47 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We don’t have his jumps, probably for good reason, but he might be an all-time athlete from a movement perspective. 

He's a smaller OG. He's a good athlete! But he's not a great/all-time athlete given his size limitations.

313 lbs beside Cam who is 300 lbs? Way too small for me.

When was Kelce at his best? Beside Brandon Brooks. Yes, Brooks was awesome. But Brooks helped Kelce a lot. 

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hard to tell.

sure, for you.

I do wonder if the value of top end guards and centers will increase as the relative value of DTs increases. The big increase in contracts given out to the interior DL shows the increased importance in the league. 

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

He's a smaller OG. He's a good athlete! But he's not a great/all-time athlete given his size limitations.

313 lbs beside Cam who is 300 lbs? Way too small for me.

When was Kelce at his best? Beside Brandon Brooks. Yes, Brooks was awesome. But Brooks helped Kelce a lot. 

He’ll probably naturally bulk up to about 320. That’s plenty big enough. 

Just now, DEagle7 said:

I do wonder if the value of top end guards and centers will increase as the relative value of DTs increases. The big increase in contracts given out to the interior DL shows the increased importance in the league. 

Robert Hunt makes top cornerback money. So does Dickerson. It’s not really a devalued position anymore. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He’ll probably naturally bulk up to about 320. That’s plenty big enough. 

We'll see. 4 years at Duke. He doesn't physically look like he can add more "good" weight. 

Might be my PTSD from seeing Kelce/Jurgens get bullied together this year. 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Robert Hunt makes top cornerback money. So does Dickerson. It’s not really a devalued position anymore. 

True. I guess I was more talking about the draft and the relative devaluation compared the OTs. I doubt it will ever be completely on par but I'm curious if we start to see more early round iOL over the next few years. 

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

We'll see. 4 years at Duke. He doesn't physically look like he can add more "good" weight. 

Might be my PTSD from seeing Kelce/Jurgens get bullied together this year. 

He’s basically 6-5 1/2. His arms aren’t long, but he has the frame to add weight. It took Jurgens all he had to get to 310.  

 

6 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I do wonder if the value of top end guards and centers will increase as the relative value of DTs increases. The big increase in contracts given out to the interior DL shows the increased importance in the league. 

Look at the OG contracts getting handed out. I think they already are increasing in value.

The trick to me is you have to find someone who is overwhelming in the power run game with sheer strength and mass, but also has the movement skills to get to the edge and downfield — the prototype being a 6’4” 340 pound Shawn Andrews sort of player.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Far too shortsighted

That's fine, I understand it but Lane isn't retiring. He is playing two more years, barring catastrophic injury. You don't need to draft his replacement this instant turning a blind eye to this defense. That's my take at least and know I am in the minority. I'd also be completely fine with the right o-line player in round 1, see Latham, Fautanu, Fuaga. Even the Yale and BYU kid in round 2 would be fine. 

I’d take the OT now if the Edge they want don’t fall to us

McLane was on WIP and didn't really say much new but he again that the Eagles did not want Reddick back at his current cap numbers(and next year's) and wanted to restructure and actually wanted him to take a pay cut or at the very least come to a reasonable agreement where they could lower his cap number and they weren't able to make that happen.

Any chance we can steal Jaycee Horn from the Panthers? I wouldn't want to part with one of our current 2nd's, but maybe you trade back from 22 to pick up some ammo that enables you to grab Horn.

19 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

McLane was on WIP and didn't really say much new but he again that the Eagles did not want Reddick back at his current cap numbers(and next year's) and wanted to restructure and actually wanted him to take a pay cut or at the very least come to a reasonable agreement where they could lower his cap number and they weren't able to make that happen.

I doubt they wanted him to take a pay cut. Lowering the cap number on any restructure through void years makes sense though. 

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

When Lane retires is extremely important.  If he plays 3 more years, a first round pick at OT is really bad value.  

2 more years and it has to be this year or next.

How long did Lane sit and wait to start?

46 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

That's fine, I understand it but Lane isn't retiring. He is playing two more years, barring catastrophic injury. You don't need to draft his replacement this instant turning a blind eye to this defense. That's my take at least and know I am in the minority. I'd also be completely fine with the right player in round 1, see Latham, Fautanu, Fuaga. Even the Yale and BYU kid in round 2 would be fine. 

EAGLES OFFENSIVE TACKLES - RECENT HISTORY

Lane has $18 Million+ for the next 3 years.  24, 25, 26.  Is also signed for 2027.

Lane started week 1 of his rookie year.

Lane started every game of his rookie year.  

No sitting and waiting.

Jason Peters was a udfa by the Bills,  became a pro bowler there,  and was signed by the Eagles as a full price starting Left Tackle. 

No sitting and waiting.

Mailata was drafted in the 7th round,   with no football experience whatsoever,  a complete and total project.   Sat and waited,  became great.

Dillard was drafted in the 1st round.   Wasn't a week 1 starter,  despite being a 1st round pick.  Was mostly a failure with the Eagles.

Things the Eagles have done that worked.

1) Draft 1st round pick - starts immediately (Lane Johnson)
2) Expensive free agent - starts immediately (Jason Peters)
3) Day 3 pick on complete project - waits a while (Mailata)

Things the Eagles have done that didn't work .

1) Draft 1st round pick - does not start immediately (Dillard)

I think that the Eagles should do what worked,  instead of what didn't work.

2 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

EAGLES OFFENSIVE TACKLES - RECENT HISTORY

Lane has $18 Million+ for the next 3 years.  24, 25, 26.  Is also signed for 2027.

Lane started week 1 of his rookie year.

Lane started every game of his rookie year.  

No sitting and waiting.

Jason Peters was a udfa by the Bills,  became a pro bowler there,  and was signed by the Eagles as a full price starting Left Tackle. 

No sitting and waiting.

Mailata was drafted in the 7th round,   with no football experience whatsoever,  a complete and total project.   Sat and waited,  became great.

Dillard was drafted in the 1st round.   Wasn't a week 1 starter,  despite being a 1st round pick.  Was mostly a failure with the Eagles.

Things the Eagles have done that worked.

1) Draft 1st round pick - starts immediately (Lane Johnson)
2) Expensive free agent - starts immediately (Jason Peters)
3) Day 3 pick on complete project - waits a while (Mailata)

Things the Eagles have done that didn't work .

1) Draft 1st round pick - does not start immediately (Dillard)

I think that the Eagles should do what worked,  instead of what didn't work.

we actually traded for Peters

2 hours ago, TEW said:

Prepare your disappointment to be fulfilled.

This is a great OT class that lacks playmakers on defense. So right off the bat we are more likely to have an OT as BPA.

We also need a starting RG this year and an heir to Lane Johnson for the future.

The eagles have not signed a free agent to start at OT in 24 years. We draft them to save money on the cap since OT is a very expensive position and rookies have fixed low cost contracts.

I'm prepared, just hoping for what I don't expect.  Kinda like the Flyers being good again.

Howie should go BPA, bad things have happened in the draft when he reaches for a position.

Now within a tier, and maneuvering around the draft, he can target positions, but never reach for a player because of need.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I think some people might be underestimating how much Lane likes playing football / being a football player. I don't think he's in a hurry to be done with working out and keeping in shape. Those are things he also enjoys. He's close to turning 34 and I can easily see him playing at 38 years old. When he gets to the point where he really starts considering retirement, he'll probably do the Kelce thing and decide to play a little longer a couple times. 

Not that he can’t change his mind but he said the extension he signed in 2023 he intends to be his last. I don’t get Kelce vibes from him at all. He seems more like a Brandon Brooks guy who will retire and move on to something else while being an advocate for mental health. 

It's easy to say before the draft that we need to be patient with prospects. Guys can sit a year or two. It's about the long term. Sure, sure. Now, pulse check: How do we feel right now about Nolan Smith, Jordan Davis, and Tyler Steen? 

17 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

EAGLES OFFENSIVE TACKLES - RECENT HISTORY

Lane has $18 Million+ for the next 3 years.  24, 25, 26.  Is also signed for 2027.

Lane started week 1 of his rookie year.

Lane started every game of his rookie year.  

No sitting and waiting.

Jason Peters was a udfa by the Bills,  became a pro bowler there,  and was signed by the Eagles as a full price starting Left Tackle. 

No sitting and waiting.

Mailata was drafted in the 7th round,   with no football experience whatsoever,  a complete and total project.   Sat and waited,  became great.

Dillard was drafted in the 1st round.   Wasn't a week 1 starter,  despite being a 1st round pick.  Was mostly a failure with the Eagles.

Things the Eagles have done that worked.

1) Draft 1st round pick - starts immediately (Lane Johnson)
2) Expensive free agent - starts immediately (Jason Peters)
3) Day 3 pick on complete project - waits a while (Mailata)

Things the Eagles have done that didn't work .

1) Draft 1st round pick - does not start immediately (Dillard)

I think that the Eagles should do what worked,  instead of what didn't work.

He’s not signed for 2027

One interesting thing Baldy said when he talked about Edgerrin Cooper is he talked about him like he's going to be an edge rusher in the NFL. I don't know if he was just doing rapid fire takes, but he said something like "Edgerrin Cooper, man... when you see this guy get after the QB it's really impressive to watch, reminds me of some of the NFL's elite pass rushers." I don't know if he meant that as an aside or if NFL teams view him as a guy who will be molded into a Micah Parsons type role. I've only heard people talk about him as an off ball LB to this point.

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

Exactly.  Lane has 1-3 years left and I'm guessing Howie thinks he has two offseasons to find the guy that will be the RT for the next decade.  He doesn't have to do it this year but then he'd be under pressure next year so if he finds an optimal way to get it done this year he will do it even if that means a guy sits for a year.  If the chips don't align right then Howie can bolster the DL instead or pick a CB if there is one he loves.

 

It also means he can afford to take a prospect who needs to be coached up because he has time. The ideal would be Latham of course, who would be a monster guard in the interim.