8 minutes ago, RLC said:

DeJean at 22

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19 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

That's very promiscuous of Howie 

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

That's very promiscuous of Howie 

Impressive discipline though. 

Better ball skills than Quez

Spencer Strider out for the season is good for the Phillies in the regular season…bad for the playoffs.

32 minutes ago, RLC said:

All signs do point to DeJean at 22.

You can feel Howie saying at the podium "see, we DO take CBs early!"

I doubt he is still there

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

if you can be objective, youd recognize the talent he had. He was improving and looked ready to break out. I think he could have been a top tier #2 in the league for a while. Hate that he threw it away. 

 

His best season came AFTER his 'incident'.  He was resigned to a two year deal after that breakout in 2013.  So, he had two more years here where he dramatically tapered off, along with the entire Chip Kelly system.  He didn't throw anything away... he wasn't that good.  His breakout season coincided with the novelty of the Chip Kelly experiment... and as soon as NFL teams figured out Kelly, Cooper was finished.

39 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If they draft Robinson I’ll really start to question what the overall plan is 

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Better ball skills than Quez

That's like saying he has better vision than Stevie Wonder.  

8 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Spencer Strider out for the season is good for the Phillies in the regular season…bad for the playoffs.

I still don’t think the Phillies can hang with the Braves for the division.  

56 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Very interesting.  The only objective miss was the guy they didn't bring into town.

 

 reagor is a miss and I’d argue at least dillard finished his contract here. Reagor got dealt after 2 years. 

4 hours ago, Outlaw said:

Spencer Strider out for the season is good for the Phillies in the regular season…bad for the playoffs.

If baseball really wanted to 'fix' their issues, they'd train pitchers how to PITCH more... and not to throw 100mph.  And they'd have pitchers throwing much more than they currently do... and strengthening their arms for longevity, not maximum exertion constantly.  We'll never see another Nolan Ryan, Steve Carlton or even Roy Halladay.   And its a shame.   Complete games are ridiculously rare these days.   And teams overly rely on the bullpen.  The bullpens suck nowadays because these guys ALSO can't pitch, but only throw hard.  So, they can't get 'overused' either.   Starters go 5 or 6 innings and that's considered a 'good' outing.   A reliever comes in and gets 3 outs and that's somehow impressive.   If your starter can get you through 7 or 8 innings, your bullpen only has to take care of 3 or 6 outs... but when these starters only go 5 or 6... now you expect the bullpen to get 9 or even 12 outs... that's nuts.

Starters don't even get pulled anymore for pinch hitters, they usually just come out after going through the lineup twice.   And why is that?   Because they can't PITCH, they only throw.  

The Phillies do have guys who are more 'pitchers' than they are 'throwers' in the starting rotation... but still stick to the pitch count error and the idea that these guys are made of glass.   They need to be taught proper throwing motions, exercise their arms for stamina and learn how to make the ball hit their spots.  Properly placed pitches are far harder to hit than faster pitches.  

 

If baseball wants fewer pitchers getting surgery... then they need to start with the youth leagues and teach the kids how to properly pitch.  And since they never have to even touch a bat anymore, you'd think that it would be EASIER to do... and yet, it seems harder than ever.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 reagor is a miss and I’d argue at least dillard finished his contract here. Reagor got dealt after 2 years. 

They were both misses.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They were both misses.

Don't know how either point is even arguable. Like, clear busts.

56 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

If they draft Robinson I’ll really start to question what the overall plan is 

Edge is a clear need in 2025, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them draft someone. This is a really terrible class for edge rusher, whereas you can probably get a decent oline or secondary prospect in the second round. So that might impact their thinking. 

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They were both misses.

For sure both were. My point was more not sure how you say "the only objective miss” was dillard. Imo reagor was worse than dillard. And both were busts.  

25 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I still don’t think the Phillies can hang with the Braves for the division.  

It’s cause their lineup is too dependent on HRs. They are brutal with Risp. It was that way in the postseason. Unless they were hitting a lot of homers they struggled with RISP. Went .226 for the postseason. About .030 below their season average. The last 5 games vs. the dbacks they were .147. Really game 2 of nlcs skews their overall number from that series. They were 5-7 that game. Rest of the series they were 7-44 (.159). They also don’t have a true cleanup hitter. Realmuto isn’t that. Schwarber is leadoff and they are leaving him there. Bohm isn’t a cleanup guy. Castellanos is back to what he looked like in the last 5 games of nlcs. Marsh is playing great but isn’t a cleanup hitter. They really need one. It would likely allow Harper to see much better pitches to hit. Teams will rather just face realmuto and give Harper little to hit. The odds are in their favor doing that way rather than giving Harper stuff to hit.

their pitching has been good so far. I’d still add a bullpen piece and see how Turnbull and eventually walker fare til the deadline 

 

36 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 reagor is a miss and I’d argue at least dillard finished his contract here. Reagor got dealt after 2 years. 

Yup.  I looked past Reagor.  That was a clear process failure on their part with the pick and my part with the post.

20 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Edge is a clear need in 2025, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them draft someone. This is a really terrible class for edge rusher, whereas you can probably get a decent oline or secondary prospect in the second round. So that might impact their thinking. 

Yea, I just wouldn’t get Chop Robinson specifically. I’d rather take Latu even with the neck concern. 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

 

 

Thank God.  There was a lot of speculation since it was taking so long that they were going to pass on giving a contract.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yea, I just wouldn’t get Chop Robinson specifically. I’d rather take Latu even with the neck concern. 

I’m in this category. I’d take latu. Watched that kid all year. He’s a stud and going to at the next level if his health allows him too. If you are ok with the medicals on his neck, it’s great value at 22. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s cause their lineup is too dependent on HRs. They are brutal with Risp. It was that way in the postseason. Unless they were hitting a lot of homers they struggled with RISP. Went .226 for the postseason. About .030 below their season average. The last 5 games vs. the dbacks they were .147. Really game 2 of nlcs skews their overall number from that series. They were 5-7 that game. Rest of the series they were 7-44 (.159). They also don’t have a true cleanup hitter. Realmuto isn’t that. Schwarber is leadoff and they are leaving him there. Bohm isn’t a cleanup guy. Castellanos is back to what he looked like in the last 5 games of nlcs. Marsh is playing great but isn’t a cleanup hitter. They really need one. It would likely allow Harper to see much better pitches to hit. Teams will rather just face realmuto and give Harper little to hit. The odds are in their favor doing that way rather than giving Harper stuff to hit.

their pitching has been good so far. I’d still add a bullpen piece and see how Turnbull and eventually walker fare til the deadline 

I've said for years that the Phillies lineup is too streaky.  Turner came here advertised as a hitter that doesn't run hot an cold.  Streakless and slumpless.  And yet he's been one of the most enigmatic guys in the lineup since coming to Philly.

 I realize in the era of analytics that slugging %, OBP, OPS, WAR are king, but I wish there was a stat for the distribution of hits to show how hot and cold a lineup runs.  

They just seem to eventually go ice cold too often.

43 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 reagor is a miss and I’d argue at least dillard finished his contract here. Reagor got dealt after 2 years. 

Dillard was still terrible return on investment.  I still maintain that he was a really nice prospect (and he is an NFL caliber player too).  So while the pick didn't look at bad, it's still a 1st round pick that did zero to help the team.

It's interesting that there is a huge gap between the quality of the Dallas 1st round picks over the last 10 years and ours (theirs are far better), yet they've had far less success.