1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I've said for years that the Phillies lineup is too streaky.  Turner came here advertised as a hitter that doesn't run hot an cold.  Streakless and slumpless.  And yet he's been one of the most enigmatic guys in the lineup since coming to Philly.

 I realize in the era of analytics that slugging %, OBP, OPS, WAR are king, but I wish there was a stat for the distribution of hits to show how hot and cold a lineup runs.  

They just seem to eventually go ice cold too often.

It’s a lineup built for the playoffs to get hot with a lot of homers and try to carry them that way. If they aren’t hitting homers they are susceptible. They also have a ridiculous bad chance rate. Guys like Castellanos aren’t changing. But if the younger kids start developing that habit then have to look at your hitting coach. I said at the end of game 2 vs. dbacks they better keep up the tear of homers they were on cause if they don’t they had been awful with runners in scoring position all playoffs and was issues for chunks of the season.

Really the Phillies never replaced hoskins hitting with RISP. In 2022 he hit .290ish. And gave them quality at bats that made pitchers work and have to grind. Like you lost a 25-30 homer guy and a 80-90 RBI guy. You replaced some of it with Turner. but Castellanos is a blackhole in the lineup and frankly Rojas just isn’t ready yet as a hitter. So losing him really looms larger with two holes. I’d be really shocked if Juan Soto got to free agency and the Phillies didn’t just blow him out of the water. 

This is a good draft to get rotational edge rushers in the middle rounds

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Dillard was still terrible return on investment.  I still maintain that he was a really nice prospect (and he is an NFL caliber player too).  So while the pick didn't look at bad, it's still a 1st round pick that did zero to help the team.

I’m not sure he’s an NFL caliber player. 

Dillard allowed a league-high 12 sacks and gave up 42 pressures last year. He started 10 games. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Dillard allowed a league-high 12 sacks and gave up 42 pressures last year. He started 10 games. 

We got a 5th round comp pick for Andre Dillard.😅

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s a lineup built for the playoffs to get hot with a lot of homers and try to carry them that way. If they aren’t hitting homers they are susceptible. They also have a ridiculous bad chance rate. Guys like Castellanos aren’t changing. But if the younger kids start developing that habit then have to look at your hitting coach. I said at the end of game 2 vs. dbacks they better keep up the tear of homers they were on cause if they don’t they had been awful with runners in scoring position all playoffs and was issues for chunks of the season.

Really the Phillies never replaced hoskins hitting with RISP. In 2022 he hit .290ish. And gave them quality at bats that made pitchers work and have to grind. Like you lost a 25-30 homer guy and a 80-90 RBI guy. You replaced some of it with Turner. but Castellanos is a blackhole in the lineup and frankly Rojas just isn’t ready yet as a hitter. So losing him really looms larger with two holes. I’d be really shocked if Juan Soto got to free agency and the Phillies didn’t just blow him out of the water. 

I can see them finally making a Mike Trout move.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not sure he’s an NFL caliber player. 

I really didn’t like that pic like other people did. I was more skeptical. I questioned about why he fell where he did. That he was an older prospect. But the thing that bothered me the most was that there was huge question on whether he could run block. Because Washington state hardly ever ran. So you never knew if he could do it and if he could what level was he at. If I’m taking a 23-year-old thatvwas going to be 24 in the middle of his rookie season in the first round (and I’m trading up for him) you better prove at the college level that you were good at both run blocking and pass blocking. And that was a huge dynamic that we had no clue. 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I can see them finally making a Mike Trout move.

In hindsight, we should have just parted ways with one or more of the hyped up pitching prospects for him considering it looks like they are all going nowhere fast now.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I can see them finally making a Mike Trout move.

Maybe if they don’t think Soto is gettable in FA next offseason. I think they look at Juan Soto as he’s gonna be 26 next year. So if you give him a 10 year contract, you’re likely gonna get prime years for a majority of the contract. Whereas trout is 32 and has 6 years left after this year. I also don’t know if the Phillies want to give up the prospects it’ll take. It’s likely still going to cost you someone like Crawford and probably more cause i think the angels are content just letting him play out his contract and so is trout at this point. 

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

How can you not love this deep sleeper? This is the type of energy needed to eventually replace Graham in the locker room. 

 

I go through Commerce several times a year.  If you are ever there, watch the ever changing speed limit around A&M-Commerce.  Once of the most notorious speed traps in Texas.  On par with 306 around Canyon Lake and the constables on I610 on the south side of Houston.  I swear, Commerce must fund its police department on speeding tickets. I drive like a Virginian there.  (Virginia jails folks for ten miles over the speed limit.)  Of course, outside of Commerce the speed limit is 70-75 mph.  

28 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It's interesting that there is a huge gap between the quality of the Dallas 1st round picks over the last 10 years and ours (theirs are far better), yet they've had far less success.

Their front office is great at drafting and crap at everything else. This offseason has been a crap show for them.

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

McInstry and DeJean could also be first round picks, as well as Edgerrin Cooper with a trade down to later in the round.

No to McKinstry and Cooper in round one. Absolutely NO.

44 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It's interesting that there is a huge gap between the quality of the Dallas 1st round picks over the last 10 years and ours (theirs are far better), yet they've had far less success.

There has been a bunch of Cowboy assessments this offseason.

Two points are consistent:

1. Despite their round 1 successes, the team hasn't added enough in the later rounds or in free agency.
2. They don't push enough cap spending into future years, thus not maximizing their current talent level. 

 

3. They always hire **** coaches.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Edge is a clear need in 2025, so it wouldn't surprise me to see them draft someone. This is a really terrible class for edge rusher, whereas you can probably get a decent oline or secondary prospect in the second round. So that might impact their thinking. 

Marshawn Kneeland would be fine by me as a potential pick in round 2, has the size and physical attributes our current edge guys don't have. 

 

 

58 minutes ago, just relax said:

No to McKinstry and Cooper in round one. Absolutely NO.

28 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Not worthy.

2 hours ago, just relax said:

No to McKinstry and Cooper in round one. Absolutely NO.

Yeah, I think their pre-draft interests in Cooper are strictly relevant to the #53 pick …. but he won’t be there that long 

I am more intrigued by Nate Wiggins the more I study him. If he can be a shutdown corner I want him. Even if he may struggle vs the run. If he has a higher ceiling as a shutdown corner than DeJean I'd rather have him even if he may not be as versatile. That makeup speed compared to a guy like Bradberry who got burned last year routinely is such a welcome sight.

And also, I can envision a scenario where if the Eagles took DeJean and he's a solid player, but Wiggins goes to like the Bills or something and is a shutdown corner there, and in 3 years we are all like "Jesus Christ, we had a dude sitting there as smooth and as sticky in coverage as Wiggins, how the F wasn't it so obvious to just take the guy with the elite physical toolkit? We way overthought this."

I have seen enough of DeJean to be pretty confident he won't suck in the NFL though. I actually think he has a higher floor than a lot of guys in this class. The only thing is will he be special. But after years of getting burned by Lamb and McLaurin, and in 2023 getting burned by everyone, I'm not going to be satisfied with any CB pick who isn't a guy you can put on an island against a WR and forget about it. Need that type of guy on the Eagles very badly.

2 hours ago, RLC said:

We got a 5th round comp pick for Andre Dillard.😅

It's funny... and yet it's very sad.  They gave up a first, 4th and 6th to select him, so even with the comp pick, the Eagles lost out big time on that selection... getting a comp 5th round pick back 5 years later is hardly something 'positive'.

 

Consider, they didn't do their homework on him, and he started to slide... and rather than doing their homework during the time before their pick... they rushed to judgement, traded up and screwed themselves with their haste.

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

3. They always hire **** coaches.

Not so loud; our OC might hear you ….

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It's funny... and yet it's very sad.  They gave up a first, 4th and 6th to select him, so even with the comp pick, the Eagles lost out big time on that selection... getting a comp 5th round pick back 5 years later is hardly something 'positive'.

 

Consider, they didn't do their homework on him, and he started to slide... and rather than doing their homework during the time before their pick... they rushed to judgement, traded up and screwed themselves with their haste.

Yup, Dillard is the poster child of the "there's more to the draft than tape and combine numbers" reality. If you don't have the mental game, the league chews you up pretty quickly. 

 

I just began looking at the draft class experience since there are so many old prospects this year. I randomly starter at OG and I got all the way to the 20th ranked guard where found the first true junior. 

Now, tackles are different. There are a bunch of juniors, red-shirt juniors, even a few redshirt sophomores.

One guy who caught my eye was Blake Fisher. The other OT prospect from ND in this draft. He plays RT and he just turned 21 in March. He is 6'6''' with long arms and big hands. Im not sure he has quite enough athleticism for us. But hes pretty darn good and has a lot of time to improve.

Im just not quite sure he belongs on an eagles big board. I think Im gonna leave him off. What do you guys think?