1 minute ago, UK Eagle said:

I wonder if the next CBA will remove or amend the use of void years in it.  Can see some teams not liking that they are used; especially if they are more traditionally run franchise.

Why would the players support changes that would prevent them from making more money sooner? It won't happen. It's not unfair. This is just "contract analytics." For some teams like the Eagles, it's a large part of the strategy. For other teams, it complicates the approach they prefer or they just aren't comfortable with the idea of knowingly creating dead cap. 

Strategies evolve in competition. Some competitors refuse to evolve.  

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Who would you use as an example?

The most traditionally run franchise I can think of is the cowboys, who have had the same GM since the 80’s, are very conservative, and refuse to sign players in FA because their homegrown guys are more worth the star on the helmet.

And they use void years up the wazoo

Certainly someone like the Steelers come across as an antique shop franchise.  Bears and Bungles too.  The Roseman influenced teams will more likely do it.

Just now, brkmsn said:

Why would the players support changes that would prevent them from making more money sooner? It won't happen. It's not unfair. This is just "contract analytics." For some teams like the Eagles, it's a large part of the strategy. For other teams, it complicates the approach they prefer or they just aren't comfortable with the idea of knowingly creating dead cap. 

Strategies evolve in competition. Some competitors refuse to evolve.  

The players may not like it, but if the cap number is higher, perhaps that is the flex needed to push it through. The fact that some players aren't complaining now is kind of amazing

9 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

The players may not like it, but if the cap number is higher, perhaps that is the flex needed to push it through. The fact that some players aren't complaining now is kind of amazing

Did you mean to say "players" or teams? There is nothing for the players to complain about. A team like the Eagles uses future caps to afford more players now. That's great for players. 

35 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I wonder if the next CBA will remove or amend the use of void years in it.  Can see some teams not liking that they are used; especially if they are more traditionally run franchise.

No chance. Players would never go for that and all 32 teams wouldn’t even agree with it amongst themselves. 

16 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Did you mean to say "players" or teams? There is nothing for the players to complain about. A team like the Eagles uses future caps to afford more players now. That's great for players. 

Both.  E.g. Bungles leadership should complain that others are leveraging future cap and gaining an unfair advantage, the players should complain they aren't be paid as much as they could because they don't do it.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No chance. Players would never go for that and all 32 teams wouldn’t even agree with it amongst themselves. 

Even if the cap rose significantly?  Like 25%?

9 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

 

Even if the cap rose significantly?  Like 25%?

I think the opposite is going to happen. Now that the teams have all seen how Philly got out of Wentz’s dead money, Atlanta with Ryan, Rams with Goff, and what we see Denver do (good or bad) with the massive Wilson cap hit, they’ll be more comfortable with the understandings of manipulating void years going forward. 
 

Fear/insecurity in this case is only due to ignorance IMO.

31 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Certainly someone like the Steelers come across as an antique shop franchise.  Bears and Bungles too.  The Roseman influenced teams will more likely do it.

The players may not like it, but if the cap number is higher, perhaps that is the flex needed to push it through. The fact that some players aren't complaining now is kind of amazing

The players like it because they get to go back to the negotiating table more often, and if they stay healthy can make more. You have players that over perform the contract and get to make a boatload of money like Kirk Cousins has. It also greatly helps out with 1 year prove it deals since the team doesn't have to take the full cap hit in a single year.

 

7 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Both.  E.g. Bungles leadership should complain that others are leveraging future cap and gaining an unfair advantage, the players should complain they aren't be paid as much as they could because they don't do it.

Even if the cap rose significantly?  Like 25%?

The advantage the Eagles have is Lurie and his willingness to burn cash on an asset you no longer have. That's tough for some to stomach, but is what allows the Eagles to use void years at the rate they do.

The argument for drafting OT at #22 is actually pretty easy.  Neither Lane nor Mailata will ever threaten Cal Ripken Jr level of reliability from a health standpoint.  Are folks comfortable at this point just trotting Steen out there to start multiple games if necessary?

GROSS...and the absolute garbage story telling.

 

How many Howie's?  Used those 2nd rounders to move on up.  

12 hours ago, uncphillyfan said:

That list is bad

Not really, I think it is positionally bad for players like OT and QB.  It's good for WR, LB and CB.  

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

GROSS...and the absolute garbage story telling.

 

I could see a permanent change coming ..... 

7 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

How many Howie's?  Used those 2nd rounders to move on up.  

11 out of 7.

29 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The argument for drafting OT at #22 is actually pretty easy.  Neither Lane nor Mailata will ever threaten Cal Ripken Jr level of reliability from a health standpoint.  Are folks comfortable at this point just trotting Steen out there to start multiple games if necessary?

Steen was an excellent college LT, arms are too short to project him as a long-term starter at the NFL level (though Peters was only 34", Steen 33", footwork can compensate to some extent), question is whether he can play RT at that level. Though they'd probably like him to settle in at RG and draft a developmental tackle.

The Lehigh Valley area just had a small earthquake. That was random.

Just now, bitbased said:

The Lehigh Valley area just had a small earthquake. That was random.

In Philly and NYC too

 

11 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

In Philly and NYC too

Being listed as a 4.7 right now. Wild.

https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?extent=24.80668,-87.23145&extent=52.50953,-69.12598&map=false

Yup.   I'm seeing 4.7 magnitude near Tewksbury, NJ.

4 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

At this point Howie's offseason is a standard dose of "meh" for me.  I've always been a Saquon fan since his first year at Penn State but he's got a lot of mileage on him and he is often hurt.  Hall instead of Reddick might turn out to be a good swap but I'll believe that when I see it.  White is probably an upgrade but doesn't excite me.  CJGJ will certainly make a bunch of plays but he'll miss a bunch as well.  Mailata extension is solid, Maddox a stretch.  Overall not horrible but not moving the needle either.  Perhaps I'll be more positive after the draft.

Saquon is basically a question of health. If he’s healthy I think he’s a huge upgrade. It’s going to be huge to have a home run threat at RB who is a good receiver but also has the ability to slash inside. I’m expecting the eagles to give him a LOT of touches. Say good bye to RBBC.

Huff for Reddick, probably a small downgrade overall next season but an upgrade over the next 3 years,

CJGJ is a major upgrade. It’s not like our DBs weren’t missing plays.

I also like the OG from Atlanta, Hennessy, who we signed. Solid starter and a great backup if he loses a camp battle.

I’d also remind everyone that we get Isaiah Rodgers back from suspension. Great move by Howie to pick him up — he could be a big addition.

19 minutes ago, bitbased said:

The Lehigh Valley area just had a small earthquake. That was random.

Phillies released their city connect jerseys and then an earthquake happened. Clearly it’s a sign that they need to be burned and scrapped 

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

I’d also remind everyone that we get Isaiah Rodgers back from suspension. Great move by Howie to pick him up — he could be a big addition.

Remind us once he's actually been reinstated.

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I think the opposite is going to happen. Now that the teams have all seen how Philly got out of Wentz’s dead money, Atlanta with Ryan, Rams with Goff, and what we see Denver do (good or bad) with the massive Wilson cap hit, they’ll be more comfortable with the understandings of manipulating void years going forward. 
 

Fear/insecurity in this case is only due to ignorance IMO.

Especially since they all saw how COVID negatively impacted the finances/cap and saw how to navigate it.

 

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

Saquon is basically a question of health. If he’s healthy I think he’s a huge upgrade. It’s going to be huge to have a home run threat at RB who is a good receiver but also has the ability to slash inside. I’m expecting the eagles to give him a LOT of touches. Say good bye to RBBC.

Huff for Reddick, probably a small downgrade overall next season but an upgrade over the next 3 years,

CJGJ is a major upgrade. It’s not like our DBs weren’t missing plays.

I also like the OG from Atlanta, Hennessy, who we signed. Solid starter and a great backup if he loses a camp battle.

I’d also remind everyone that we get Isaiah Rodgers back from suspension. Great move by Howie to pick him up — he could be a big addition.

I think he's suspended 2 years because he bet on his own team.