1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Desean counts for sure...I edited my post for defense, which was the discussion that led to the draft talk.  Also...Desean is starting to push 20 years.

On defense...

- Jordan Hicks (legitimately good starter pre injury)
- Avonte Maddox (saved our season on D that year)
- Brandon Boykin (solid slot CB)
- Jalen Mills (immediate starter. was average, but that's great for a 7th round rookie)
- Beau Allen & Bennie Logan (rotational run-stuffer)

There are no home runs on defense...but getting a starting LB and slot CB outside of day 1 is very much possible. 

2 hours ago, TEW said:

The Bills coaches knew what they had — the owner was just a cheap SOB and wasn’t willing to pay him.

Could be…I don’t recall the details.  I only recall us being lucky

Sheil loves Nate Wiggins. Said he thinks his tape showed an elite cover corner. He said when breaking down his games WRs just couldn't shake him. He said people told him "Wait til you study him in run support, you'll start to see his flaws" but Sheil said he doesn't care, give me a guy who can blanket WRs and figure out the other stuff later.

Wiggins is the one guy I haven't seen a lot of, of the CBs in this draft. Sounds like he's not just a straight line speed guy and can actually cover really well.

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

On defense...

- Jordan Hicks (legitimately good starter pre injury)
- Avonte Maddox (saved our season on D that year)
- Brandon Boykin (solid slot CB)
- Jalen Mills (immediate starter. was average, but that's great for a 7th round rookie)
- Beau Allen & Bennie Logan (rotational run-stuffer)

There are no home runs on defense...but getting a starting LB and slot CB outside of day 1 is very much possible. 

Eeeh.  Some of these guys stepped in and played admirably as fill ins or rotational rookies....but I wouldn't call any of them lineup upgrades that improved the team.  If that's the 20 year all time hit list, that proves the point that the defensive personnel mostly is what it is.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Sheil loves Nate Wiggins. Said he thinks his tape showed an elite cover corner. He said when breaking down his games WRs just couldn't shake him. He said people told him "Wait til you study him in run support, you'll start to see his flaws" but Sheil said he doesn't care, give me a guy who can blanket WRs and figure out the other stuff later.

Wiggins is the one guy I haven't seen a lot of, of the CBs in this draft. Sounds like he's not just a straight line speed guy and can actually cover really well.

A CB who is above average in coverage but tackles like Asante Samuel would be a welcomed addition to this defense.

21 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

There are 31 other teams that are automatically improving their roster through the draft then.  Most of them are picking higher than we are.  So how does that work?  Does every team in the NFL just automatically get better every year?

The Eagles haven't had a defensive player drafted outside of the top 15 offer consistent upgrade in the lineup as a rookie in...what...20 years?  Ever?

Baring a draft day blockbuster for a vet, the core contributors are already here.  Just as everyone says you can't bash a player for sucking as a rookie, you can't bank on a draft pick to make a team better as a rookie.  The Eagles will NOT be that much better in 2024 because of their rookie draft class.  They never are.

This seems by design, for whatever reason. The Eagles do not play rookies unless if they absolutely have to. Players can get in on the rotation on the DL and they'll see playing time at the skill positions on offense but that's about it.

47 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Sheil loves Nate Wiggins. Said he thinks his tape showed an elite cover corner. He said when breaking down his games WRs just couldn't shake him. He said people told him "Wait til you study him in run support, you'll start to see his flaws" but Sheil said he doesn't care, give me a guy who can blanket WRs and figure out the other stuff later.

Wiggins is the one guy I haven't seen a lot of, of the CBs in this draft. Sounds like he's not just a straight line speed guy and can actually cover really well.

Correct.  Stays right on the WRs hip like a prime Slay. With 4.2 speed. Quite similar to DRC.

45 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

A CB who is above average in coverage but tackles like Asante Samuel would be a welcomed addition to this defense.

He's better than Asante tackling. He has some big hits on his highlight reel.  He may not make a living going down in run sport.  He's more opportunistic.  He's not like Samuel who purposely ran away from the ball. Wiggins is slight,  but will bring wood sometimes. 

Maxey currently with 52 points with the Sixers in double OT.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Sheil loves Nate Wiggins. Said he thinks his tape showed an elite cover corner. He said when breaking down his games WRs just couldn't shake him. He said people told him "Wait til you study him in run support, you'll start to see his flaws" but Sheil said he doesn't care, give me a guy who can blanket WRs and figure out the other stuff later.

Wiggins is the one guy I haven't seen a lot of, of the CBs in this draft. Sounds like he's not just a straight line speed guy and can actually cover really well.

He does look so smooth. I hadn't seen him play until recently and I was really surprised how much I liked him. Only thing I was worried about is his frame holding up in the NFL. Dude looks like he has about a 24 inch waist. 

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Maxey currently with 52 points with the Sixers in double OT.

What a game. Oubre has been great for us. 

My very untrained eye had a look at a few of the OL prospects, especially OT.  Just on first look, here are my impressions:

Olu Fashanu — wasn’t particularly impressed at all.  He gets walked back too far in pass protection.  He’s a good run blocker, but doesn’t look nearly as good in pass pro.

Joe Alt — very polished prospect with lots of physical tools.  No surprise he’s slated to go early.  Reaches a bit on some of his reps, but when you’re 6’8+ you can do that

JC Latham — looked really steady and solid to me.  Really good technical OL.  He could play G or T in the NFL pretty early

Taliese Fuaga — a bit raw, but I like his physical tools a lot.  Quite a few reps where he’s punishing people.  He’d be an interesting choice

Troy Fautanu — he looks a bit awkward, but gets the job done.  Not sure his upside would be as high as some others, but he’s serviceable at the very least

Tyler Guyton — I was pleasantly surprised, somewhat.  He looks solid for the most part.  Not as exciting as Latham, but he moves better than I expected and I wouldn’t be unhappy with him as a pick.

5 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Eeeh.  Some of these guys stepped in and played admirably as fill ins or rotational rookies....but I wouldn't call any of them lineup upgrades that improved the team.  If that's the 20 year all time hit list, that proves the point that the defensive personnel mostly is what it is.

Yea I asked a similar question a couple weeks ago but just in regard to the back 7. They haven't drafted a true difference maker in the back 7 in over 20 years.

58 minutes ago, devpool said:

Yea I asked a similar question a couple weeks ago but just in regard to the back 7. They haven't drafted a true difference maker in the back 7 in over 20 years.

A homegrown LB or CB who becomes a difference maker would become so beloved in Philly 

12 hours ago, Random Reglar said:

Grable is Lane.
Manu is Mailata.

Both day 3.

Amazing! You should be our GM.

DeJean and Boyd work out today. 

And maybe Justin Simmons signing. 

11 hours ago, just relax said:

OK. I am easily confused. Even looking back on the post I responded to I remain confused. In any case, Watters yes, Shady no.

That's because the poster used 'he' to refer to both Shady and Watters, but it was clear to me from the context about the ring, that after mentioning Watters' name, Watters became the new referent of 'he' for the remainder of the statement. 

10 hours ago, eagle45 said:

There are 31 other teams that are automatically improving their roster through the draft then.  Most of them are picking higher than we are.  So how does that work?  Does every team in the NFL just automatically get better every year?

The Eagles haven't had a defensive player drafted outside of the top 15 offer consistent upgrade in the lineup as a rookie in...what...20 years?  Ever?

Baring a draft day blockbuster for a vet, the core contributors are already here.  Just as everyone says you can't bash a player for sucking as a rookie, you can't bank on a draft pick to make a team better as a rookie.  The Eagles will NOT be that much better in 2024 because of their rookie draft class.  They never are.

Certainly not ever... but under Howie's watch... yes.  That would be accurate.

Really need Cooper DeJean to crush his workout to give us another top-tier option at 22🙏

3 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

A homegrown LB or CB who becomes a difference maker would become so beloved in Philly 

A few nuggets from Reubs latest 10 Observations (which he did 20) and he brought up some things we've all been going back and forth on lately. Howie's terrible at drafting the back 7 and he's also really crapped the bed in the 3rd round, a round that should be producing starters. Howie needs to be better.

5. Dave Zangaro and I were having some fun putting together a Howie Roseman all-time draft team on a recent Eagle Eye podcast, and some positions were really strong – offensive line is loaded; Zach Ertz and Dallas Goedert at tight end; Nick Foles, Carson Wentz and Jalen Hurts at quarterback; Fletcher Cox and Jalen Carter at defensive tackle; Brandon Graham and Josh Sweat at edge. Other positions? Not so much At linebacker, the best you can come up with is Mychal Kendricks and Nate Gerry. At safety it’s Kurt Coleman and Nate Allen. At outside corner it’s Jalen Mills and Rasul Douglas. And if you’re going three wides, who are you going to pick other than DeVonta Smith? It’s gotta be Jordan Matthews and Riley Cooper or Quez Watkins. Howie has become a tremendous general manager, but there are some definite holes in his game when it comes to drafting. I mean, Nate Gerry? 

12. Over the last 20 years, the Eagles have drafted Billy McMullen, Matt Ware, Ryan Moats, Chris Gocong, Tony Hunt, Stewart Bradley, Daniel Te’o-Nesheim, Curtis Marsh, Josh Huff and Davion Taylor in the third round. The only regular starters the Eagles have found with their 19 3^rd-round picks over the last two decades are Bennie Logan, Jordan Hicks and Isaac Seumalo. Only one of the Eagles’ 3^rd-round picks over the last 20 years has made a Pro Bowl, and that’s Nick Foles in 2013.  The Eagles’ last defensive Pro Bowl drafted in the third round is Jeremiah Trotter, drafted 26 years ago. The Eagles’ last 18 3^rd-round picks have started a combined 305 games, an average of 16.1 games per pick. One – 2008 pick Bryan Smith – never got on the field for the Eagles.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

A few nuggets from Reubs latest 10 Observations (which he did 20) and he brought up some things we've all been going back and forth on lately. Howie's terrible at drafting the back 7 and he's also really crapped the bed in the 3rd round, a round that should be producing starters. Howie needs to be better.

5. Dave Zangaro and I were having some fun putting together a Howie Roseman all-time draft team on a recent Eagle Eye podcast, and some positions were really strong – offensive line is loaded; Zach Ertz and Dallas Goedert at tight end; Nick Foles, Carson Wentz and Jalen Hurts at quarterback; Fletcher Cox and Jalen Carter at defensive tackle; Brandon Graham and Josh Sweat at edge. Other positions? Not so much At linebacker, the best you can come up with is Mychal Kendricks and Nate Gerry. At safety it’s Kurt Coleman and Nate Allen. At outside corner it’s Jalen Mills and Rasul Douglas. And if you’re going three wides, who are you going to pick other than DeVonta Smith? It’s gotta be Jordan Matthews and Riley Cooper or Quez Watkins. Howie has become a tremendous general manager, but there are some definite holes in his game when it comes to drafting. I mean, Nate Gerry? 

12. Over the last 20 years, the Eagles have drafted Billy McMullen, Matt Ware, Ryan Moats, Chris Gocong, Tony Hunt, Stewart Bradley, Daniel Te’o-Nesheim, Curtis Marsh, Josh Huff and Davion Taylor in the third round. The only regular starters the Eagles have found with their 19 3^rd-round picks over the last two decades are Bennie Logan, Jordan Hicks and Isaac Seumalo. Only one of the Eagles’ 3^rd-round picks over the last 20 years has made a Pro Bowl, and that’s Nick Foles in 2013.  The Eagles’ last defensive Pro Bowl drafted in the third round is Jeremiah Trotter, drafted 26 years ago. The Eagles’ last 18 3^rd-round picks have started a combined 305 games, an average of 16.1 games per pick. One – 2008 pick Bryan Smith – never got on the field for the Eagles.

Reub at it again. Who's gonna tell him if he does this with the rest of the 31 teams he'll see similar results? Especially with 3rd rounders :)

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

Really need Cooper DeJean to crush his workout to give us another top-tier option at 22🙏

How does this workout really impact his play on the field?   Either he's a player or he's not.   He could fall down in the middle of the 40, and it wouldn't mean jack about his ability.

 

 

Very good article on the types of players that hit free agency - https://sumersports.com/the-zone/what-types-of-players-actually-hit-free-agency/

 

5 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

A homegrown LB or CB who becomes a difference maker would become so beloved in Philly 

A lot of people didn't appreciate TJ Edwards until he left. The same people are seemingly unwilling to give Dean the same chance.

It sometimes takes a few seasons for a player to fully develop. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

A few nuggets from Reubs latest 10 Observations (which he did 20) and he brought up some things we've all been going back and forth on lately. Howie's terrible at drafting the back 7 and he's also really crapped the bed in the 3rd round, a round that should be producing starters. Howie needs to be better.

5. Dave Zangaro and I were having some fun putting together a Howie Roseman all-time draft team on a recent Eagle Eye podcast, and some positions were really strong – offensive line is loaded; Zach Ertz and Dallas Goedert at tight end; Nick Foles, Carson Wentz and Jalen Hurts at quarterback; Fletcher Cox and Jalen Carter at defensive tackle; Brandon Graham and Josh Sweat at edge. Other positions? Not so much At linebacker, the best you can come up with is Mychal Kendricks and Nate Gerry. At safety it’s Kurt Coleman and Nate Allen. At outside corner it’s Jalen Mills and Rasul Douglas. And if you’re going three wides, who are you going to pick other than DeVonta Smith? It’s gotta be Jordan Matthews and Riley Cooper or Quez Watkins. Howie has become a tremendous general manager, but there are some definite holes in his game when it comes to drafting. I mean, Nate Gerry? 

12. Over the last 20 years, the Eagles have drafted Billy McMullen, Matt Ware, Ryan Moats, Chris Gocong, Tony Hunt, Stewart Bradley, Daniel Te’o-Nesheim, Curtis Marsh, Josh Huff and Davion Taylor in the third round. The only regular starters the Eagles have found with their 19 3^rd-round picks over the last two decades are Bennie Logan, Jordan Hicks and Isaac Seumalo. Only one of the Eagles’ 3^rd-round picks over the last 20 years has made a Pro Bowl, and that’s Nick Foles in 2013.  The Eagles’ last defensive Pro Bowl drafted in the third round is Jeremiah Trotter, drafted 26 years ago. The Eagles’ last 18 3^rd-round picks have started a combined 305 games, an average of 16.1 games per pick. One – 2008 pick Bryan Smith – never got on the field for the Eagles.

Jordan Hicks is a hell of a lot better than Nate Gerry

The only other safety the Eagles have even drafted in the first four rounds is K’Von Wallace.  They almost never draft safety.  Nate Allen was such a terrible player it completely scared them away from the position.