I;m glad Smitty got that extension; good for the team, but he also deserves it/ Would have been a massive shame seeing him leave over a contract

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

The coordinators were the problem.  If you want to stick up for Brian Johnson and Sean Desai, feel free.  They had to go.

Firing a head coach is a huge organizational decision -- for good organizations.  You want a long term head coach in place, or you become the Jets or Chargers or Browns for 20 years.  I'd have been a staunch defender for Doug as well, but Doug insisted on keeping the unqualified interns he brought in as coordinators.  He was let go for that one main reason, and it isn't about being a "yes" man or a puppet.   

So, they scapegoated the coordinators.   I agree... they did have to go.   But, there's an old saying about where the buck stops.    Sirianni apparently likes to pass the buck.

As for the comparison to Doug... it seems that as long as Sirianni was fine with scapegoating the assistant coaches, he could stay.  Seems as though an ultimatum was given, likely the same one that they gave Doug.   The coordinators are going.   You can go with them, or you can stay and we will hire the guys we want.  

Doug wasn't the only one responsible for that crap show.  The WR corps Howie built hamstrung the offense FAR FAR more than Doug's schemes.  You can't expect the offense to do much with Travis Fulgham, Greg Ward, and Jalen Reagor as your top WRs.   Doug left... Sirianni came in, and so did DaVonta Smith.   The following year, AJ Brown.    Was the offensive turnaround a function of the talent or the scheme?   Seems it was largely talent related, because last year the scheme was complete milquetoast, but the team still ended up in good stead, at least when looking at the aggregate offensive stats.

 

Been watching up on WR prospects and I'm liking Trez Walker. Corley looks pretty good too.

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Been watching up on WR prospects and I'm liking Trez Walker. Corley looks pretty good too.

2 busts.

4 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't know where things level off in the NFL but even if the cap keeps going up teams can't keep paying star players $25+ million and QBs 50+ on a 52 man roster.

agreed

Green Bay has a ton of picks.  Any chance they give up 41, 58, and 91 for 22 and 120?

31 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

 

Falcons with Cousins are probably winning at least 11 games this year

34 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So, they scapegoated the coordinators.   I agree... they did have to go.   But, there's an old saying about where the buck stops.    Sirianni apparently likes to pass the buck.

As for the comparison to Doug... it seems that as long as Sirianni was fine with scapegoating the assistant coaches, he could stay.  Seems as though an ultimatum was given, likely the same one that they gave Doug.   The coordinators are going.   You can go with them, or you can stay and we will hire the guys we want.  

Doug wasn't the only one responsible for that crap show.  The WR corps Howie built hamstrung the offense FAR FAR more than Doug's schemes.  You can't expect the offense to do much with Travis Fulgham, Greg Ward, and Jalen Reagor as your top WRs.   Doug left... Sirianni came in, and so did DaVonta Smith.   The following year, AJ Brown.    Was the offensive turnaround a function of the talent or the scheme?   Seems it was largely talent related, because last year the scheme was complete milquetoast, but the team still ended up in good stead, at least when looking at the aggregate offensive stats.

I've always wondered if you have Wentz legitimate receivers like those does he have a longer career here. He didn't stay healthy because of the hero ball but how much of that was caused by the situation around him.

 

I hope Hurts kills it this year though and grows more in moores system and if the offense is good just make Kellen the hc or pay him like it so he stays.

3 hours ago, TEW said:

Agreed.

But if the Eagles determine that keeping him isn’t financially possible or pragmatic, then they need to move on ASAP while we can extract maximum value and replace him in an extremely deep WR class.

If, as you seem to be saying, Brown wants more than we can pay, what possible compensation can we expect from another team? It’s nonsense to think we can get maximum value when trading him, whatever that might be. How can you expect another team to pay him, say, $120M or more AND a high draft pick? We did it two years ago and now you’re saying, basically, we overpaid.

Hell Yea, give me some of that Kool Aid 

Sirius NFL had Jared Wiley TE from TCU on today.  Seems like a good prospect that night make it to the 4th round.  Any insights?

38 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So, they scapegoated the coordinators.   I agree... they did have to go.   But, there's an old saying about where the buck stops.    Sirianni apparently likes to pass the buck.

As for the comparison to Doug... it seems that as long as Sirianni was fine with scapegoating the assistant coaches, he could stay.  Seems as though an ultimatum was given, likely the same one that they gave Doug.   The coordinators are going.   You can go with them, or you can stay and we will hire the guys we want.  

Doug wasn't the only one responsible for that crap show.  The WR corps Howie built hamstrung the offense FAR FAR more than Doug's schemes.  You can't expect the offense to do much with Travis Fulgham, Greg Ward, and Jalen Reagor as your top WRs.   Doug left... Sirianni came in, and so did DaVonta Smith.   The following year, AJ Brown.    Was the offensive turnaround a function of the talent or the scheme?   Seems it was largely talent related, because last year the scheme was complete milquetoast, but the team still ended up in good stead, at least when looking at the aggregate offensive stats.

Sirianni may have been at fault for hiring the coordinators but they made their own bed with dreadful performance. He didn’t scapegoat them; they did it to themselves.

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

28, 128 and 133. 

 

57 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I'd probably rather add a 2025 pick since we already have so many picks this year, but that could work as well. 

A 120 point difference on the pick chart is equal to a 2024 late 3rd round pick - which they don’t have - or, hypothetically, a 2025 2nd round pick.

I don’t think they’d give up that 2nd to move up, but who knows? If so, obviously jump on it.

Assuming they wouldn’t, I’d take 128 this year and a 3rd next year. 128 should get us a decent OL, LB or WR prospect.

4 minutes ago, just relax said:

If, as you seem to be saying, Brown wants more than we can pay, what possible compensation can we expect from another team? It’s nonsense to think we can get maximum value when trading him, whatever that might be. How can you expect another team to pay him, say, $120M or more AND a high draft pick? We did it two years ago and now you’re saying, basically, we overpaid.

I think we could get a first round pick from a team that believes they are a stud WR away from Super Bowl contention. Brown is a true all-pro level WR and will still only be. Think of a team like the Ravens, for instance. Good defense, exciting QB. If they come up short again, and their WR situation is still up in the air, I’d have to think they’d be interested.

13 minutes ago, TEW said:

I think we could get a first round pick from a team that believes they are a stud WR away from Super Bowl contention. Brown is a true all-pro level WR and will still only be. Think of a team like the Ravens, for instance. Good defense, exciting QB. If they come up short again, and their WR situation is still up in the air, I’d have to think they’d be interested.

Interested, sure, but at that price? If we don’t want to pay that hefty salary what makes you think someone else will AND give up that top draft pick? It just doesn’t compute. We pay more than most to begin with.

I don't know who 3/4 of these guys are.

-Jordan Davis looks big

-Nolan Smith looks small

-Jordan Mailata carrying GoPro around. I wonder if it's exhausting recording mondain things like walking in to work? Is it 2nd nature for some folks now?

 

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't know who 3/4 of these guys are.

-Jordan Davis looks big

-Nolan Smith looks small

-Jordan Mailata carrying GoPro around. I wonder if it's exhausting recording mondain things like walking in to work? Is it 2nd nature for some folks now?

 

Jordan Davis

Jake Elliott

Tristin McCollum

Zech McPhearson?

Brett Toth

Landon Dickerson

Jordan Mailata

Cam Jurgens?

Lew Nichols? (no idea)

Sydney Brown

Kenny Pickett

Nolan Smith (looks very small)

Dallas Goedert

Brittain Covey

Reed Blakenship

Brandon Graham

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

I'd probably rather add a 2025 pick since we already have so many picks this year, but that could work as well. 

I’d probably stay put as I like the options at CB/OL where we are, and we might drop a tier by going back to 28; also I like the top 100 in this draft but am a bit wary of the day 3 talent.

29 minutes ago, just relax said:

Interested, sure, but at that price? If we don’t want to pay that hefty salary what makes you think someone else will AND give up that top draft pick? It just doesn’t compute. We pay more than most to begin with.

I think it would be a Terrell Owens situation where they think Brown gets them a ring.

They also wouldn’t have another receiver making big money.

A late first and a big contract for the missing piece is a trade I would make in their situation.

34 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I don't know who 3/4 of these guys are.

-Jordan Davis looks big

-Nolan Smith looks small

-Jordan Mailata carrying GoPro around. I wonder if it's exhausting recording mondain things like walking in to work? Is it 2nd nature for some folks now?

 

That hoodie makes Jordan Davis look fat  

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

So, the Eagles win 26 games in a 31-game stretch and reach the Super Bowl = all the players

And, the Eagles lose 6 of 7 to end last season = all the head coach

 

Sounds a bit "scapegoat-ish" to me.

Did you watch the games? On offense, they had no game plan against the blitz.  They went from a top 10 offense to a highly dysfunctional one.  Defensively there was a lack of talent in the secondary.  The defense also just did not function well.  

20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Jordan Davis

Jake Elliott

Tristin McCollum

Zech McPhearson?

Brett Toth

Landon Dickerson

Jordan Mailata

Cam Jurgens?

Lew Nichols? (no idea)

Sydney Brown

Kenny Pickett

Nolan Smith (looks very small)

Dallas Goedert

Brittain Covey

Reed Blakenship

Brandon Graham

Brittain Covey looks pretty good for a 40 year old. 

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

Did you watch the games? On offense, they had no game plan against the blitz.  They went from a top 10 offense to a highly dysfunctional one.  Defensively there was a lack of talent in the secondary.  The defense also just did not function well.  

No, I missed them.  How'd we do?

You're describing a coordinator issue on offense and a GM issue on defense.

52 minutes ago, just relax said:

Sirianni may have been at fault for hiring the coordinators but they made their own bed with dreadful performance. He didn’t scapegoat them; they did it to themselves.

He did admit that the offense was his every time he defended Johnson.  But I think he remedied that by hiring Moore.  The new offense will be a hybrid of Nick’s and Moore’s.   He had to do something about Desai’s awful play calling (his third down decisions were awful) but I really think if we were at the bar with Nick drinking and he could be frank and honest that he would admit the Patricia move fell flat on its face.  

Nick and Vic made several changes in the defensive coaching staff that now mirrors more what his original staff looked like.  The secondary coaching staff was completely redone.  There is a passing coordinator/defensive backs coach like there was with Wilson.  No nickel coach, but a safeties coach again.  Roy Anderson is the opposite of Harper in experience.  (Harper was like the consolation prize selection when Wilson left (so there would be no conflict with Desai.)  Vic also has a more experienced Hurtt back with him.  That game planning group of Vic, Hurrt and Parker is much more likely to succeed that the combo of Desai and Patricia.