7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

We’ve spent a lot of first round picks on defense in the last few years and have the worst defense in the nfl to show for it.

 

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We’ve used 2 in the last 6 drafts and 3 in the last 9.

Jalen Sundell is an interesting player for North Dakota State. He played center and OT. He is athletic. 6'5'' 301lb. So so you keep him as a smaller center? Add some weight and put him at guard or tackle? His arms might be slightly short for OT at 33 1/8''. Hes a guy with center to tackle versatility. Another one of those 6th year players in this year's class. Likely a very late pick. Probably want him somewhere along the interior unless he has to play OT in a pinch. 

@just relax let us know what you think.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

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We’ve used 2 in the last 6 drafts and 3 in the last 9.

There's 3 in the last 2 drafts. 

13 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

In that case would rather take Sainristil later.

Seriously?

Slot receivers generally lead their team in targets, and on top of that the slot corner is an integral player in the run game.

DeJean has legitimate pro bowl type upside as a slot corner/safety hybrid. He can be an impact player in that role.

While I'd like to see us go CB in round 1 if DeJean, Wiggins or Kool-Aid are there, I'm becoming more and more convinced we are going OL. The CB room is already crowded. Here's how I see it:

Roster locks: Slay and Ringo -- 0.0% chance either gets cut

Damn near lock: Rodgers

2 Slots are going to make it: Maddox, McPhearson or Hall - 2 will make it. If we drafted someone who could play the slot, then they could slip in here.

So that's 5, and we haven't dealt with special teams, where Jobe is important. Bradberry, Ricks, Garner...how many CBs are we keeping? 6? 7?

I expect Fangio to have a big imprint on this draft

On 4/6/2024 at 7:41 PM, Aerolithe_Lion said:

As the league evolves and multipurpose backs become more and more appreciated, I believe Shady eventually gets in

So what you are saying is Lesean McCoy = Bust?

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There's 3 in the last 2 drafts. 

Ah, true — forgot about Smith.

Still, the is idea that we’ve spent a lot of valuable resources on the defense and have nothing to show for it is strange to me.

Carter and Davis are good starters. Smith was a late first and just finished his rookie year. All of these guys are young. In 3 years if they stink then i could see the complaints, but as of now I like the trajectory.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Seriously?

Slot receivers generally lead their team in targets, and on top of that the slot corner is an integral player in the run game.

DeJean has legitimate pro bowl type upside as a slot corner/safety hybrid. He can be an impact player in that role.

Sainristil does too. The guy is a stud. Has a chance to be an elite slot corner.

But it's about positional value. Outside corners are just valued more. I'm not spending a first rounder on a guy if he can't be a shutdown outside corner. Not saying DeJean can't be that, but if the Eagles don't think he will, I'd be pretty annoyed if that's what they spent a first rounder on.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

While I'd like to see us go CB in round 1 if DeJean, Wiggins or Kool-Aid are there, I'm becoming more and more convinced we are going OL. The CB room is already crowded. Here's how I see it:

Roster locks: Slay and Ringo -- 0.0% chance either gets cut

Damn near lock: Rodgers

2 Slots are going to make it: Maddox, McPhearson or Hall - 2 will make it. If we drafted someone who could play the slot, then they could slip in here.

So that's 5, and we haven't dealt with special teams, where Jobe is important. Bradberry, Ricks, Garner...how many CBs are we keeping? 6? 7?

Yeah, I think they like Ricks a lot. And the other thing is you have to find minutes for Ringo and Ricks to actually develop.

I think this is why DeJean makes sense because you can draft him and find minutes for him outside, in the slot and at safety.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Sainristil does too. The guy is a stud. Has a chance to be an elite slot corner.

But it's about positional value. Outside corners are just valued more. I'm not spending a first rounder on a guy if he can't be a shutdown outside corner. Not saying DeJean can't be that, but if the Eagles don't think he will, I'd be pretty annoyed if that's what they spent a first rounder on.

He's pretty small, almost 20 pounds lighter than DeJean.

Boundary corners tend to get more money, so I understand the arbitrage argument, but from an impact perspective I’m not sure a boundary corner has as much influence on the game as a slot corner.

4 minutes ago, TEW said:

Ah, true — forgot about Smith.

Still, the is idea that we’ve spent a lot of valuable resources on the defense and have nothing to show for it is strange to me.

Carter and Davis are good starters. Smith was a late first and just finished his rookie year. All of these guys are young. In 3 years if they stink then i could see the complaints, but as of now I like the trajectory.

Before Jordan Davis, the Eagles hadn’t drafted a defensive player in the first 2 rounds since 2017 draft when we grabbed Barnett & then Jones in 2nd rd. So I do think there’s some merit to say Eagles didn’t do enough to stock the defense with young talent for many years. It’s almost crazy to think we went 4 straight drafts without a defensive player drafted in the first 2 rounds. The emergence of Maddox, Sweat, Edwards definitely helped & I don’t hate the mercenary route Eagles took to keep the defense stocked. But Pre Jordan Davis It was a fear of mine that Howie had ignored defense too long, and I think we’re finally seeing the effects of that. 3 1st rd picks in 2 years certainly helps but feels almost like a big overcorrection on Howie’s end & it was too late to save the defense

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Sainristil does too. The guy is a stud. Has a chance to be an elite slot corner.

But it's about positional value. Outside corners are just valued more. I'm not spending a first rounder on a guy if he can't be a shutdown outside corner. Not saying DeJean can't be that, but if the Eagles don't think he will, I'd be pretty annoyed if that's what they spent a first rounder on.

I love Mikey to death but DeJean outweighs him by almost 25 pounds. The run support/safety aspect of the slot corner position will be a big challenge, maybe too much of one. Of course, if we go OT in round one DeJean will be gone by our next pick.

1 minute ago, just relax said:

I love Mikey to death but DeJean outweighs him by almost 30 pounds. The run support/safety aspect of the slot corner position will be a big challenge, maybe too much of one. Of course, if we go OT in round one DeJean will be gone by our next pick.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the eagles try to package their 2 second rounders for a late first.

Coming away with an OT and DeJean would make a ton of sense, and securing that extra year of controlled cost on the rookie deal might make the premium worth it.

Sainristil is good, but there are different levels to this. 

1 minute ago, just relax said:

I love Mikey to death but DeJean outweighs him by almost 30 pounds. The run support/safety aspect of the slot corner position will be a big challenge, maybe too much of one. Of course, if we go OT in round one DeJean will be gone by our next pick.

Right, it's not a 1:1 comparison. It's coming out of that weekend with the best overall haul.

To me, if they want a slot corner, then Fautanu/Mims/whoever in round 1 and Sainristil with a later pick is better to me than DeJean in Round 1 and Patrick Paul with a later pick.

https://x.com/jimmykempski/status/1777256205368406188?s=46
 

i like this Kempski mock. Starts with us sending 22 & 50 to Seattle for 16 & 81 then drafting Terrion Arnold. I’d like that 1st rd 

I'd love for them to come out of round 1 with Arnold or Mitchell, but giving up 50 is steep. Even getting 81 back. Is Arnold that much better than Wiggins to where he's worth sacrificing potentially Edgerrin Cooper or Xavier Legette or Guyton for?

If this was Sauce Gardner I'd do it, but I'm very torn on whether or not I want them to trade up for a CB in this draft. They better been leaps and bounds better than any CB taken in the 22 range if they do.

5 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

https://x.com/jimmykempski/status/1777256205368406188?s=46
 

i like this Kempski mock. Starts with us sending 22 & 50 to Seattle for 16 & 81 then drafting Terrion Arnold. I’d like that 1st rd 

I’d be fine with that. Getting 81 back is key. That should allow us to get a good TE prospect to groom for a year or two… or even trade up in the second if an OT falls.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

I’d be fine with that. Getting 81 back is key. That should allow us to get a good TE prospect to groom for a year or two… or even trade up in the second if an OT falls.

Think it’s far more likely we grab a WR before a TE in this draft. 

Just now, Dwide Schrude said:

Think it’s far more likely we grab a WR before a TE in this draft. 

I think we get both, but the WR talent is going to fall off after the early 3rd round in my view.

19 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If they take him he better be a lockdown corner. If they passed on one for a hybrid guy who they move around, that isn't first round worthy to me.

It seems like some scouts think he projects best at safety.  PFF has him as their number 1 CB prospect.  That doesn't make sense to me given that everyone seems to have a consensus that he's not a number 1 outside CB.  He played mostly outside CB.  I am not sure why he would be a better inside prospect at CB vs inside unless you have concerns about his top end speed. He has very good size.  4.4 is plenty fast. I am guessing if a team takes him in the first round, they think he can play outside.   

Me watching the eclipse today 

16 minutes ago, TEW said:

I’d be fine with that. Getting 81 back is key. That should allow us to get a good TE prospect to groom for a year or two… or even trade up in the second if an OT falls.

 

13 minutes ago, TEW said:

I think we get both, but the WR talent is going to fall off after the early 3rd round in my view.

It doesn't seem to be a deep TE draft.  I think there is plenty of WR talent into the third round.  

58 minutes ago, TEW said:

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We’ve used 2 in the last 6 drafts and 3 in the last 9.

We used the last THREE first round picks on defense in the past TWO drafts.  Davis, Carter and Smith.