44 minutes ago, TEW said:

But what he played in college and what he plays in the NFL are two different things. Most people don’t view him as a boundary corner in the NFL. They see him as either a safety or nickel hybrid.

That’s kind of the point.

Have you paid attention to why? Is it a matter of them thinking he can't? Or is it acknowledging where his playmaker ability is better utilized?

For me it's the latter.

My top tier elite round 1 wants with a trade up, maybe DeJean makes it to 22 but I'm doubtful now. If the rest of the guys are picked and he is there around 17 and Howie has caught wind a team is going to jump up or snag him, then pull the trigger to go up. 

• CB's Mitchell, Arnold ; OG's Fuaga, Fautanu, Latham ; S DeJean ; DE Verse 

Tier 2 with staying put or even trade back.

• CB Kool Aid ; EDGE Latu (neck scares me) ; DT Murphy (not crazy about the size/length) ; WR Brian Thomas Jr. (though I do not want to go WR round 1)

Third option would be to trade for Patrick Surtain. The Broncos need the picks to move for a QB. I'd offer 22 plus a 5th and negotiate from there. 

Fourth option is to trade back some and target a quality day 2 pick for next year which will be a stronger draft. 

 

45 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Third option would be to trade for Patrick Surtain. The Broncos need the picks to move for a QB. I'd offer 22 plus a 5th and negotiate from there. 

I'd consider it Christmas in April if the Broncos parted with Surtain for only 22 and a 5th.  Unfortunately, there’s probably a better chance that EagleVA’s opinion of the earth’s shape being accurate than that happening.

56 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Have you paid attention to why? Is it a matter of them thinking he can't? Or is it acknowledging where his playmaker ability is better utilized?

For me it's the latter.

Or you are just wrong again…

4 minutes ago, McMVP said:

I'd consider it Christmas in April if the Broncos parted with Surtain for only 22 and a 5th.  Unfortunately, there’s probably a better chance that EagleVA’s opinion of the earth’s shape being accurate than that happening.

I would negotiate off of that. But it's just an option, I don't think I could do 22 & 53. I love him but we will need to make him the number 1 paid CB in the league, that should lessen the compensation a bit. Maybe we can steal Horn but we have to hope he got all the major injuries out of his system. Lattimore probably can be stolen as well but he wants a new deal. 

Question was asked, "What was the worst cap situation your team has ever been in?”

so I said

 

Probably never. No one was really in cap hell when it first started, and we’ve had Banner or Roseman since 1999.

But if there had to be a year… 2016 probably. Chip Kelly brought in a bunch of terrible FA contracts, and it took Howie a year to sift them out, and then we won the SB in 2017.

Pretty tough to imagine the Eagles not drafting a CB with one of their first 3 picks, so if Howie stays put at #22 and drafts something other than CB they would have to have a strong attachment to someone they feel will still be available at #50.

1 hour ago, greendestiny27 said:

Third option would be to trade for Patrick Surtain. The Broncos need the picks to move for a QB. I'd offer 22 plus a 5th and negotiate from there. 

 

I think the more realistic trade might be Jaycee Horn.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

There is no chance he is 190. He wouldnt be 190 holding my french bulldog

Ehh… he’s 6 feet tall and came into the NFL at 170. He’s had 3 offseasons to workout. Yes, he’s naturally thin, but I would believe a bloated 190 where he cuts 10 pounds in training camp for a net of 10 pounds of lean muscle.

14 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Just my personal opinion more than anything. Saquon doesn't have the best bill of health, isn't young and his contract is more or less a 2-year deal. Gainwell is a JAG backup. Would be nice to have a 3rd reliable option. 

Barkley, Hurts, Gainwell 

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Have you paid attention to why? Is it a matter of them thinking he can't? Or is it acknowledging where his playmaker ability is better utilized?

For me it's the latter.

Both. I agree the upside with him is the latter, but the downside is the former. One of his weaknesses is change of direction, which is a sine qua non of playing as a boundary corner.

Here's a potential scenario for draft day. The Eagles decide not to / are unable to trade up. The elite corners are off the board (Mitchell, Arnold), and so are the elite offensive lineman (Alt, Fashanu, Latham, Fautanu, Fuaga). That leaves the most likely and realistic options as Kool-Aid, Mims, Guyton, Barton, and Latu. I am leaving Wiggins out of the mix as I think he's a really bad fit in the Fangio scheme. Who would you take?

For me I love Latu but the neck injury is too big of a risk. I know there has been some recent buzz about Barton but I think the other two OL are clearly better than him. I like Kool-Aid but I think the upside of getting a future starting RT and immediate backup where we are one Lane Johnson injury away from being fuct is a big factor. I also like the corners they could get in round 2 much better than the OL.

So for me it would come down to Mims and Guyton and I just think Mims is the perfect guy for Stoutland to work with for a year or two before he becomes a starter. I like Guyton but I honestly think while there is more risk Mims has the upside to be one of the best tackles to come out of this draft.

What does everyone else think?

4 minutes ago, TEW said:

Ehh… he’s 6 feet tall and came into the NFL at 170. He’s had 3 offseasons to workout. Yes, he’s naturally thin, but I would believe a bloated 190 where he cuts 10 pounds in training camp for a net of 10 pounds of lean muscle.

I'm just not buying it. This is DeVonta Smith who lives his life like a 13 year old boy. He's admitted to eating absolute junk and sleeps 4 hours a day. With his natural metabolism, there's just no way he's putting 20 pounds of muscle on his frame. Especially considering he hasn't gained a pound since he's entered the league. We're supposed to believe all of the sudden he's put on 20 pounds of lean muscle since January? 

14 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Question was asked, "What was the worst cap situation your team has ever been in?”

so I said

 

Probably never. No one was really in cap hell when it first started, and we’ve had Banner or Roseman since 1999.

But if there had to be a year… 2016 probably. Chip Kelly brought in a bunch of terrible FA contracts, and it took Howie a year to sift them out, and then we won the SB in 2017.

2021 is my answer. The prize of that free agent class was Anthony Harris and Eric Wilson followed by Ryan Kerrigan. That was an awful year compounded by COVID and Wentz demanding a trade. 

Just now, bpac55 said:

I'm just not buying it. This is DeVonta Smith who lives his life like a 13 year old boy. He's admitted to eating absolute junk and sleeps 4 hours a day. With his natural metabolism, there's just no way he's putting 20 pounds of muscle on his frame. Especially considering he hasn't gained a pound since he's entered the league. We're supposed to believe all of the sudden he's put on 20 pounds of lean muscle since January? 

Agreed.

Read what I said again. It’s NOT 20 pounds of lean muscle. He’ll cut 10 pounds or so for a net gain of 5-10 pounds of lean muscle.

The fact that he didn’t sleep and ate poorly in the past is a good indication that if he spent the offseason fixing these things he could make significant gains.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

Agreed.

Read what I said again. It’s NOT 20 pounds of lean muscle. He’ll cut 10 pounds or so for a net gain of 5-10 pounds of lean muscle.

The fact that he didn’t sleep and ate poorly in the past is a good indication that if he spent the offseason fixing these things he could make significant gains.

What would he have have to eat though to gain a combined 20 pounds of muscle and fat though? If he can eat whatever he wants and not gain weight, I can't imagine what he'd have to eat to actually gain and gain a lot. 

You would see 20 pounds SOMEWHERE on him, baggy t shirt or not. There was also a picture I shared of him a week ago in the weight room and he never looked skinnier. 

 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What would he have have to eat though to gain a combined 20 pounds of muscle and fat though? If he can eat whatever he wants and not gain weight, I can't imagine what he'd have to eat to actually gain and gain a lot. 

You would see 20 pounds SOMEWHERE on him, baggy t shirt or not. There was also a picture I shared of him a week ago in the weight room and he never looked skinnier. 

 

It takes about a 3,000 calorie surplus per pound of additional body weight (depending on muscle or fat, it can be more or less).

So he’s had 14 weeks to have a cumulative 60K calorie surplus. That’s 4,200 calories per week or 600 per day. Thats easily achievable. Literally just eat 1 extra meal per day.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

It takes about a 3,000 calorie surplus per pound of additional body weight (depending on muscle or fat, it can be more or less).

So he’s had 14 weeks to have a cumulative 60K calorie surplus. That’s 4,200 calories per week or 600 per day. Thats easily achievable. Literally just eat 1 extra meal per day.

Oh I know. I'm in a cutting phase right now, have taken about 400 calories/day off my diet. Everyone is different and I think for DeVonta Smith, he would have to eat WAY more than 600 calories extra per day to gain weight given his natural metabolism. I hope he's gained weight, and there's a good chance he has. There have been more than one comments about it by outsiders. I just don't think 20 pounds is realistic. Just no way he's gained 12% of his body weight in 5 months time. 

Not arguing with your thought process. I'm big in to weightlifting, body composition and such and really trying to tweak how I eat and workout as I get older. Just don't him gaining that much weight. Now, if he was someone like Donovan McNabb or Corey Simon, 20 pounds in 5 months is easy.

Who FN cares what Devonta weighs. He's a great WR whether he's 170, 180, 190, etc.

39 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

What would he have have to eat though to gain a combined 20 pounds of muscle and fat though? If he can eat whatever he wants and not gain weight, I can't imagine what he'd have to eat to actually gain and gain a lot. 

You would see 20 pounds SOMEWHERE on him, baggy t shirt or not. There was also a picture I shared of him a week ago in the weight room and he never looked skinnier. 

 

There's 15 or 16 lbs on his lap. Are you blind?

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Who FN cares what Devonta weighs. He's a great WR whether he's 170, 180, 190, etc.

At this point I think he’s shown his lack of size really doesn’t matter.

50 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

That leaves the most likely and realistic options as Kool-Aid, Mims, Guyton, Barton, and Latu.

What does everyone else think?

Assuming DeJean is available as well, my preference would be Latu, DeJean and McKinstry in that order.

As far as Latu's injury, he hasn't had an issue in two years, so I don't think it's a huge problem. And the juice is worth the squeeze in his case. And with Sweat and Graham likely not here next year, DE is a need.

They don't need to draft oline in the first round. The one thing the team has done better than any other team in the league, and by a pretty considerable margin, is develop late-round olinemen into serviceable starters. If you can win a Super Bowl with Vaitai as your left tackle, you can certainly win one with some random third-rounder as your right tackle.

The defense needs talent. Add some late rounders to the oline mix late in the draft, and Stoutland will have them playing at a serviceable level. But our defense was arguably the worst in the league last year. And we ain't fixing that problem with Zach Baun.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

Good stuff. I suspect that the reason Saban teaches more Man Match than Fangio is because of the placement of the hash marks on the college field. With the wider hash marks in the college game the difference between a boundary corner and a field corner is more pronounced. The boundary corner gets less safety help than the field corner so he has to be better in coverage and in run support because he doesn't get the safety support that the field corner gets. In general, scouting reports on corners don't get into the distinction but I think it's an important one. My sense of what Alabama did was play McKinstry as the boundary corner more than Arnold. It may not mean much because both are so good but It does cause me to lean a touch more toward McKinstry.. Am I full of crap here?

P.S. DeJean was definitely the boundary corner at Iowa.

4 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Who FN cares what Devonta weighs. He's a great WR whether he's 170, 180, 190, etc.

I don't care. I'm fine with what he weighs, no issues whatsoever. Just discussing the claim that he's put on 20 pounds since January.