17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He’s not signed for 2027

Peters also was not signed he was traded for. 

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

McLane was on WIP and didn't really say much new but he again that the Eagles did not want Reddick back at his current cap numbers(and next year's) and wanted to restructure and actually wanted him to take a pay cut or at the very least come to a reasonable agreement where they could lower his cap number and they weren't able to make that happen.

McLane making more stuff up, I see.

1 hour ago, TEW said:

Look at the OG contracts getting handed out. I think they already are increasing in value.

The trick to me is you have to find someone who is overwhelming in the power run game with sheer strength and mass, but also has the movement skills to get to the edge and downfield — the prototype being a 6’4” 340 pound Shawn Andrews sort of player.

Andrews was beyond being a prototype. He and Larry Allen were probably the only guards I can recall who could just move a DT - any DT - one on one.

Latham is the closest to him.

16 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

we actually traded for Peters

 

ah.  did not know that.  was not paying attention back then.

Point is the same though.   Spend big money on proven pro bowl talent,   starts immediately,  works.

The Eagles have $18 Million set aside for Lane in 24, 25, 26,   and if Lane wants to retire before one of those seasons,  they can give that money to a proven pro bowl talent,  if that's the direction they want to go.

The Peters model,  the Lane model,  the Mailata model - all work.
The Dillard model did not work.

My preference is for the Mailata model,  which fits with the fact that the Eagles have no need at this point for a starting Tackle.

I'd rather have quality backups who were not costly,  great Mailata like backups,  who were coached by Stoutland to NFL quality,  than costly players like Dillard who are sitting around doing nothing until they leave.

2024 - day 3 hi ras athlete who didn't play OL in high school (Lane Johnson,  Mailata, Peters - 100% of the great Eagles Tackles did not play OL in HS - 1 didn't go to college and play football - one - Peters - was a Tight End in college - one started as QB in college, became TE, then OT)  
2025 - same thing
2026 - same thing

2027 - look and see how those hi ras athletes are doing.   If they're good enough,  go with one.   If not,  draft day 1 starter or FA day 1 starter.

None of the great Eagles OTs had much experience before the NFL at Offensive Line at all.  And those are the players I like the most - the versatile ones,  the ones who can do something else while waiting 3, 2, 1 years for Lane to retire.   QB, TE, rugby.  

50 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

we actually traded for Peters

Exactly. All Pro tackles don’t make it to the unrestricted free agent market. They get traded.

6 minutes ago, just relax said:

Andrews was beyond being a prototype. He and Larry Allen were probably the only guards I can recall who could just move a DT - any DT - one on one.

Latham is the closest to him.

Latham is fantastic, I just don’t think we have a chance at nabbing him. Seems to me he’ll probably go top 15.

36 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He’s not signed for 2027

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/lane-johnson-12284/

 

That's the spotrac,  which says he has a $1.5 Million base salary in 2027.   I don't know why it says that.

Option bonuses of $18+ Million in 24, 25, 26.

It is assumed that he'll retire in 2027,  like Jason Peters didn't.  Jason Peters has played 3 more years after the Eagles let him go.

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, TEW said:

Exactly. All Pro tackles don’t make it to the unrestricted free agent market. They get traded.

Ralph Wilson, who owned the Bills at the time, was cash poor and Peters wanted a raise. Remember, he was being paid udfa money and was worth so much more. That lowered Wilson’s asking price a lot, since he couldn’t afford what Peters wanted.

43 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

It's easy to say before the draft that we need to be patient with prospects. Guys can sit a year or two. It's about the long term. Sure, sure. Now, pulse check: How do we feel right now about Nolan Smith, Jordan Davis, and Tyler Steen? 

I feel fine.

I have a naturally low time preference. Nolan Smith and Tyler Steen we all knew needed a year or two to get up to speed. They were drafted on potential. Nothing has changed.

Jordan Davis is a great run defender. We all knew that was his floor. But he also has upside left that I’m more than willing to see develop.

7 minutes ago, TEW said:

Latham is fantastic, I just don’t think we have a chance at nabbing him. Seems to me he’ll probably go top 15.

Sad but true.

12 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/lane-johnson-12284/

 

That's the spotrac,  which says he has a $1.5 Million base salary in 2027.   I don't know why it says that.

Option bonuses of $18+ Million in 24, 25, 26.

It is assumed that he'll retire in 2027,  like Jason Peters didn't.  Jason Peters has played 3 more years after the Eagles let him go.

 

 

 

I do know why it says that. It’s only so he can be a Post June 1st in 2027 to split up dead money. It’s a Howie staple with every high priced vet. He was signed through 2025 and then signed a one year extension, so 2026 is his last year. 

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

We don’t have his jumps, probably for good reason, but he might be an all-time athlete from a movement perspective. 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

Latham is fantastic, I just don’t think we have a chance at nabbing him. Seems to me he’ll probably go top 15.

Looks like a damn good prospect at both OG and OT.  The question is would you trade #53 to go get him?

13 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Looks like a damn good prospect at both OG and OT.  The question is would you trade #53 to go get him?

The story goes that Howie refused to give up #53 to ATL in 2020 to trade up from #21 to 16 and grab CeeDee Lamb before the Turds drafted him.  It was the right decision at the time, given that he was trying to move up 200 points and ATL wanted 370 points in value (never mind that the Eagles drafted Hurts at #53).

I think Howie would give up #53 if it’s to get up to #13 or 14, for sure.  Already having two 2nd round picks, giving up one is a small price to pay if you feel you’re getting a top 10 talent who’s still on the board.

13 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Looks like a damn good prospect at both OG and OT.  The question is would you trade #53 to go get him?

Personally, nope. But it really depends on how they feel about Steen.

I agree that we need to get an OL somewhere in the first four rounds for depth/RG this year but it does not have to be Lane’s long-term replacement this year. 

Given the holes on D and general lack of playmakers, personally I’m only trading #53 for Q.Mitchell. Otherwise we can get a slightly lesser o-line prospect who will still be good given how deep this class is, along with 3 guys for the D / slot guy with those first 4 picks. 

36 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Looks like a damn good prospect at both OG and OT.  The question is would you trade #53 to go get him?

In a heartbeat.

A guy I wish I could find to watch is Corey Bullock. Hes a guard prospect with the size we like. 6'4'' 330lb

He played just one season at Maryland after transferring from North Carolina Central. He played 11 games at Maryland earning honorable all Big 10 and was 2nd highest rated pass blocking guard in the big 10. 

I cant find pro day results to find out about athleticism. But at his size, he was an excellent pass blocker.

At North Carolina Central he dominated with team high 14 pancake blocks and 9 knock downs. 

 

I really want to watch this guy. 

2 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

It's easy to say before the draft that we need to be patient with prospects. Guys can sit a year or two. It's about the long term. Sure, sure. Now, pulse check: How do we feel right now about Nolan Smith, Jordan Davis, and Tyler Steen? 

The jury is out on all three

Dillard was a sensible move at the time, it just didn’t work out. We knew Peters career was coming to an end, dealing with nagging injuries, and OT depth became a legit problem for us that season. It was clear we needed to grab a OT high that draft. 
 

a lot of those things with Peters are becoming similar with Lane, and could start to become more apparent. Sure Maybe it’s a year too soon to grab the OT high, but if Stoutland sees a guy in that bunch in 1st rd he feels he can mold into being a long term starter at OT, who am I to say no to that? We’ve enjoyed sustained success because of our strong OL, I’m all for keeping that continuity going. 
 

Can’t stress it enough, Mailata is a big time exception here. Him panning out the way he has is nothing short of amazing & almost a miracle. That normally doesn’t work. You can’t bank on a late round or UDFA being the next OT of the future, but it’s way easier to do that on a top 50 draft pick. 

3 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

It's easy to say before the draft that we need to be patient with prospects. Guys can sit a year or two. It's about the long term. Sure, sure. Now, pulse check: How do we feel right now about Nolan Smith, Jordan Davis, and Tyler Steen? 

Jordan Davis really needs to show something this year, if he doesn’t take that step forward we might draft a DT high next draft. He’s not getting a pass from me anymore on patience, it’s time to show out. 
 

Nolan Smith I’d like to see more of what he can do. I’m still patient with him. Reddick is gone so he should get more playing time & we can see his impact in games. Hopefully he doesn’t lose snaps to Huff. 
 

Steen my hope is he wins the RG spot & proves to be a capable starter. If he doesn’t & becomes the depth swing tackle/guard depth, it’ll be disappointing especially for a high 3rd rd pick. However, if Eagles do draft a 1st rd or 2nd rd OL that wins the RG spot over Steen, I will be less disappointed about it

 

1 hour ago, Cliftoma said:

Looks like a damn good prospect at both OG and OT.  The question is would you trade #53 to go get him?

I wouldn’t, personally. He’s a damn good prospect, yes, but I’m not sure I view him as a potential generational player. As JR mentioned, Shawn Andrews had Larry Allen type ability as an inline blocker. Thats the type of prospect I’d move up to get without hesitation. While Latham

For me the better value is Suamataia even if you take him at 22, which I know some people object to since he is a bit of a project.

But I think Suamataia is a pro bowler by year 3, he should be available at 22, maybe even in the 30’s if you trade back a bit or make a big jump up with one of our second rounders.

It also leverages our biggest competitive advantage in player development, which is Stoutland.

I just think of it as an opportunity cost — is Latham that much better than Suamataia over the course of their careers that you give up whoever would be available at #53? There should be some fantastic WR prospects still available. We should be able to get one of the top MLB. Some good DBs will be up for grabs as well.

I wouldn’t fault the Eagles if they did move up, but, my thinking is we are going to have to take some risks to win a Super Bowl, and two picks with one leaning on Stoutland’s skills and the other addressing a hole in the defense or putting our receiver corps over the top is better than one more certain pick leveraging Stoutland’s skills.

3 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

It's easy to say before the draft that we need to be patient with prospects. Guys can sit a year or two. It's about the long term. Sure, sure. Now, pulse check: How do we feel right now about Nolan Smith, Jordan Davis, and Tyler Steen? 

Nolan Smith:  unsure, but more good than bad

Jordan Davis:  I’m not as down on him as some seem to be.  Conditioning needs to be consistent, but he’s been solid imo

Tyler Steen:  unsure, but reasonably confident he can be used as a swing LT or G at need

3 hours ago, TEW said:

Latham is fantastic, I just don’t think we have a chance at nabbing him. Seems to me he’ll probably go top 15.

Eagles have the capital to move up to 15. That would not be the issue… The issue would be a willing trade partner.

@Joe Ball 

How are you feeling about Jerry's "all in" offseason? How do you feel about the situation with Dak?

 

 

3 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

 

ah.  did not know that.  was not paying attention back then.

Point is the same though.   Spend big money on proven pro bowl talent,   starts immediately,  works.

The Eagles have $18 Million set aside for Lane in 24, 25, 26,   and if Lane wants to retire before one of those seasons,  they can give that money to a proven pro bowl talent,  if that's the direction they want to go.

The Peters model,  the Lane model,  the Mailata model - all work.
The Dillard model did not work.

My preference is for the Mailata model,  which fits with the fact that the Eagles have no need at this point for a starting Tackle.

I'd rather have quality backups who were not costly,  great Mailata like backups,  who were coached by Stoutland to NFL quality,  than costly players like Dillard who are sitting around doing nothing until they leave.

2024 - day 3 hi ras athlete who didn't play OL in high school (Lane Johnson,  Mailata, Peters - 100% of the great Eagles Tackles did not play OL in HS - 1 didn't go to college and play football - one - Peters - was a Tight End in college - one started as QB in college, became TE, then OT)  
2025 - same thing
2026 - same thing

2027 - look and see how those hi ras athletes are doing.   If they're good enough,  go with one.   If not,  draft day 1 starter or FA day 1 starter.

None of the great Eagles OTs had much experience before the NFL at Offensive Line at all.  And those are the players I like the most - the versatile ones,  the ones who can do something else while waiting 3, 2, 1 years for Lane to retire.   QB, TE, rugby.  

The way I look at it, when you already have starters that are unlikely to be unseated anytime soon, you don't need to draft an OT in round 1. If your plan is to groom a player to eventually replace him, you might as well attempt to develop an unpolished player with potential. Either way, you're not getting much production during the rookie contract phase. So if your plan is to use a 1st on a tackle, just wait until there's a need and work out a trade for a proven good one you like. 

It doesn't bother me at all to draft a pure OG in round 1 since we currently have an opening. Dickerson was a 1st round talent that fell to round 2  because of his injury. I'd have no problem drafting a guy with that talent (and no injury concern) at #22.

BPA is an alright strategy when your team has no needs. But it's better to trade down than load up at a position where your starters are locks. Even trading for a future (a later season) draft pick is better than creating a positional logjam through BPA.