1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Kellen Moore is younger than Sirainni...  .

I remember watching him, Foles and Keenum predraft.  The 1st round QBs weren’t doing the Combine of other pre draft things so those three were thrown together.  Foles looked the part but was inconsistent (always was) and had this incredibly long wind up in his throw.  But you could see he was working on fixing the mechanics.  Keenum was too small and had a mediocre arm but he was (and is) the NCAA record holder for TDs and yards.  You could tell he could read defenses.  Moore had no arm, was short and light. But when it came to talking about plays, schemes and the nuances of the offenses, he blew me away.  I said, that kid is ready to be a coach already.  Now Case is still playing.  Wouldn’t be surprised to see him coach QBs some day but Moore, he will be an OC a long time and probably get shots at HC.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Howie trying to take credit yesterday for Rasul Douglas is some funny stuff, as if drafting to actually fit your coordinator’s defense is beside the point. 

coordinators, and even more so, position coaches changed quite often in Howie's first couple of years. 

He had 1 gap DL and they started 2 gapping. He drafted 2 gappers, and they went back to 1 gap.

Scheme changes in the secondary happened as well. 

 

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

coordinators, and even more so, position coaches changed quite often in Howie's first couple of years. 

He had 1 gap DL and they started 2 gapping. He drafted 2 gappers, and they went back to 1 gap.

Scheme changes in the secondary happened as well. 

What was the scheme change under Schwartz after Rasul was drafted?

Just now, ManuManu said:

What was the scheme change under Schwartz after Rasul was drafted?

None.

Cory Undlin was the Secondary coach all three years under Schwartz as the DC while Rasul was here.

Equally, Poyer was here for 4 games... deactivated for two and waived after Week 6.  No scheme change during those 6 months from April to October while he was here... 

Schwartz couldn't develop rookies/young players. That was THE problem during his tenure. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I've been saying it for years.   People have tried to credit Howie for Jordan Poyer for years... and yet, that selection provided the Eagles with pretty much zero value.   He did nothing here.  He went to Cleveland and did nothing there.   Then ended up in Buffalo and excelled.   It had nothing to do with Howie and the selection provided the Eagles with absolutely no return on their investment.

 

"I bought Intel at $6 a share... then sold it at $5.90... but I knew it was going to be big one day."   I'm an investment genius!

To be fair could it be that the coaching staffs didn't use him to his best abilities and he was in a bad fit schematically until he got to Buffalo. Similar to what happened with Reddick? Sometimes guys are late bloomers unfortunately and coaches give up on them. Howie hires the coaches but at some point the accountability falls on the staff as well to develop these guys and get the most out of them. There are multiple points of failure when it comes to draft prospects. It really is a crap shoot. The success rates across the league say so. To me it's more damning to the coaching staff when guys excel elsewhere. Like wtf you were too rigid to figure out how to use the guy to his strengths. That grinds my gears.

8 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I named Peters because he was here and has been celebrated for his longevity.

The list of all pro linemen who are ineffective at 35 is a lot longer than the list of those who are playing at a high level. 

Cross that bridge when you come to it.

Just now, judunno said:

To be fair could it be that the coaching staffs didn't use him to his best abilities and was he was in a bad fit schematically until he got to Buffalo. Similar to what happened with Reddick? Sometimes guys are late bloomers unfortunately and coaches give up on them. Howie hires the coaches but at some point the accountability falls on the staff as well to develop these guys. There are multiple points of failure when it comes to draft prospects. It really is a crap shoot. The success rates across the league say so. To me it's more damning to the coaching staff when guys excel elsewhere. Like wtf you were too rigid to figure out how to use the guy to his strengths. That grinds my gears.

The job of the GM is to get players that fit the schemes of the coaches the GM hires.   These moves don't happen independent of the GM.  The GM is responsible for coaching changes.  The GM is responsible for player acquisition.   The GM is responsible for bringing in scouts that can identify players at ALL positions, not that have blind spots at finding WRs in the draft, etc.  

All these things fall under the purview of the GM.  It's all part of his job.   The buck stops with the GM.  He's in charge of all football operations.  If there's a problem, he played a role in it at some level.

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I think 6 months of rehab is pretty normal after a surgery for a lis franc injury.  

I guess I didn't realize he had a full blown Lis Franc. Did they ever specify that? I remember being terrified of hearing about that injury once Duce Staley did it.

 

 

My top 5 scenarios for the Eagles in round 1 ranked from most likely to least. Subject to change by Thursday.

1. Trade up for Arnold or Mitchell

2. Trade up for OT—most likely Fautanu or Latham.

3. Stick and pick DeJean at 22.

4. Take Mims or Guyton at 22.

5. Take Latu or Verse at 22.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

My top 5 scenarios for the Eagles in round 1 ranked from most likely to least. Subject to change by Thursday.

1. Trade up for Arnold or Mitchell

2. Trade up for OT—most likely Fautanu or Latham.

3. Stick and pick DeJean at 22.

4. Take Mims or Guyton at 22.

5. Take Latu or Verse at 22.

Man, if Howie does #3 instead of #5 with those players available, that would be a horse pill to swallow.  

6 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

So if Arnold and DeJean are sitting on the board at 22, which do you grab?

And if anyone posts a RAS compare chart as a response I will find them and kick them directly the bean bag I swear. 

I understand that you feel very strongly against Objective Data,  especially when it goes against your guy.

1.  DeJean
2.  Wiggins
3. Q Mitchell

49 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

So is BB.  But Saban was a coverage genius through to his retirement. Because of that, be cautious with Arnold and Kool Aid. 

I don't think BB is done.  He's too close to the wins record and some team next off season will give him a job as HC.

What's taking so long with the Isaiah Rodgers decision? You'd think having that information before the draft would be a huge help.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The job of the GM is to get players that fit the schemes of the coaches the GM hires.   These moves don't happen independent of the GM.  The GM is responsible for coaching changes.  The GM is responsible for player acquisition.   The GM is responsible for bringing in scouts that can identify players at ALL positions, not that have blind spots at finding WRs in the draft, etc.  

All these things fall under the purview of the GM.  It's all part of his job.   The buck stops with the GM.  He's in charge of all football operations.  If there's a problem, he played a role in it at some level.

And the coaching staffs have input on this as well. The GM has final say but he's not picking these guys out of a hat.

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Solak isn’t a fan of Edgerrin Cooper. Says he’s good with no one in front of him but doesn’t like him moving backwards, laterally, or taking on blockers. Said he’s a Devin White clone.

Likes Colson a lot more for the Eagles in round 2 of the linebackers. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, judunno said:

And the coaching staffs have input on this as well. The GM has final say but he's not picking these guys out of a hat.

Andre Dillard disagrees.  

 

Howie deserves to take some lumps... and he doesn't deserve to take a bow for Rasul Douglas' success elsewhere.   The Eagles got NO benefit from his development elsewhere.   Check Douglas' transaction history.  He was here for 3 full seasons.  Then was cut prior to the 2020 season.   Picked up by the Panthers, then the Raiders, then the Texans, then the Cardinals... and finally landed with the Packers as an emergency injury replacement signed off the Cardinals' PS.    In what way is Howie connected to his success?   And check the CBs that they kept in place of him in 2020.  Are any of them still in the league other than Slay and Maddux?   Someone made the decision to dump Douglas in favor of those others.  Howie was part of that decision, and the decision to bring in those others.   Howie didn't succeed with Douglas.  He failed.  And even Howie's biggest fans should be willing to admit that.

42 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What was the scheme change under Schwartz after Rasul was drafted?

If you remember, they drafted him and he was a zone CB. But they traded for Darby who was said to be an excellent press coverage guy. And then the CBs were made to play off man. Which fit the strengths of neither of those guys. 

They were trying to get bigger and better at pressing. Then Schwartz never had his guys press. He had a bunch of slower zone CBs playing man. 

Under Joe Douglas it was a mismatched hodgepodge of talent with no rhyme or reason. 

 

The year before that was Mills, and the year before that was Eric Row who was a player without a home, and JaCorey Shepherd.

So you went from a few years of Chip Kelly and his right hand man screwing things up, to Joe Douglas's terrible draft boards that didnt fit team needs.

 

Interesting, and rather amusing discussion of what reportedly went sideways between Belichick and the Falcons, and Kraft's role in it:

 

 

20 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I understand that you feel very strongly against Objective Data,  especially when it goes against your guy.

1.  DeJean
2.  Wiggins
3. Q Mitchell

Who's "my guy"? I don't watch college football so I don't have a lot of skin in this game outside of wanting to make the team better.

9 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Solak isn’t a fan of Edgerrin Cooper. Says he’s good with no one in front of him but doesn’t like him moving backwards, laterally, or taking on blockers. Said he’s a Devin White clone.

Likes Colson a lot more for the Eagles in round 2 of the linebackers. 

Solak is correct on this one. Cooper has 0 LB skills. Hes just an athlete out there who needs to be kept clean.