9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

His brother Mike is a good guy.  Too bad can't put him next to Fletcher to best describe what most on here due on the weekend 🙂

 

6 minutes ago, TEW said:

When was the last time we actually took a low upside, productive non-athletic guy in the first round?

Barnett.

DeJean and Hunt on this defense with all of the places you can move them around could make this defense really fun. 

18 minutes ago, RLC said:

Marcus Smith was a developmental EDGE when he was drafted. Clearly the wrong pick (thanks Chip!), but he was behind Graham/Barwin immediately on the depth chart.

Watkins was drafted to be the immediate RG, but he sucked.

They needed a true 3-4 EDGE.  Graham was not that guy, even though they made him do it.  Barwin was their best option there, but as with most 3-4 defenses... you need two of them.  And Graham was NOT that guy.    They forced the pick on Smith due to the position he played.

1 hour ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Of course the Bears are not expected to win, and he won't have the pressure.  But, Caleb Williams likely has never been used to losing football games, having a losing season, or not being especially competitive at ANY level.  Some guys can battle through that and be great.  Some guys can't.  His strange antics, to me, suggest that he probably has some maladaptive coping strategies, or perhaps has no coping strategies at all.  We'll see. 

If I'm the Bears, if the Commanders really did offer what they did for that pick, I'd take it in a heartbeat. 

I don't think he'll be a bust.  Too much talent is there.

You hope and expect that he will grow and mature.  Some players actually do that.  But maybe he won't.  Like you said, we'll see.

The guys on the Stock Exchange podcast put it a good way once when they talked about  "counting attributes twice". 

For example, Xavier Worthy. Everyone knew he was fast. Everyone knew he was REALLY fast. He was probably projected in like round 3 or 4. He goes to the combine. He runs extremely fast, and as if people didnt know that, his draft stock is immediately bumped up to round 1 (temporarily), and seems to have settled in to round 2. 

We knew he was fast. That already contributed to his draft value, back when he was a 3rd or 4th rounder. He runs. And because of his speed being counted twice, his speed is suddenly a reason why he gets bumped way way higher.

You have to be careful about counting attributes twice.

 

JC Latham is a tackle, who can play guard for a few years here. And its been mentioned that we would need to trade up to around pick 12 or so to land him. Hes not going to play 2 positions. Hes still just one guy. The versatility is nice, but he can still only do 1 thing.

Its not like DeJean where you can line him up all over the formation each game, and do various things to make life difficult on an offense. Its an OL. Hes going to line up in the same spot every play. He can eventually become a tackle. But his value isnt any greater because of that. Because guess what- when he moves out to tackle, he creates a hole at guard again. Cause hes just 1 guy. We can just draft a guard. Or draft a tackle. Now. And draft the other position in a future draft. Its two holes. It needs to be filled by 2 players. Latham's versatility doesnt really factor in to added value in since he can only fill 1 hole at a time. 

I feel like this is almost counting attributes twice. Its kinda different. But kinda the same.

Lets not trade up very far for an OL in this draft when you can get great OL at pick 22, and later. 

16 minutes ago, TEW said:

Until Lane retires it makes sense.

No it doesn't, Latham isn't such a great tackle that you have to take him this year, he's a bog standard big programme tackle the type of which get churned out every year.

Worth noting that he's saying he wants to play left Tackle in the pros too, and he couldn't beat out Tyler Steen there in 'Bama 2 years ago.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

The guys on the Stock Exchange podcast put it a good way once when they talked about  "counting attributes twice". 

For example, Xavier Worthy. Everyone knew he was fast. Everyone knew he was REALLY fast. He was probably projected in like round 3 or 4. He goes to the combine. He runs extremely fast, and as if people didnt know that, his draft stock is immediately bumped up to round 1 (temporarily), and seems to have settled in to round 2. 

We knew he was fast. That already contributed to his draft value, back when he was a 3rd or 4th rounder. He runs. And because of his speed being counted twice, his speed is suddenly a reason why he gets bumped way way higher.

You have to be careful about counting attributes twice.

 

JC Latham is a tackle, who can play guard for a few years here. And its been mentioned that we would need to trade up to around pick 12 or so to land him. Hes not going to play 2 positions. Hes still just one guy. The versatility is nice, but he can still only do 1 thing.

Its not like DeJean where you can line him up all over the formation each game, and do various things to make life difficult on an offense. Its an OL. Hes going to line up in the same spot every play. He can eventually become a tackle. But his value isnt any greater because of that. We can just draft a guard. Or draft a tackle. Now. And draft the other position in a future draft. Its two holes. It needs to be filled by 2 players. Latham's versatility doesnt really factor in since he can only fill 1 hole at a time. 

I feel like this is almost counting attributes twice. Its kinda different. But kinda the same.

Lets not trade up very far for an OL in this draft when you can get great OL at pick 22, and later. 

Feel like Latham can open some serious lanes for Saquon and other RB's and keep Hurts upright which is two things.

2 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Feel like Latham can open some serious lanes for Saquon and other RB's and keep Hurts upright which is two things.

Im sure he can. But there are guys who can do that, and we dont have to trade up for them.

41 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

You want to trade up to take a tackle at 12-13 so you can play him at Guard?

Yes.

4 hours ago, wussbasket said:

I’ve been saying for a while I think the Eagles are going to push in this draft. They are in a Super Bowl window right now. Howie isn’t worried about building a sustained team for the next 3-5 years. He’s looking at 2 more good shots at the Super Bowl and then rebuild in 2026.

I don’t know, then I think they would’ve just kept Reddick if they were truly going all in. Trading Reddick but drafting purely for the now would be ultra contradictory.

 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

oh yes! love it.

News about Hunt and Kamara today is a great news day.

Maybe the Justin Simmons signing is happening today too.

2 hours ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

I'm gonna say right now, I can see Caleb Williams being a GIGANTIC bust.  You have the physical side of being an NFL QB, and then you have the mental side.  He clearly has the physical makeup, but he does not have the mental toughness.  He was in the stands crying after a loss last season - as an NFL QB for the Bears, he's gonna lose quite a few games.  He's probably going to have his share of bad games.  Does he have the mental toughness to handle the adversity of the NFL?  

Just getting drafted by the Bears is a death knell for an NFL QB. Give them anyone, they will probably bust. 

21 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

No it doesn't, Latham isn't such a great tackle that you have to take him this year, he's a bog standard big programme tackle the type of which get churned out every year.

Worth noting that he's saying he wants to play left Tackle in the pros too, and he couldn't beat out Tyler Steen there in 'Bama 2 years ago.

You put your five best guys out there and figure out where to put them after that. Latham played RG as an 18-year-old freshman, RT as a 19-year-old (when Steen played LT and Steen had already played LT for two years at Vanderbilt), and LT as a 20-year-old. He ran a 40 at 4.85 weighing 342, which is ridiculous. He's just 21. Steen was and is almost three years older than Latham. It is so bogus to make that claim that Steen beat him out. 

Whatever a "bog standard" is, I'll take him. 12-13 may be a little too high to go, but if he gets to 15, I absolutely want him. 

42 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Lets not trade up very far for an OL in this draft when where you can get great OL at pick 22, and later.   14 or earlier.

FYP

 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

FYP

no thank you.

1 hour ago, 315Eagles said:

I think those are different situations though.  I don't remember him crying at Oklahoma or even the season before last at USC after a loss. 

He was probably emotional after those losses because USC wouldn't have a chance to compete for a title and his time in college was coming to an end.

With the Bears he's not expected to win right away.  I don't think he'll be crying after losing games with Chicago, especially his rookie year.

People that don't like him painting his nails and all just want him to fail. They say they don't care but they clearly do

3 minutes ago, just relax said:

You put your five best guys out there and figure out where to put them after that. Latham played RG as an 18-year-old freshman, RT as a 19-year-old (when Steen played LT and Steen had already played LT for two years at Vanderbilt), and LT as a 20-year-old. He ran a 40 at 4.85 weighing 342, which is ridiculous. He's just 21. Steen was and is almost three years older than Latham. It is so bogus to make that claim that Steen beat him out. 

Whatever a "bog standard" is, I'll take him. 12-13 may be a little too high to go, but if he gets to 15, I absolutely want him. 

Meh.   Once you get to that point... if you want him at 15... then you want him at 12.  It's just a matter of whether or not you can make the move to grab him by trading up with another team.    What's the difference in cost for moving from 22 to 12, compared to 22 to 15?    According to the 'chart'... that's a late 3rd round pick value difference.  BUT, it really comes down to which teams are motivated to move back and which are motivated to stay put.

 

Picks 12 - 15 are:  Denver, Las Vegas, New Orleans, Indy.

Of those, I think Denver and New Orleans would be more interested in moving back versus LV or Indy.  So, I think 12 and 14 are the prime targets for a move up, if one is possible.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Yup.   Why should he be in a rush?   If another WR signs ahead of him, all it does is push his price up... and he's not in a risky situation until about August rolls around.  He's got time to be patient... and doesn't even need to worry about 'betting on himself' for a few more months.  

The Eagles have an idea of what Steen can do.  They didn’t sign a **** except Hennessy and I see him more as the C back up.  They didn’t move to re-sign Opeta.  I am the thinking that means that they see Steen as the starter.  I am intrigued with the Kinnard signing and the Poe signing.  But I suspect at this point, Steen is penciled in as the starting RG.  Right now the only back up players they have with G experience are Toth (not great for the Panthers) and Hennessy. The only back up players they have with C experience are Hennessy, Poe (very little) and Toth (ugh).  

I do think they may pursue a C/G in the draft although Barton at 22 is too high.  I would not be shocked with a trade down to target Barton or Powers-Johnson but expect more likely they go local, Hunter Nourzad later on.

3 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Keon Coleman? Slow, non-dominant college receiver who just caught an abnormal amount of TDs that everyone thinks is a fringe late first guy because he’s tall.

 

Goalline Jalen Reagor

So, JJAW?

35 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

No it doesn't, Latham isn't such a great tackle that you have to take him this year, he's a bog standard big programme tackle the type of which get churned out every year.

Worth noting that he's saying he wants to play left Tackle in the pros too, and he couldn't beat out Tyler Steen there in 'Bama 2 years ago.

Totally disagree.

Latham is quite unique physically. Players like him most certainly do not get churned out every year. His mass, length and movement skills in one package are rare.

A "bog standard big program OT” is about 320 pounds. Latham is 360. He’s a Mailata sized tackle, only slightly more squat.

Two seasons ago Latham was a 19 year old starting at right tackle for freaking Alabama. Not sure how that’s a strike against him because he couldn’t beat out a 5th year senior, 3 time All-SEC selection, who transferred to Alabama on the promise to start at LT.

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

The Eagles have an idea of what Steen can do.  They didn’t sign a **** except Hennessy and I see him more as the C back up.  They didn’t move to re-sign Opeta.  I am the thinking that means that they see Steen as the starter.  I am intrigued with the Kinnard signing and the Poe signing.  But I suspect at this point, Steen is penciled in as the starting RG.  Right now the only back up players they have with G experience are Toth (not great for the Panthers) and Hennessy. The only back up players they have with C experience are Hennessy, Poe (very little) and Toth (ugh).  

I do think they may pursue a C/G in the draft although Barton at 22 is too high.  I would not be shocked with a trade down to target Barton or Powers-Johnson but expect more likely they go local, Hunter Nourzad later on.

We brought in quite a few college guards this offseason, from what I recall. The kid from TCU Brandon Coleman and Boston’s Mahogany, along with Cooper Beebe.

I can’t remember the eagles using this many visits on guards.