7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

People always want to do a hypothetical trade of a key player and claim it's out of boredom every offseason

 

 

16 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I love the movie Draft Day. People who get bent out of shape because a fictional movie is not as boring as real life need to relax

Amen, you pancake-eating mothaFa.

15 hours ago, ManuManu said:

That movie sucks.

Fighting words.

26 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

What would you trade DeVonta Smith for?

Fighting your kid in the parking lot words.

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Guys. There's $42mm in dead cap if we trade AJ at the draft. 

IT IS NOT HAPPENING.

Everyone knows the cap isn't real.  And there was a poll about it on WIP. 

15 hours ago, devpool said:

To win? Yea, it is. How is that affecting the outcome or integrity of the game? Is he not already trying to win?

Uhh, if he knows Jonathan Taylor is injured and won't play, he can bet the under on him rushing for over 100 yards. He has inside information that is not available to the public. That puts him at a huge advantage. He knows the offensive game plan before the game. Again, that puts him at a huge advantage. The list goes on.

34 minutes ago, just relax said:

There are 31 other teams.

And yet I only need one counterexample to prove that "always trading back is the right answer" is BS.  

3 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I don't buy any of the AJ Brown stuff right now, but just to play along...Marvin Harrison Jr. is sitting there at 3. AJ Brown, 22 and Tanner McKee to NE for pick 3.

Isn't that what the Titans did? They traded AJ Brown to try and draft... AJ Brown. And it blew up in their face.

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

Isn't that what the Titans did? They traded AJ Brown to try and draft... AJ Brown. And it blew up in their face.

Something similar, yeah.  But MHJ is a different sort of player.  I’d be shocked if he was the best WR in the NFL within a year or two.  He’s a rare prospect.  If AJ’s cap hit wasn’t so daunting, it would be at least worth a discussion.  But it is, so it’s really not

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Alec Lewis has a terrific article in The Athletic about drafting: NFL teams know the best way to draft, so why aren’t they doing it?

The short answer is TRADE BACK, NEVER UP.

Interestingly, the article makes the argument that "The treasured No. 1 pick in the draft is actually the least valuable in the first round, according to the surplus value a team can create with each pick.”

 

If you liked that, you will like this (pff subscription) - https://www.pff.com/news/draft-surplus-value-of-each-position-in-the-nfl-draft

31 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Ringo is not keeping a first round draft pick off the field.  The Eagles might have used a 2024 3rd round pick to draft him, but he was evaluated by the league as a 4th round talent by being drafted #105 overall.

hate that rationale.  most had him dubbed as a top 10-20 pick leading up to his last year in college.  be interested to see what he looks like this year.  i still think we go OL or DL in round 1.  

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Alec Lewis has a terrific article in The Athletic about drafting: NFL teams know the best way to draft, so why aren’t they doing it?

The short answer is TRADE BACK, NEVER UP.

Interestingly, the article makes the argument that "The treasured No. 1 pick in the draft is actually the least valuable in the first round, according to the surplus value a team can create with each pick.”

 

I think it was Gil Brandt who said most drafts only really have 15 first round talents, and that it's easy to get a top 15 pick right; the actual first round where teams have to put the work in is picks 16-47 and should be considered its own round.

I think if you can trade into the top 10 without paying a steep cost then it should be explored, but every situation is different.  As a case-by-case basis, the Eagles go into the 2024 draft with "needs" at virtually every position other than QB (leaving kicker/punter/LS out of the equation):

RB -- Barkley, Gainwell, ???, ???

OL -- if Steen is set at RG (if) the starting 5 is set, but very little depth.  Need a swing OT, depth at OG

TE -- Goedert, ???, ???

WR -- Brown, Smith, ???, ???

 

DT -- Davis, Carter, Williams, ???

DE/EDGE -- Sweat, Graham, Huff, N. Smith ..... there's no true DE there other than Graham.  I don't trust Sweat to defend the edge or running game

LB -- White, Dean, ??? ..... really, they're all question marks here

S -- CJGJ, Blankenship.  Could upgrade Reed for sure

NCB -- Maddox, Gamblor (?)

CB -- Bradberry, Slay, Ringo, Ricks, etc.  Either old or unproven

1 hour ago, RLC said:

Nah. Prime trade candidate in 2024. 

We have to draft a WR on day 2 in this year's draft. 

 

Terrible idea.

 

AJ Brown should be extended.

6 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

hate that rationale.  most had him dubbed as a top 10-20 pick leading up to his last year in college.  be interested to see what he looks like this year.  i still think we go OL or DL in round 1.  

and that's what we as fans don't really know.  Perhaps Fangio is in full agreement with you on Ringo .... but the Eagles actions seem to disagree, and they have visited with virtually every highly-rated CB in this pre-draft process.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

and that's what we as fans don't really know.  Perhaps Fangio is in full agreement with you on Ringo .... but the Eagles actions seem to disagree, and they have visited with virtually every highly-rated CB in this pre-draft process.

They likely will need a starter to replace Slay in 2025 even if Ringo is good. 

They don't have a future nickel corner either. Wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles doubled up on CB in this draft actually. CB in round 1, and a guy like Melton on day 2.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

and that's what we as fans don't really know.  Perhaps Fangio is in full agreement with you on Ringo .... but the Eagles actions seem to disagree, and they have visited with virtually every highly-rated CB in this pre-draft process.

I think that's more because the top cbs are expected to go within striking distance of 22 more than it indicates they are definitely going cb. They have also met with first-round prospects at OT and edge.

He could have asked Lurie to donate it on his behalf and then rework the contract to save the cap space. What a selfish jerk

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Alec Lewis has a terrific article in The Athletic about drafting: NFL teams know the best way to draft, so why aren’t they doing it?

The short answer is TRADE BACK, NEVER UP.

Interestingly, the article makes the argument that "The treasured No. 1 pick in the draft is actually the least valuable in the first round, according to the surplus value a team can create with each pick.”

 

I tend to agree, just as the "time value of draft picks” is discounted such that you should almost always trade present picks for future picks.

That said, the "hit rate” decay by round is about 50%, and you only have 53 roster spots, so there is some point where mass accumulation of lower picks hits a bottle neck.

I think in a perfect world, you sacrifice two or three years of first round picks and push that value into the future to position yourself to always have that "interest payment” of extra seconds and thirds.

You might never get the utility of the extra first round pick, but over time picking in the top 100 two or three extra times per year should net you more starting caliber players. And the upside is if you hit on multiple of those extra picks in a close time proximity, it can put your team over the top rather quickly.

 

21 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

They don't have a future nickel corner either. Wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles doubled up on CB in this draft actually. CB in round 1, and a guy like Melton on day 2.

I’d be pretty shocked if we double up on corner. We have a ton of guys already and can only carry 6 on the 53 man roster. Slay, Bradburry, Ringo, Maddox, and Ricks plus we might have Rodgers coming back.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

 

IMO if you share a geographical name with another team, it is your responsibility to take that extra step to make sure your apparel will always be specifically identifiable with your team.

Remove the hat and say it’s a Yankees jersey and no one would be the wiser

What does everyone think of Elijah Jones?  Older CB prospect (turned 24 in in January).  Good sized at 6 foot 2 but only 185 pounds.    7 interceptions and 22 pass deflections total over the past 2 years.  4.44 40 with 42.5 vert

 

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

 

Are those done as a tribute to the City Department Of Sanitation?  Because, they're garbage

 

 

Spoiler

 

23 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

What does everyone think of Elijah Jones?  Older CB prospect (turned 24 in in January).  Good sized at 6 foot 2 but only 185 pounds.    7 interceptions and 22 pass deflections total over the past 2 years.  4.44 40 with 42.5 vert

 

Very good.  

For me it's really hard to evaluate Corners.  Like I'm sure both guys from Alabama are really good but how long do each have to cover when the D-Line gets to the QB so quickly vs other corners.  They can take a lot more chances