Let's have some real fun. Assume we stay at 22 and take Mims or DeJean, and the other one is sliding to the end of the 1st round. Do you offer 50 and something else (maybe 120 and 2025 3rd) to get back to say #30 and take the other one? 30 is 620 points, and 50 is 400, so need 220 of value. 120 is 54 points, so you still need 166 which would be pick 85 (mid 3rd) this year, so maybe a 2025 3rd isn't enough. I would do a 2025 3rd, but not a 2nd. I'd also consider moving the 2026 Reddick pick. 

 

8 minutes ago, TEW said:

I’d want a bit more, but if that was their opening offer I think we could get a deal done.

Their 2025 first might be 1st overall.  I think it probably makes sense. I have no idea why the Broncos would think they need to trade back into the first for either of those QBs.  I could see them trading up into the 2nd round for one of them.  

42 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Another hypothetical.

Denver gets greedy. Want to stick and pick at 12 and move back into the first round for Nix or Penix. Would you do 22 for 76 and their 2025 1?

Absolutely 

Then take 76 and 53 to package together if you want to move up in the second and you probably have a top 5 pick in 2025.

29 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

He clarified they said 83 draftable players were returning to school and there were 170 left as "draftable"

Big difference.

Just now, NCiggles said:

Their 2025 first might be 1st overall.  I think it probably makes sense. I have no idea why the Broncos would think they need to trade back into the first for either of those QBs.  I could see them trading up into the 2nd round for one of them.  

Or more likely to 31 or 32 to get the 5th year option.

One last caveat to the whole OL/CB discussion.

If Jared Verse is somehow on the board at 22, I'm all in.

33 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Whose going to stop that QB room in the NFL?

Imagine being that QB coach and/or offensive coordinator getting your first shot.  They'll need to adopt this mentality immediately.  

 

 

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Let's have some real fun. Assume we stay at 22 and take Mims or DeJean, and the other one is sliding to the end of the 1st round. Do you offer 50 and something else (maybe 120 and 2025 3rd) to get back to say #30 and take the other one? 30 is 620 points, and 50 is 400, so need 220 of value. 120 is 54 points, so you still need 166 which would be pick 85 (mid 3rd) this year, so maybe a 2025 3rd isn't enough. I would do a 2025 3rd, but not a 2nd. I'd also consider moving the 2026 Reddick pick. 

I think the Reddick pick will be difficult to move because no one will give us more than 3rd round value on it. It’s worth way more to us to gamble with it working out as a 2 than dumping it.

Plus future picks are also worth way more to a GM who knows he’ll be around like Howie vs one who’s trying to save his job today

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I understand why they would fall, but a RD 5 pick on Estime or Kiran without hesitation. 

Thinking more and more Howie sticks and picks at 22.  Too many guys we've been linked to should be there - Wiggins, DeJean, McKinstry, Mims, Guyton, Powers-Johnson, Suamataia, Barton, even Verse, etc. 

Now in the 2nd round, that's where I think Howie could get aggressive if someone falls.  The spend is less, and with both 50 and 53 sitting there, he can maneuver there a lot better.  Maybe he makes a move up into the 40's to snag someone, then uses the other pick to trade back and recoup some picks. 

14 minutes ago, TEW said:

I agree, with the caveat that I don’t think there is any chance Latham is there at 22. He’s just too good and unique as a prospect.

Your overall view though, absolutely agree 100%. The opportunity cost of a 2nd round pick is too great to justify the delta between whoever we could get in the mid teens and whoever we can get at 22.

One thing I've found interesting is the level of variance of when the OTs will get taken in the mock drafts.  I don't think it's out oft the realm of possibility that a Latham will drop more than any of us would assume. It's going to be interesting to see how the real world falls; the Chargers are definitely an outlier. No one knows what they will likely do

How much stock do you put into the Eagles saying they want those first 3 selections to be players that can start right away and not be projects? Would really limit a lot of the options even at 22

I know this shouldn't matter at all, but...Dallas DESPERATELY needs an OL at 24, likely a tackle. So that will put a smile on my face if we take one right in front of them.

The more I read about Mims, the more I think he is the target. "Highest upside." "Unique Talent." Howie made the comment about having guys learn behind Kelce and Cox. Having Mims work with Stout and Lane...not sure he can pass that up.

I think Howie's willingness to move up for a CB will be based on how much Fangio covets one. If he's completely gaga over one of them, I could see him being willing.

I was looking at this a little puzzled, as most people says 2012 or 2002 is our best draft ever.

 

But damn! We basically took BG/Fletch/Kelce/Lane with 4 straight picks to open the 1973 draft. The top 4 guys combined to play nearly 50 years for us.

8 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

How much stock do you put into the Eagles saying they want those first 3 selections to be players that can start right away and not be projects? Would really limit a lot of the options even at 22

None. They are just saying things at this point. During his last PC Roseman was laying the groundwork of how important depth is and how someone learning from behind Lane Johnson could be a huge asset. 

37 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Whose going to stop that QB room in the NFL?

The fans, if they have the chance.

29 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think they will trade up for DeJean.  I think Mitchell and Arnold are trade up candidates.  It also doesn't look to me that they are looking to trade up for an O-line.  

Mitchell and Arnold will be the targets to trade up, though costly.  If the new DC wants certain CB, that may just happen.  OT is still in need, particularly as the replacement for Johnson.  This is supposed a deep OT class and good players should be there after 1st round.  With our master OL coach, we can pick some mdi-rounds guys and turn them into good players.

 

13 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

One thing I've found interesting is the level of variance of when the OTs will get taken in the mock drafts.  I don't think it's out oft the realm of possibility that a Latham will drop more than any of us would assume. It's going to be interesting to see how the real world falls; the Chargers are definitely an outlier. No one knows what they will likely do

I agree in general: there are a bunch of OTs and you could argue a lot of different orders to rank them.

That said, I think there is a greater chance Latham goes higher than expected than lower. He's huge, strong, has long arms, a low center of gravity, and he can move.

3 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Mitchell and Arnold will be the targets to trade up, though costly.  If the new DC wants certain CB, that may just happen.  OT is still in need, particularly as the replacement for Johnson.  This is supposed a deep OT class and good players should be there after 1st round.  With our master OL coach, we can pick some mdi-rounds guys and turn them into good players.

 

The OTs are going to go fast. If we wait until 50 I don’t think there is going to be much left. At 22 there should be a solid group of prospects to pick from and we can take the best of the bunch.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

None. They are just saying things at this point. During his last PC Roseman was laying the groundwork of how important depth is and how someone learning from behind Lane Johnson could be a huge asset. 

Yeah you can't really trust anything front offices say especially this time of year. Didn't know if it was just BS to throw people off or if there was actually something to it. I can't see him being shortsighted though especially since he doesn't really have to worry about being fired. He has more of a luxury to plan for the future. 

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