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27 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Depends how far you want to trade up.  If JC Latham is on the board at #13, he’s got to be the play if you can trade #22 and 53 to get it done.  Latham has the ability to play RG/RT 

Well, he doesn't have to be. The Eagles if they trade up for an OL are going to trade up for the guy they project to be the best tackle. If they don't project Latham to be the best tackle, they won't trade up for him, even if they project him to be a great guard. That I will pretty much guarantee. If they're trading up for an OT they are drafting him to be Lane Johnson's heir apparent, and they are going to want the guy they project to come closest to giving them what Lane did, because OL continuity is something they greatly value.

If they project Latham to be a dominant OT, then sure. But if not, they won't trade up for him. I don't proclaim to be an OL expert, so I go off the scouts and pundits. Everyone I heard says he projects as an all pro guard, but they're a little less certain about him at OT given his lack of athleticism. I really don't think Latham is going to be their guy given the profile of the guys they met with. They met with all the top athletes at the position. I think they would have Fautanu, Fashanu, Mims all ranked ahead of him in who they project to be a Lane heir apparent at RT.

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1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Maybe....just maybe don't start a game at 9:20 ET on a Monday night. Shoot, even when it's the CFB Natty, that's going to be a struggle to watch at that time.

 

It peaked at 24.1M in the final 15 minutes. Pretty incredible. 

I hope he’s OK. Cause you never want somebody to get hurt. But if you’re the seven seed and get to play the bucks in the first round, you might actually have a real good chance of beating them. They’re not playing very well and now Giannis may also be hurt. The Sixers might wind up having a fortuitous path to get to the eastern conference. They might  have to go to a Bucks team with an injured Giannis and doc rivers has head coach. Then they may face Orlando or the Indiana Pacers in the second round 

3 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

And everyone is kinda thinking OT is going to be the pick now,

NOT AT ALL.

Lane Johnson is signed for $18 Million a year for 3 years.

No,  the Eagles will NOT be taking a OT,  unless it's an OT who plays RG,  in other words,  a RG.

The Eagles do not have a single CB who was good last year.  The Eagles have 6 CB who were bad or terrible.   Having a lot of CBs signed to some sort of contract does not mean they don't get another one,  when so many are bad.

Cooper DeJean  - CB/S
(there are other choices than this)

It may be that this board is somewhat brain damaged if some majority thinks  the Eagles are going to spend a 2024 pick to replace Lane Johnson in 2027.  Mock drafts have Cooper DeJean and Wiggins.  Both CBs.  Both would be reasonable choices.  Other Eagles websites have fans who want DeJean or Wiggins.   The contrary argument goes "or WR or maybe DL".  

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

Ive never seen reports of cancelled top 30 visits like this. Now, I think we are up to 3? Mahogany, Rice and I think there was someone else we heard about before this. 


The only way this is remotely possible is if the Eagles are not planning on extending Smith or AJ Brown is gone next year (or by 2026). There is no way you are trading a draft capital along with paying two other wide receivers big-time money and then taking a wr in he first. You’re not spending a first round pick on a guy who’s going to be your third wide receiver for multiple years if brown and smith are here for the foreseeable future. Especially in a deep draft class. It would mean one of AJ Brown or Smith is not gonna be here long-term. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:


The only way this is remotely possible is if the Eagles are planning on extending Smith or AJ Brown is gone next year. There is no way you are trading a draft capital along with paying two other wide receivers big-time money and then taking a wr in he first. You’re not spending a first round pick on a guy who’s going to be your third wide receiver. Especially in a deep draft class. It would mean one of AJ Brown or Smith is not gonna be here long-term. 

Id wait and see if he is there at 22. Decent chance he is.

If hes targted, and you miss, Legette is just about the same player who can be had in a trade down. 

Im just not sure why this move at all...

16 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Id wait and see if he is there at 22. Decent chance he is.

If hes targted, and you miss, Legette is just about the same player who can be had in a trade down. 

Im just not sure why this move at all...

I get it if you think he is going to be a star and you don’t want to pay both Smith and AJ Brown going forward. However, if you’re planning on paying both AJ Brown and Smith, then it makes no sense. Now if you’re gonna wind up trading AJ Brown or Smith this or next year and you think Thomas can be that type of player then i somewhat get it especially if you have him rated extremely high.

I could at least somewhat understand the logic if the Eagles don’t believe they can afford to pay AJ Brown and Devonta Smith big money going forward and have a complete roster (I’d still pay both). And they already have decided that one of the two is not gonna be here long-term. So they can cash in on their value and get a bunch of picks. They really like this kid and they don’t have to pay him big money for four years 

I can’t get over the guy who’s been a fan of the Eagles for like 3 years thinks all of us are dumb because we know our team…it’s not even annoying anymore it’s hilarious 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Depends how far you want to trade up.  If JC Latham is on the board at #13, he’s got to be the play if you can trade #22 and 53 to get it done.  Latham has the ability to play RG/RT 

And the Eagles can get a RG with a 3rd or 4th   A RT might be needed in 2027,  if Lane decides to retire long before Peters.

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:


The only way this is remotely possible is if the Eagles are planning on extending Smith or AJ Brown is gone next year. There is no way you are trading a draft capital along with paying two other wide receivers big-time money and then taking a wr in he first. You’re not spending a first round pick on a guy who’s going to be your third wide receiver. Especially in a deep draft class. It would mean one of AJ Brown or Smith is not gonna be here long-term. 

I disagree in principle.

I’ll grant you a trade up isn’t likely, but take the trade away…

If you think a WR is dynamic enough to take your offense over the type, and you don’t see a difference make on defense, why wouldn’t you?

I think of what Randy Moss did to that Vikings team with Randall Cunningham. They had a great duo of receivers with Carter and Reed. But adding that dynamic playmaker took their offense from good to one of the best the NFL has ever seen.

Obviously you can’t count on getting a young Randy Moss, but Thomas has some of the same skill set with his speed and length. He could put our offense over the top.

And if you have Thomas tied up for 5 years on a rookie deal, you would position the team to have Thomas re-signed as Brown is over 30 and allowed to leave.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Well, he doesn't have to be. The Eagles if they trade up for an OL are going to trade up for the guy they project to be the best tackle. If they don't project Latham to be the best tackle, they won't trade up for him, even if they project him to be a great guard. That I will pretty much guarantee. If they're trading up for an OT they are drafting him to be Lane Johnson's heir apparent, and they are going to want the guy they project to come closest to giving them what Lane did, because OL continuity is something they greatly value.

If they project Latham to be a dominant OT, then sure. But if not, they won't trade up for him. I don't proclaim to be an OL expert, so I go off the scouts and pundits. Everyone I heard says he projects as an all pro guard, but they're a little less certain about him at OT given his lack of athleticism. I really don't think Latham is going to be their guy given the profile of the guys they met with. They met with all the top athletes at the position. I think they would have Fautanu, Fashanu, Mims all ranked ahead of him in who they project to be a Lane heir apparent at RT.

Are you that attached to Tyler Steen that you’re not open to drafting an All Pro RG in the first round?  I think the Eagles have a need at both RG and RT.  Much less so at LT and LG, so Fautanu and Fashanu interest me much less.  I’m not big on the idea of drafting an OL who played on the left side of the OL for 3-4 years (+ high school), then swap him to the right side in the NFL as a rookie.  
 

25 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Id wait and see if he is there at 22. Decent chance he is.

If hes targted, and you miss, Legette is just about the same player who can be had in a trade down. 

Im just not sure why this move at all...

This.

Thomas at 22 makes a ton of sense. BPA, immediate impact as the 3rd WR, with the potential to make an outsized contribution relative to his usage.

But trading up and giving up future draft capital doesn’t make sense given that the class is so deep at WR.

19 minutes ago, TEW said:

I disagree in principle.

I’ll grant you a trade up isn’t likely, but take the trade away…

If you think a WR is dynamic enough to take your offense over the type, and you don’t see a difference make on defense, why wouldn’t you?

I think of what Randy Moss did to that Vikings team with Randall Cunningham. They had a great duo of receivers with Carter and Reed. But adding that dynamic playmaker took their offense from good to one of the best the NFL has ever seen.

Obviously you can’t count on getting a young Randy Moss, but Thomas has some of the same skill set with his speed and length. He could put our offense over the top.

And if you have Thomas tied up for 5 years on a rookie deal, you would position the team to have Thomas re-signed as Brown is over 30 and allowed to leave.

You aren’t paying aj brown next year. Smith next year. And spending a first round pick having Thomas be your third wr for multiple years on that contract. It’s not maximizing the production or value of that pick to have all 3 for multiple years. It likely means brown is gone next year or smith isn’t getting an extension. There’s no way those 3 are playing together for 3-4 years while you’re paying aj brown $25 mil a year and smith $25 mil a year. Not only that having all 3 of those guys not have issues with the targets they are getting. Meanwhile Barkley and goedert also taking away targets and touches.

also, your example with the Vikings, Reed was gone after two years with Randy Moss. And he was in his 30s already. And Cris Carter was also getting old as he was 33 when Randy Moss was drafted. AJ Brown is currently 27 and Smith is 25.

if you draft Thomas, it’s probably signaling either eagles are moving on from brown within the next two years (who’s cap number is $26 mil next year and 41 in 2026) or they are having issues getting an extension done with smith and trading him to get value back cause they can’t get a deal done. Feels like it would be the former  

19 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Id wait and see if he is there at 22. Decent chance he is.

If hes targted, and you miss, Legette is just about the same player who can be had in a trade down. 

Im just not sure why this move at all...

height isn't the same.  Legette is more of a WR3, built like a running back, a versatile weapon, like Parris and Britain. (hey both are Europe places).   It is said that Brian Thomas is the 4th best WR,  and maybe the Eagles choose to have a backup for D Smith this coming year.   If he's great,  (LSU #2 receivers include J Landry and J Jefferson) which is plausible,  the Eagles could have found a way to save $20 Million a year.   Someone like Luke McCaffrey should be available in the 4th,  so it's not like the Eagles have to take a top WR, but it's a viable option that makes some sense.  

Cooper DeJean,  but Brian Thomas in the first is a way to go.  It makes more sense than 1st round RG or swing tackle.  

2 hours ago, Dwide Schrude said:

The question is how high do they need to trade up, maybe ahead of Seattle? 

Maybe. I know he’s the popular Seattle pick due to the coaching staff but I think that stuff kinda gets overblown during the pre draft process. 

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Are you that attached to Tyler Steen that you’re not open to drafting an All Pro RG in the first round?  I think the Eagles have a need at both RG and RT.  Much less so at LT and LG, so Fautanu and Fashanu interest me much less.  I’m not big on the idea of drafting an OL who played on the left side of the OL for 3-4 years (+ high school), then swap him to the right side in the NFL as a rookie.  
 

I'm not, I just think they can find another guard elsewhere without much of a problem. A stud OT is far more difficult to find. They are only going to have a few cracks in the next couple offseasons to find Lane's replacement. At guard they will have numerous chances to find guys.

Who has the Jonah Elliss and Jeremiah Trotter workout numbers?

Elliss was yesterday.  Trotter was today. 

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You aren’t paying aj brown next year. Smith next year. And spending a first round pick having Thomas be your third wr for multiple years on that contract. It’s not maximizing the production or value of that pick to have all 3 for multiple years. It likely means brown is gone next year or smith isn’t getting an extension. There’s no way those 3 are playing together for 3-4 years while you’re paying aj brown $25 mil a year and smith $25 mil a year. Not only that having all 3 of those guys not have issues with the targets they are getting. Meanwhile Barkley and goedert also taking away targets and touches.

also, your example with the Vikings, Reed was gone after two years with Randy Moss. And he was in his 30s already. And Cris Carter was also getting old as he was 33 when Randy Moss was drafted. AJ Brown is currently 27 and Smith is 25.

if you draft Thomas, it’s probably signaling either eagles are moving on from brown within the next two years (who’s cap number is $26 mil next year and 41 in 2026) or they are having issues getting an extension done with smith and trading him to get value back cause they can’t get a deal done. Feels like it would be the former  

How is it not maximizing the value of that pick to have all 3 WRs for multiple years?

My view is that there is a synergy in having 3 top end WRs.

It puts an unbelievable burden on the defense and the coverage adjustments they must make. Having all 3 together for multiple years isn’t a problem, it’s the point!

You can actually afford to have all 3 because of the rookie deal. They have complimentary skill sets: Thomas brings elite speed, Smith brings intermediate route running and hands, while Brown brings elite physicality and RAC ability.

The kicker here is that if you actually have problems re-signing Brown or Smith, you have a plan B. But that wouldn’t be my goal. My goal would be to have an indefensible trident of receivers.

22 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe. I know he’s the popular Seattle pick due to the coaching staff but I think that stuff kinda gets overblown during the pre draft process. 

I agree with that, I think Seattle would probably be looking more for defense too. Their defense isn’t good, and they’re in ideal range for one of the top pass rushers. I also imagine that would appeal more to their defensive minded HC 

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It likely means brown is gone next year or smith isn’t getting an extension.

But only if Brian Thomas is good enough and can fit into the offense like Brown or Smith do.    If so,  the Eagles would have put them in a position to save $20 Million a year. 

Adding Parris Campbell was a good boost to the offense at the mystery position,  which could be WR3,  could be TE2,  could be fullback,  or something else,  linebackers running routes and blocking.
 
Brian Thomas Jr I don't think is that versatile weapony guy.  His numbers look a lot like big and fast WR.  6027 and 209,  that's good size for a big wr.  4.33 40,  1.52 10 split and good jumps.   Legette had better ras,  due to Legettes much better bench,  and Legette being heavier.  

1 hour ago, TEW said:

How is it not maximizing the value of that pick to have all 3 WRs for multiple years?

My view is that there is a synergy in having 3 top end WRs.

It puts an unbelievable burden on the defense and the coverage adjustments they must make. Having all 3 together for multiple years isn’t a problem, it’s the point!

You can actually afford to have all 3 because of the rookie deal. They have complimentary skill sets: Thomas brings elite speed, Smith brings intermediate route running and hands, while Brown brings elite physicality and RAC ability.

The kicker here is that if you actually have problems re-signing Brown or Smith, you have a plan B. But that wouldn’t be my goal. My goal would be to have an indefensible trident of receivers.

you’re not maximizing it because he’s not gonna get enough targets and frankly reps necessary to maximize that pick on his rookie deal. plus the fact that you have two guys ahead of him and they’re getting most of the targets. And then if not them Barkley annd goedert also still exist in this offense. So he may be your fourth or fifth option in the offense for 2 or 3 years. so for possibly 2-3 years he’s your 3rd wr and 4-5th option then he’s due for an extension. so the cheap years you have him for you didn’t maximize his talent by being the 3rd wr and the 4-5th option in the offense. 

So they can afford it doesn’t mean it’s good use of resources not maximizing the value. You don’t need to spend 22 for a 3rd wr and 4/5th option in the offense to give yourself another dimension especially in a deep wr class 

also, you’re unbelievable burden is also a burden upon yourself to keep everyone happy. Aj brown was irritated last year with the amount of targets he got at times. Now you are inserting Barkley and a first round rookie into the offense. So even less targets (with brown having very little guaranteed salary in 2025 & 2026). I see that causing a problem for a guy who is gonna want an extension and wants the ball

please show me another team that has three top end wide receivers in their offense? Let alone paying two of them to massive extensions then still taking a WR in the first round.  Dolphins have waddle and hill. Rams have kupp and nucua. Niners have aiyuk and deebo. Bears have moore and allen. Bengals had Boyd, jamarr and Higgins. And that’s because two of them were on rookie contracts. One of them wasn’t a first round pick rookie contract. They weren’t paying two guys $100 mil in extensions then drafting another Wr in the first round. Texans have 3 but two are on rookie deals and weren’t first round picks and diggs is under contract for only a year. They also have a QB on a cheap rookie deal. With paying hurts and his cap number increasing more and more after every year you are deciding to pay 2 WRs $100 mil contracts and then using 22nd pick. So you have all this money and now resources tied into WR when you have holes all over the defense and need help going forward at OL. It’s not a good use of resources (nor maximizing the players value) unless you don’t want to pay both smith and brown and trade one of them to get picks back and see that pick at 22 is replacing one of them relatively soon 

I will make you this bet right now, if they draft a wide receiver in the first round that Smith or AJ Brown is not gonna be here in 2 years. brown has a $26 mil cap hit in 2025 and $41 mil in 2026. He has 0 guaranteed salary in 2025 and 2026 (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/a-j-brown-100m-contract-details-released-eagles-give-receiver-team-friendly-deal-for-duration-of-agreement/amp/). So something is happening with aj brown in 2025 offseason or 2026 at the latest. I don’t see the eagles paying smith $100 mil extension, brown $100+ mil and using 22 at wr and keeping all of them for 3-4 years. It’s very likely brown or smith would be gone within the next two years

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30 minutes ago, TEW said:

How is it not maximizing the value of that pick to have all 3 WRs for multiple years?

My view is that there is a synergy in having 3 top end WRs.

It puts an unbelievable burden on the defense and the coverage adjustments they must make. Having all 3 together for multiple years isn’t a problem, it’s the point!

You can actually afford to have all 3 because of the rookie deal. They have complimentary skill sets: Thomas brings elite speed, Smith brings intermediate route running and hands, while Brown brings elite physicality and RAC ability.

The kicker here is that if you actually have problems re-signing Brown or Smith, you have a plan B. But that wouldn’t be my goal. My goal would be to have an indefensible trident of receivers.

The Eagles would be able to find snaps for Brian Thomas year 1.  Can't say the same for RT of the future or RG.  Steen could play RG, and whatever OL that get drafted could be sitting all year.   Whatever RB the Eagles bring in in the draft will likely get some snaps.  The Eagles had 4 RBs last year,  2 currently. 

If Brian Thomas turns out to be great,  that's a home run pick at 22.  If he is more like Reagor,  then it's not a great pick.  I think the Eagles should look close for signs of sucking before they pick him if they want to go in that direction.

Again the preference is for Cooper DeJean (or Wiggins) based on the idea that it would be great to have a great CB,  to balance against a large number of PFF 40-60,  and not unreasonable to think that the Eagles could find a spot immediately for him to play,  since there are so many positions he could play.

I also like Richardson from Mississippi State, who the Eagles had in for a 30 visit.  fast 4.34 CB as a day 3.  

They could get All American Right Guards Zinter or Haynes as day 3 picks.   They could get any number of hi ras OL who are a bit raw to play swing tackle.  Tylan Grable later day 3,  Giovanni Manu later day 3 or udfa.  Hi ras right guard,  guy from Holy Cross.  There are a good number of hi ras day 3 type players this year.  Steen will be there to be either RG or swing tackle.  Hennessy would be swing IOL, could start at RG.   The Eagles are covered at this point in case of injury anywhere on the OL.   Hennessy covers all IOL,  and Steen covers T.  If Steen goes to T,  Hennessy would play RG.  Adding players would allow more options than that.

30 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I will make you this bet right now, if they draft a wide receiver in the first round that Smith or AJ Brown is not gonna be here in 2 years.

I’m already of the firm belief AJ Brown will not be here in two years.  I think it’s highly unlikely the Eagles draft a WR in the first round, but if you see one drafted at #50 or 53 I’d say you can start the clock on Brown.

14 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I’m already of the firm belief AJ Brown will not be here in two years.  I think it’s highly unlikely the Eagles draft a WR in the first round, but if you see one drafted at #50 or 53 I’d say you can start the clock on Brown.

Yeah i think second rounder it would likely indicate that too. If that CBS article is right that I posted, he doesn’t have any guaranteed salary in 2025 or 2026. So I’m guessing he’s going to ask for an extension and more guaranteed money. They also have to pay smith and hurts cap number is going to begin to increase year after year.

The reason why I think it would make sense to take a wide receiver at 22 is if the Eagles are bracing themselves knowing that AJ Brown is gonna want the type of contract he does at the end of this year and they don’t view it as good roster building to pay him and smith. So that they are going to try to trade him to recoup some of the value back and they really like that wide receiver at 22 thinking he could replace brown sooner rather than later. And then just pay smith 

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