibility

Milton Williams, good start to his career and IMO would be a starter by now if we weren’t perennially loaded at the position.

Kenneth Gainwell, useful rotational back with 90 first downs in his first 3 years

Zach Mcphearson, still making 53 man rosters in a special teams capacity 

 

His counter was 2018:

Dallas Goedert, pro bowl caliber TE

Jordan Mailata, pro bowl caliber LT

Josh Sweat, evolved into starter in heavy rotation

Avonte Maddox, slot specialist 

and all done with no 1st round pick

 

I think I’m still taking 2021

Selecting Dallas in dallas, while jumping dallas has to hold some extra weight here.

19 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Oh knock it off.

She’s mid AF.

Spoiler

I’d still hit, though. But only from the back. 😂

 

34 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Here’s a question for you guys. Just had a conversation with someone who corrected me when I said 2021 was probably Howie’s best draft since 2012:

Devonta Smith, averaging 1000 yards a season and set eagles receptions record in 2022

Landon Dickerson, 2-time pro bowl LG with Oline flexibility

Milton Williams, good start to his career and IMO would be a starter by now if we weren’t perennially loaded at the position.

Kenneth Gainwell, useful rotational back with 90 first downs in his first 3 years

Zach Mcphearson, still making 53 man rosters in a special teams capacity 

 

His counter was 2018:

Dallas Goedert, pro bowl caliber TE

Jordan Mailata, pro bowl caliber LT

Josh Sweat, evolved into starter in heavy rotation

Avonte Maddox, slot specialist 

and all done with no 1st round pick

 

I think I’m still taking 2021

If Williams takes another step forward, from a pure talent perspective, 2021 is a clear winner.

 

What was really impressive with 2018 is, like you said, no first round pick AND limited picks.  We had 5.  We hit on 4.  And with Matt Pryor we recouped his draft capital back in a trade with Indy.  (He was #206 in 2018, shipped him and a 7th to Indy for #194)

5 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Selecting Dallas in dallas, while jumping dallas who needed a TE has to hold some extra weight here.

With David Akers going full WWE heel on the mic?

 

Yes.  (and minor FYP)

Wheeling and dealing

49 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I thought Moore didn't use 3 WR sets much?

The Chargers used 3 WRs 72.3% of the time last year.

The bigger question is if we’d utilize a third WR enough to justify taking one in the first round?

I agree it wouldn’t make sense if Moore doesn’t plan on throwing to the third WR. It would probably mean Smith, Brown and Goedert getting fewer looks.

But on the plus side, if you have a speedy 3rd WR who teams have to respect as a viable target every down, I think we could really stress defenses in a way we haven’t seen. It would open up a lot of RAC yardage for Brown and Barkley would see safeties a lot deeper.