2 minutes ago, McMVP said:

Sorry, but this is ridiculous.  Yes they traded for Peters, but only because Buffalo was dumb enough to want to part with him at such a young age and ability - they didn't see his potential.  I'm sure they regretted it long term looking back.  

Well yes, you can draft a Lane - but not just anywhere in the draft.  This discussion is discussing the Eagles tendency to prioritize the OT position and the likelihood they will continue down this path and value the position highly, and be willing to trade up to acquire a guy that can be the next 10-12 year staple bookend.  

You can't trade for this sort of player unless you get lucky again, which is highly unlikely.  You can draft this player, but not on day 3 and likely not day 2.  I'm not sure what you're missing here.  I'm beginning to feel you think the improbable scenario is a common occurrence.  

The Bills coaches knew what they had — the owner was just a cheap SOB and wasn’t willing to pay him.

12 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Teams use players who are moving from another position who are great athletes maybe just learning football as blocking TEs.  His eventual position would be OL,  but teams use players like that as extra blockers.  Lane in college was a TE before OL.  Tylan Grable,  like Lane, also went QB, TE, OL.   Clayton is unlikely to make the 53, at this point needing to learn football, having never played it, and also being light and not strong enough yet.  But,  if he's on practice squad and lifting weighwts,  some year he'll make the 53 and be a blocking TE then.   What he's actually done doesn't really have much to do with OL,  but is closer to TE.  Rugby, Tennis.   There are 5 starting OL positions and 1 part time blocking TE position, you don't really want to keep a possible OL there for a long time,   but blocking from the skill position was a weakness last year.   Tylan Grable can do that,   already was a blocking TE in college.

You are talking about a guy with ZERO football experience. He’s not like an American athlete who played basketball his whole life but generally knows the rules and concepts of the NFL — Clayton knows NOTHING. He doesn’t know the rules, he doesn’t know the strategies, he doesn’t know the tactics, he doesn’t know the techniques, he doesn’t even know the vocabulary. 

You don’t complicate things by having him play multiple positions. That can only hurt him.

What you do is have him learn exactly one position. Not "offensive line.” Not even "offensive tackle.” You say, "you are going to learn right tackle, and that’s all we expect you to do for the next 4 years of your life.”

 

Weighed 250 going into college and 360 now. 

 

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

Last year,  all teams are improved by the draft.   Some more than others,  but no way that adding 8 players,  or more,  also including udfa,  isn't going to improve the roster.  The Eagles roster will be better May 10 - after the draft - than April 20 - before the draft.  Guaranteed!

They won’t 

Interesting list, FA QBs after this year:

 

• Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys (UFA)
• Jared Goff, Detroit Lions (UFA)
• Jordan Love, Green Bay Packers (UFA)
• Trevor Lawrence, Jacksonville Jaguars (UFA)
• Tua Tagovailoa, Miami Dolphins (UFA)
• Justin Fields, Chicago Bears (club option)
• Mac Jones, New England Patriots (club option)
• Zach Wilson, New York Jets (club option)
• Trey Lance, Dallas Cowboys (club option)

Lawrence will at least get his fifth year option, but potentially it could be a crazy offseason 

I’m more and more on board with Mims at the guy. I think we even move up for him, he fits the offensive line philosophy so well

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Interesting list, FA QBs after this year:

 

• Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys (UFA)
• Jared Goff, Detroit Lions (UFA)
• Jordan Love, Green Bay Packers (UFA)
• Trevor Lawrence, Jacksonville Jaguars (UFA)
• Tua Tagovailoa, Miami Dolphins (UFA)
• Justin Fields, Chicago Bears (club option)
• Mac Jones, New England Patriots (club option)
• Zach Wilson, New York Jets (club option)
• Trey Lance, Dallas Cowboys (club option)

Lawrence will at least get his fifth year option, but potentially it could be a crazy offseason 

I expect Love, Lawrence, Goff, and Tua to get a new deal with the teams they are currently on. Green Bay might be smart to sign Love now before he takes another leap this year, money for an ascending player that eventually looks like a bargain deal. 
 

Fields/Wilson/Jones/Lance are on backup QB trajectory for rest of their careers. The kind of guys in 5-6 years you’ll say "oh I didn’t realize that guy was still in the league. Fields being the exception, he might still find starting time. Russel Wilson is a FA too right? That’ll be an interesting one. 
 

The real curious one is Dak. Perfectly fine regular season QB that always comes up short in the postseason, it’s clear at this point he’s not good enough to get Cowboys past the divisional round. How long will Jerry be willing to put up with that? If it’s another season with Dak like we’ve seen before I’m curious if Cowboys make the move for a new QB next year. 

2 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I expect Love, Lawrence, Goff, and Tua to get a new deal with the teams they are currently on. Green Bay might be smart to sign Love now before he takes another leap this year, money for an ascending player that eventually looks like a bargain deal. 
 

Fields/Wilson/Jones/Lance are on backup QB trajectory for rest of their careers. The kind of guys in 5-6 years you’ll say "oh I didn’t realize that guy was still in the league. Fields being the exception, he might still find starting time. Russel Wilson is a FA too right? That’ll be an interesting one. 
 

The real curious one is Dak. Perfectly fine regular season QB that always comes up short in the postseason, it’s clear at this point he’s not good enough to get Cowboys past the divisional round. How long will Jerry be willing to put up with that? If it’s another season with Dak like we’ve seen before I’m curious if Cowboys make the move for a new QB next year. 

I think Tua is a wild card. I could maybe see them going after Dak or Herbert* depending on how this season goes

28 minutes ago, TEW said:

You are talking about a guy with ZERO football experience. He’s not like an American athlete who played basketball his whole life but generally knows the rules and concepts of the NFL — Clayton knows NOTHING. He doesn’t know the rules, he doesn’t know the strategies, he doesn’t know the tactics, he doesn’t know the techniques, he doesn’t even know the vocabulary. 

You don’t complicate things by having him play multiple positions. That can only hurt him.

What you do is have him learn exactly one position. Not "offensive line.” Not even "offensive tackle.” You say, "you are going to learn right tackle, and that’s all we expect you to do for the next 4 years of your life.”

maybe, maybe not

4 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I think Tua is a wild card. I could maybe see them going after Dak or Herbert* depending on how this season goes

Tua is a wild card you’re right, concussion history will come into play there too. But I think with Diggs out of AFC East, Miami has the leg up on Buffalo now. I’m unsure if they’d take a gamble at QB since they’re in drivers seat in that division but if opportunity is there for Herbert or Dak, they’d definitely take one of them over Tua. 

1 minute ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Tua is a wild card you’re right, concussion history will come into play there too. But I think with Diggs out of AFC East, Miami has the leg up on Buffalo now. I’m unsure if they’d take a gamble at QB since they’re in drivers seat in that division but if opportunity is there for Herbert or Dak, they’d definitely take one of them over Tua. 

I wish they would take Dak because he's a huge choker. 

13 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I’m more and more on board with Mims at the guy. I think we even move up for him, he fits the offensive line philosophy so well

22 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

They won’t 

how is this?  It's automatic that the roster improves when you add players to it.   There could be some rare circumstances that I can't think of where it doesn't.  

We're not comparing this year to last year.  We're comparing the roster without 8-20 new players to the roster with 8-20 new players.  The one with more players is better.   The Eagles won't be removing players with the draft,  the ones they currently have will stay. 

It could be that the 53 in September is worse, because of the addition of draft picks replacing players who are better, but I put in 2 dates, and the changes there are additions of new players,  don't see how any team isn't getting better from the draft. 

2 hours ago, Cliftoma said:

Hurts on the Bird Taurasi broadcast

Hopefully those girls gave him some pointers on the finer points of QB play.

The athleticism doesnt shot up on tape for that Manu guy at all. 

I have no idea if he will ever figure out how to put it on a football field or not. Could be the scheme not asking him to get on the move much. But his technique, is non-existent as well.

He has a long way to go. I wont complain if the eagles sign him as a UDFA. But I wont be excited about it either. 

Kinda curious on something draft related I don’t feel that’s been discussed that centers around our rivals & not us, what players do you not want the Cowboys/Giants/Commanders to draft? 
 

I hope we keep Nabers/Odunze/MHJ out of the division, I’m worried NYG will land one of those 3. I don’t want Washington to get Maye, I think he’ll be way better than Daniels & that Daniels greatly benefited from two NFL talents at WR. I reaaaaally don’t want the Cowboys to get Powers-Johnson, him & Tyler Smith will be a nasty duo on their IOL. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He was talking about Watters.  Watters earned his ring, Shady did not, which is why he put Watters ahead of Shady for the HoF.

OK. I am easily confused. Even looking back on the post I responded to I remain confused. In any case, Watters yes, Shady no.

41 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Interesting list, FA QBs after this year:

 

• Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys (UFA)
• Jared Goff, Detroit Lions (UFA)
• Jordan Love, Green Bay Packers (UFA)
• Trevor Lawrence, Jacksonville Jaguars (UFA)
• Tua Tagovailoa, Miami Dolphins (UFA)
• Justin Fields, Chicago Bears (club option)
• Mac Jones, New England Patriots (club option)
• Zach Wilson, New York Jets (club option)
• Trey Lance, Dallas Cowboys (club option)

Lawrence will at least get his fifth year option, but potentially it could be a crazy offseason 

 

Only ones that will see FA are Goff, Fields, Jones, Wilson and Lance.  

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

The athleticism doesnt shot up on tape for that Manu guy at all. 

I have no idea if he will ever figure out how to put it on a football field or not. Could be the scheme not asking him to get on the move much. But his technique, is non-existent as well.

He has a long way to go. I wont complain if the eagles sign him as a UDFA. But I wont be excited about it either. 

Agreed. Actually watching him play is unimpressive. As big and as athletic as he is, and as poor as the competition he is playing, Manu should be putting 2 people into the dirt on every play.

That said, just about every team in the NFL has scouted him so there is something there that at least intrigues NFL teams.

1 hour ago, Dwide Schrude said:

Kinda curious on something draft related I don’t feel that’s been discussed that centers around our rivals & not us, what players do you not want the Cowboys/Giants/Commanders to draft? 
 

I hope we keep Nabers/Odunze/MHJ out of the division, I’m worried NYG will land one of those 3. I don’t want Washington to get Maye, I think he’ll be way better than Daniels & that Daniels greatly benefited from two NFL talents at WR. I reaaaaally don’t want the Cowboys to get Powers-Johnson, him & Tyler Smith will be a nasty duo on their IOL. 

Agreed on your "do not want” picks. I also don’t want the cowboys to land Chop Robinson, because you just know all of his potential would be realized just to spite us.

Sheil and EJ Smith were not as high on JC Latham for the Eagles. They don't think he fits the profile of what the Eagles want in OL. Both had the opinion that he's a big strong lumbering type of OL that when he gets his hands on you he can control you, but really lacks the athleticism the Eagles like in an OT.

8 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Sheil and EJ Smith were not as high on JC Latham for the Eagles. They don't think he fits the profile of what the Eagles want in OL. Both had the opinion that he's a big strong lumbering type of OL that when he gets his hands on you he can control you, but really lacks the athleticism the Eagles like in an OT.

He'll fit their guard profile, but agree that he likely doesn't fit their OT profile. 

1 hour ago, Random Reglar said:

how is this?  It's automatic that the roster improves when you add players to it.   There could be some rare circumstances that I can't think of where it doesn't.  

We're not comparing this year to last year.  We're comparing the roster without 8-20 new players to the roster with 8-20 new players.  The one with more players is better.   The Eagles won't be removing players with the draft,  the ones they currently have will stay. 

It could be that the 53 in September is worse, because of the addition of draft picks replacing players who are better, but I put in 2 dates, and the changes there are additions of new players,  don't see how any team isn't getting better from the draft. 

There are 31 other teams that are automatically improving their roster through the draft then.  Most of them are picking higher than we are.  So how does that work?  Does every team in the NFL just automatically get better every year?

The Eagles haven't had a defensive player drafted outside of the top 15 offer consistent upgrade in the lineup as a rookie in...what...20 years?  Ever?

Baring a draft day blockbuster for a vet, the core contributors are already here.  Just as everyone says you can't bash a player for sucking as a rookie, you can't bank on a draft pick to make a team better as a rookie.  The Eagles will NOT be that much better in 2024 because of their rookie draft class.  They never are.

Just now, eagle45 said:

The Eagles haven't had a player drafted outside of the top 15 offer consistent upgrade in the lineup as a rookie in...what...20 years?  Ever?

DeSean Jackson erasure. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

DeSean Jackson erasure. 

Desean counts for sure...I edited my post for defense, which was the discussion that led to the draft talk.  Also...Desean is starting to push 20 years.

Sheil and EJ Smith love Fashanu, Mims, and Fautanu

Were not as high on Fuaga. Think he might project as more of a guard. EJ Smith said he was at the senior bowl and Guyton was far and away the better player of the two at the senior bowl.

They really like Guyton's potential, but admit they think he's rough around the edges. But again, noted he dominated the senior bowl.

EJ Smith mentioned his wife has bigger hands than Fashanu and his wife has normal sized hands. Said he was blown away by how small Fashanu's hands are. Doesn't know if that matters for OL though as much as arm length.