RIP

6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

 

RIP

#5 will always love you.

15 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Ive really been enjoying these videos on each position over the last 2 days. Planning to watch them all. I love this guys rankings. Even if they arent exactly the same as mine, he and I seem to see the players exactly the same on evaluations. For example, he has Cooper as LB1 which I dont agree with. But his analysis is that he is asked to do next to nothing in coverage, and is basically just a spy player. Spot on.

This one is for you @just relax. The OL episode. Tons of prospects covered.

Id highly recommend these videos for anyone. Especially if you have had little time to study players yourself. This guy will run you through almost the entire class pretty quickly.

 

Fantastic stuff.  I probably watched no more than a quarter of these guys, if that. I was very impressed with his breakdown of Michigan O linemen. Absolutely spot on. He also firmed up my preference for Latham over any of these guys and made the notion of drafting Mims much more attractive to me. Mims and Stoutland could be a perfect match.

Anyway, thank you for posting this.🙏

14 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Assuming DeJean is available as well, my preference would be Latu, DeJean and McKinstry in that order.

As far as Latu's injury, he hasn't had an issue in two years, so I don't think it's a huge problem. And the juice is worth the squeeze in his case. And with Sweat and Graham likely not here next year, DE is a need.

They don't need to draft oline in the first round. The one thing the team has done better than any other team in the league, and by a pretty considerable margin, is develop late-round olinemen into serviceable starters. If you can win a Super Bowl with Vaitai as your left tackle, you can certainly win one with some random third-rounder as your right tackle.

The defense needs talent. Add some late rounders to the oline mix late in the draft, and Stoutland will have them playing at a serviceable level. But our defense was arguably the worst in the league last year. And we ain't fixing that problem with Zach Baun.

I meant to add Dejean in the list of elite corners who were gone. I agree, if Dejean is there and Mitchell and Arnold are gone we should take him, short of Alt or Turner somehow being there at 22 which won't happen.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Or you are just wrong again…

that is not the case here. 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

Both. I agree the upside with him is the latter, but the downside is the former. One of his weaknesses is change of direction, which is a sine qua non of playing as a boundary corner.

There are plenty of boundary corners who have some hip stiffness. Hes not like Adam Archuletta out there.

7 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

I like Wright from Tenn

but i really dont feel like we know what Moore wants in an RB. Will barkley be his zeke here? If so maybe a complimemtary back similar to what he had in Dallas? Just not sure

Moore used 2 RBs at the same time,  yes?   Zeke and Pollard?

26 minutes ago, just relax said:

Fantastic stuff.  I probably watched no more than a quarter of these guys, if that. I was very impressed with his breakdown of Michigan O linemen. Absolutely spot on. He also firmed up my preference for Latham over any of these guys and made the notion of drafting Mims much more attractive to me. Mims and Stoutland could be a perfect match.

Anyway, thank you for posting this.🙏

Those videos are great because he runs through a huge group of guys with pretty detailed analysis, pretty quickly. He also gives you a list of guys he hasnt watched yet, so it just gives you exposure to a ton of guys. You can hear what he says about them, and then go do some of your own research on those you havent heard of or havent paid attention to. 

Ive added maybe 2 players to my own list, and a couple more UDFAs thanks to his videos. 

I really love that the WR video gets in to guys like Vele and Whittington who I like and no other draft podcase on youtuve has ever gone that deep. The Janke brothers are mentioned, and a whole bunch of others. He said a bunch of the same things Ive said about Roman Wilson and was the most realistic person I have heard talk about Corley.

Covered a bunch of LBs that no one has talked about yet as well. Really enjoyed that one.

I havent gotten in to DL or CBs yet. Planning to do that here very soon.

I agree on Mims. I still think thats Howie's guy if he is there at 22, although I want DeJean.

Let's do a Howie Roseman 1st round review.  He's been GM long enough that there should be a formal pattern analysis at this point.  He's been GM 2010-2014 (skip 2015) and then 2016-present.  Let's look at every pick:

2010: Brandon Graham.  DE. trade up. 4th year player.  Perceived need at the time.  Good, not great raw athleticism.  Just OK pick (Fight me on that).  This pick also may have been more AR than Howie.

2011: Danny Watkins.  OG.  Stay put.  Very old.  Need.  Marginal athleticism.  Terrible pick.  Likely an AR pick.

2012:  Fletcher Cox.  DT.  Trade up.  Junior/young.  Not a huge need.  Elite athleticism.  Great pick.  AR had fingerprints on this too.

2013: Lane Johnson.  OT.  Stay put.  Senior.  Not a forced need (everything was a need that year).  Elite athleticism.  Great pick.

2014: Marcus Smith.  DE.  Trade down.  Senior.  Not a huge need.  Marginal athleticism.  Terrible pick.

2015: Nelson Agholor: Ignore, pure Chip pick.

2016:  Carson Wentz.  Ignoring this one because QB is it's own rare animal.

2017:  Derek Barnett.  DE.  Stay put.  Junior/young.  Not a huge need.  Very poor athleticism.  Bad pick. 

2019:  Andre Dillard.  OT.  Trade up.  Older.  Need.  Excellent athleticism.  Bad pick.

2020: Jalen Reagor.  WR.  Stay put.  Junior/young.  Need.  Hyped as an uber athlete, but the combine showed he really only had OK athleticism.  Bad pick.

2021: Devonta Smith.  WR. Trade up.  Senior.  Need.  Marginal athlete.  Great pick.

2022: Jordan Davis.  DT.  Trade up.  Senior.  Not a huge need.  Uber athlete.  TBD, but not looking good.

2023:
Jalen Carter.  DT.  Trade up.  Junior.  Not a need.  Great athlete.  TBD, but looking good.
Nolan Smith.  DE/OLB.  Stay put.  Senior.  Not a need.  Uber athlete.  TBD.

 

So what does this tell us?  For one, Howie, despite all his exploits, really doesn't do a great job in the first round.  In general, he is exclusively looking at OT, DL, WR  (although this year legitimately may force them to CB).  He tends to do better aggressively trading up for younger, more explosive athletes than he does letting the draft break to him with older, less explosive players.  (And he tends to prefer attacking the draft with the former option).  

In fact, the only time we've had a successful 1st round pick when NOT trading up was Lane Johnson...and he barely counts considering he was a top 5 pick.

48 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

There are plenty of boundary corners who have some hip stiffness. Hes not like Adam Archuletta out there.

You’re asking why he would drop and I’m telling you. Stiffness and injury are plenty of reason.

30 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Moore used 2 RBs at the same time,  yes?   Zeke and Pollard?

I love Lloyd but I think he goes later round 2/early round 3, going to be one of the better ones out of this draft I feel. I just don't see us being able to get him due to the lack of picks in that vicinity plus we spent a lot on RB already. But I think combined with Saquan, it would be devastating and one of the best combo's in the league. I will not be mad with a Lloyd selection in round 2 even, maybe with a trade back from say 53. Also points to us really committing to running the ball under Moore. 

19 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Let's do a Howie Roseman 1st round review.  He's been GM long enough that there should be a formal pattern analysis at this point.  He's been GM 2010-2014 (skip 2015) and then 2016-present.  Let's look at every pick:

2010: Brandon Graham.  DE. trade up. 4th year player.  Perceived need at the time.  Good, not great raw athleticism.  Just OK pick (Fight me on that).  This pick also may have been more AR than Howie.

2011: Danny Watkins.  OG.  Stay put.  Very old.  Need.  Marginal athleticism.  Terrible pick.  Likely an AR pick.

2012:  Fletcher Cox.  DT.  Trade up.  Junior/young.  Not a huge need.  Elite athleticism.  Great pick.  AR had fingerprints on this too.

2013: Lane Johnson.  OT.  Stay put.  Senior.  Not a forced need (everything was a need that year).  Elite athleticism.  Great pick.

2014: Marcus Smith.  DE.  Trade down.  Senior.  Not a huge need.  Marginal athleticism.  Terrible pick.

2015: Nelson Agholor: Ignore, pure Chip pick.

2016:  Carson Wentz.  Ignoring this one because QB is it's own rare animal.

2017:  Derek Barnett.  DE.  Stay put.  Junior/young.  Not a huge need.  Very poor athleticism.  Bad pick. 

2019:  Andre Dillard.  OT.  Trade up.  Older.  Need.  Excellent athleticism.  Bad pick.

2020: Jalen Reagor.  WR.  Stay put.  Junior/young.  Need.  Hyped as an uber athlete, but the combine showed he really only had OK athleticism.  Bad pick.

2021: Devonta Smith.  WR. Trade up.  Senior.  Need.  Marginal athlete.  Great pick.

2022: Jordan Davis.  DT.  Trade up.  Senior.  Not a huge need.  Uber athlete.  TBD, but not looking good.

2023: Jalen Carter.  DT.  Trade up.  Junior.  Not a need.  Great athlete.  TBD, but looking good.

 

So what does this tell us?  For one, Howie, despite all his exploits, really doesn't do a great job in the first round.  In general, he is exclusively looking at OT, DL, WR  (although this year legitimately may force them to CB).  He tends to do better aggressively trading up for younger, more explosive athletes than he does letting the draft break to him with older, less explosive players.  (And he tends to prefer attacking the draft with the former option).  

In fact, the only time we've had a successful 1st round pick when NOT trading up was Lane Johnson...and he barely counts considering he was a top 5 pick.

The interesting part for me in all this is the trending.  Roseman limits what he picks; for sure, there are times where they'd pick a CB or LB,but they don't trade up for them to get their guy. But they will for other positions.  Says a lot to how Howie prioritises positions in the draft.

28 minutes ago, TEW said:

You’re asking why he would drop and I’m telling you. Stiffness and injury are plenty of reason.

Granted.

In your opinion are the reasons he would drop more than the reasons his stock would soar? 

Howie Roseman 2nd round analysis:

2010: Nate Allen.  S.  Stay put.  Senior (I believe).  Need.  Just OK athlete.  Not a great pick.

2011: Jaiquawn Jarrett.  S.  Stay put.  Senior (I believe).  Need.  Terrible athlete.  Bad pick.

2012:
Mychal Kendricks.  LB.  Stay put.  Junior.  Need.  Great athlete.  Decent pick.
Vinny Curry.  DE.  Trade down.  Older.  Not really a need.  Marginal athlete.  Decent pick.

2013: Zach Ertz.  TE.  Stay put.  Senior.  Not really a need.  Good, not great athlete.  Great pick.  Hate to say it, but this was probably Chip.

2014:  Jordan Matthews.  WR.  Trade up.  Senior.  Need.  Not a great athlete.  Not a great pick.  

2015: Eric Rowe.  Ignore, Chip pick.

2017: Sidney Jones.  CB.  Stay put.  Junior.  Need.  OK athlete.  Bad pick.

2018:  Dallas Goedert.  TE.  Stay put (sort of).  Senior/older.  Not really a need.  Very good athlete.  Very good pick.

2019: 
Miles Sanders.  RB.  Stay put (sort of).  Senior.  Need.  OK athlete.  OK pick.
JJAW.  WR.  Stay put.  Senior.  Need.  Bad athlete.  Bad pick.

2020:  Hurts.  As with Wentz, leaving QB's out of this.

2021:  Landon Dickerson.  OG.  Stay put.  RS Senior.  Need.  Very good athlete.  Great pick. 

2022:  Cam Jurgens.  OG/OC.  Stay put.  Senior.  Need.  Very good athlete.  TBD.

 

COMPLETELY different approach to round 2.  Very patient and prefers to see what the second frame of the draft presents to him, rather than giving up capital to go after someone.  There is a clear trend from limited towards impressive athletes as we move from 2010 towards 2022.

It's interesting to see the LACK of OT, DL, WR.  Perhaps it's just because they are already blasted in round 1, but he may see less value there in round 2.  Interior OL, secondary, and non-WR offensive skill players.  That's what he consistently chases in round 2.  

I think it's fair to say for Howie:

Tier 1 positions (excluding QB): WR, OT, Edge, DT

Tier 2: TE, interior OL

Tier 3: RB, CB, S

F it: LB

If he likes a player in round 1, he values trading up a few spots for them far more than keeping a mid round pick and risking losing them.  So if he DOESN'T trade up, it means they aren't in love with their pick.

Anyone he didn't like enough to take in round 1, he probably isn't giving up capital to trade up for in round 2.  I assume he figures that round 2 can't give you players with prototypical talent at premium positions, but can give you players with prototypical talent at lesser positions...and that's why you'll see him preferentially target guys at his tier 2 and 3 positions at this point.

22 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I'll go with T'V Sweat in the 2nd.  

366 is rare.   Outland trophy is good.  Questionable whether a 366 pound DT is actually a need,  but those big guys often do well, yet big guys aren't often the tops at conditioning, so they're not going to be playing 70% of the snaps.   

Can't just go "well we'll take a different 366 pound Outland trophy winner."   The Eagles and every other team has choices in the 280-320 pound DT range.   They can get them in the draft,  they could get them as FAs or trade for them.   There just aren't as many 366 pounders who won the outland,  and have upper right hand corner numbers like that.

CB is tier 1 or 2 for Howie. It’s been more circumstance than anything why he hasn’t drafted them in round 1.

 

Leonard Taylor could be another Hargrave where Pittsburgh had him at NT but he was actually this fantastic pass rusher. LT may have just been mis-cast in Miami and is waiting to dominate as a 3-tech.

22 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

CB is tier 1 or 2 for Howie. It’s been more circumstance than anything why he hasn’t drafted them in round 1.

What we fairly don't know is, has he had the same level of intent to draft a CB that, for example, Howie had with Carter/Davis?  My feeling is Roseman has tiers where if a CB falls to to pick, I'll take them. But if a player we really like at a core position falls within trade range, then that is a priority over waiting to make the allotted pick. 

If Arnold falls to 22, yep, get the card in, happy to draft him. But if a OT that we really likes is there at 15, let's trade up to get our guy even if Arnold is still there.

6 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

What we fairly don't know is, has he had the same level of intent to draft a CB that, for example, Howie had with Carter/Davis?  My feeling is Roseman has tiers where if a CB falls to to pick, I'll take them. But if a player we really like at a core position falls within trade range, then that is a priority over waiting to make the allotted pick. 

If Arnold falls to 22, yep, get the card in, happy to draft him. But if a OT that we really likes is there at 15, let's trade up to get our guy even if Arnold is still there.

I think Howie thinks CB is harder to scout than other positions so all things equal he'd go with the safer pick at the other premium position. But it has been widely reported if Sauce Gardner, Derek Stingley, Pat Surtain, Jaycee Horn got within range of the Eagles, at least one of them would be an Eagle right now.

I wonder how the hell Pheldarius Payne can rank so highly on both run D and pass rush in both of those graphics, and yet no draft content I have ever watched or read ever mentions him. I look for anything on youtube, no game cut ups. No highlights. Nothing. 

Do I just project this guy as a top 10 pick sight unseen now or what?

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

2010: Brandon Graham.  DE. trade up. 4th year player.  Perceived need at the time.  Good, not great raw athleticism.  Just OK pick (Fight me on that).  This pick also may have been more AR than Howie.

Calling Graham just an "ok" pick is some take

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Calling Graham just an "ok" pick is some take

Nah, just a sentimental take to say otherwise.  

He started 13 games in 5 years on his rookie contract and then became a free agent testing the market after calling himself a bust.  Everything good he did as an Eagle came after that.  If you like Graham, call him a great FA signing.