18 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Not sure Arnold is much better than Wiggins who should be available at 22 , he definitely isn't enough better to make it worth giving up a second.

Wiggins sure excites me more. I dont think Arnold has much upside. Wiggins is an elite cover guy who, if he can put on 10lbs over his NFL career is pretty fine size wize and plays physically. 

15 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

His size is much better though 

Arnold has Nickel CB size. Not ideal outside CB size. 

Wiggins did weigh 182 at his pro day, nine pounds heavier than the combine. Some of that no doubt was water weight. 

just realized Mohamed Kamara is 25.  I'm out on him if we're thinking DE in round 2 (or 3 if we move back).  Probably out on Fiske in that range as well being 24.5

I would be happy with Blake Fisher in round 2.  Think he's been undervalued in this draft process.  Can play LT and RT as well

2 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

just realized Mohamed Kamara is 25.  I'm out on him if we're thinking DE in round 2 (or 3 if we move back).  Probably out on Fiske in that range as well being 24.5

I would be happy with Blake Fisher in round 2.  Think he's been undervalued in this draft process.  Can play LT and RT as well

This DE class stinks. I’m out on pretty much all of them relative to where they’re expected to go. 

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Wiggins sure excites me more. I dont think Arnold has much upside. Wiggins is an elite cover guy who, if he can put on 10lbs over his NFL career is pretty fine size wize and plays physically. 

How about Kool-Aid? Bigger, just as fast, played boundary corner.

#championship

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

#championship

I like Penix but… I mean sure Latu is a good player and Tampa is a decent CB but using a premium pick on a back up QB again? I wouldn’t put anything past Howie but surely not.

2 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

#championship

Ick!

Been thinking through a scenario where we don't go CB early. 

It all depends on what they think about the CBs already in the building and what Fangio wants to strengthen to make his scheme work.  They may be comfortable with Slay plus any combination of Bradberry, Ringo, etc. on the outside.  And from what I've heard/read about Fangio, slot corner is a key position in his scheme.  They brought back Maddox.  McPhearson is returning.  And I've also heard that there are plenty of CBs destined for the slot in this class.

This draft is so deep at OL, I can honestly see them double dip on days 1 and 2.

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I like Penix but… I mean sure Latu is a good player and Tampa is a decent CB but using a premium pick on a back up QB again? I wouldn’t put anything past Howie but surely not.

You must be a new Eagles fan 

4 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

You must be a new Eagles fan 

On what basis? Because we Eagles fans love a back up QB? I know I’ve been there. But doesn’t mean it’s the right pick.

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

On what basis? Because we Eagles fans love a back up QB? I know I’ve been there. But doesn’t mean it’s the right pick.

Whatever you dimwit redcoat 

25 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

just realized Mohamed Kamara is 25.  I'm out on him if we're thinking DE in round 2 (or 3 if we move back).  Probably out on Fiske in that range as well being 24.5

I would be happy with Blake Fisher in round 2.  Think he's been undervalued in this draft process.  Can play LT and RT as well

I don't think Kamara was projected on round 2 anyway. 

Round 4 is fine with me. 

I really don't think you can outright avoid old players on this draft. It doesn't seem possible. 

Yay or Nay

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I don't think Kamara was projected on round 2 anyway. 

Round 4 is fine with me. 

I really don't think you can outright avoid old players on this draft. It doesn't seem possible. 

maybe not outright avoid but if you're putting up mediocre stats and are 3-4 years older than the dudes you're playing against usually doesn't bode as well in the NFL

21 minutes ago, just relax said:

How about Kool-Aid? Bigger, just as fast, played boundary corner.

I'm higher on McKinstry than most.  To me he's the Joey Porter Jr if this draft. Prospect fatigue has dropped him.  He's better than Arnold imo.

I still get a little more excited about Wiggins with his elite speed, and fluidity. He's a physical version of DRC to me. 

I think a great comparison for Kool-Aid/Arnold is the 2020 or 21 packers. Jaire Alexander (=Kool-Aid) was lock down.  The elite CB on that team. Teams avoided throwing his way.  Threw at Rasul Douglas (=Arnold) who made plays and played well. But Jaire was the clear alpha in that tandem. So is Kool-Aid. 

College teams didn't want to throw at him this year.  They threw at Arnold.  Who held up well,  but Kool-Aid was the lockdown guy teams feared.

Arnolds size and athletic profile also projects much better to nickel in the NFL. People aren't recognizing these things. 

4 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

maybe not outright avoid but if you're putting up mediocre stats and are 3-4 years older than the dudes you're playing against usually doesn't bode as well in the NFL

His stats weren't mediocre. 

7 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Yay or Nay

Like

39 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

just realized Mohamed Kamara is 25.  I'm out on him if we're thinking DE in round 2 (or 3 if we move back).  Probably out on Fiske in that range as well being 24.5

I would be happy with Blake Fisher in round 2.  Think he's been undervalued in this draft process.  Can play LT and RT as well

Fiske being 24 doesn't bother me, Cox retired at 33, how many players make it beyond 9 years?  And we do need a tackle to take up some of Cox's workload as part of the rotation, way more than we need an OT to be honest.

1 minute ago, garingovt2000 said:

maybe not outright avoid but if you're putting up mediocre stats and are 3-4 years older than the dudes you're playing against usually doesn't bode as well in the NFL

Kamara has put up great stats and has been consistently good for a few seasons now, he just has poor length and is maxed out physically which might make his life difficult at the next level. We just signed Huff who has a similar physical profile. If he pans out and contributes in the rotation, but we only get one contract out of him due to his age that’s seems like a good deal for an early day 3 pick.

The question I have is do we need another 3-4 OLB type or a 4-3 DE as Sweat is the only guy we have in that mold and might be traded like Reddick next offseason.

I predict Howie will trade up, if he doesn't trade down.

Geez, of course he's calling about moving up, I'm sure he's talked to people about moving down as well.

The Eagles have improved their draft board the last few years, and Howie has more trust in his board.

So he'll follow the draft, see who's available, where they rank on his board, the cost of moving up, the options available if he moved down, etc.

He won't be able to do anything until the first 15 or so are chosen b/c there's no one he's going to overpay to move up - and at that point he'll know if potential targets are available.

I doubt Howie knows what he's going to do, right now it's a matter of information collection so when he has 15 minutes (or 10 or 5 later in the draft) he can make the best decision.

Trying to guess what he's going to do is a fool's errand.

16 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Fiske being 24 doesn't bother me, Cox retired at 33, how many players make it beyond 9 years?  And we do need a tackle to take up some of Cox's workload as part of the rotation, way more than we need an OT to be honest.

I like Fiske but I think he’d be best served in an attacking 1-gap system. Here I think he would almost be a DPR, as I wouldn’t want him in base trying 1.5 gap as 4i (as he isn’t very long and would have to give up the initiative to a degree due to gap responsibilities).

21 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Fiske being 24 doesn't bother me, Cox retired at 33, how many players make it beyond 9 years?  And we do need a tackle to take up some of Cox's workload as part of the rotation, way more than we need an OT to be honest.

It’s not about years left to play, it’s about projecting him forward when the tape you watched showed a grown man playing against a bunch of kids. 

17 hours ago, Penn7980 said:

Mitchell and Arnold will be the targets to trade up, though costly.  If the new DC wants certain CB, that may just happen.  OT is still in need, particularly as the replacement for Johnson.  This is supposed a deep OT class and good players should be there after 1st round.  With our master OL coach, we can pick some mdi-rounds guys and turn them into good players.

 

I think the question is the delta between their CB rankings vs. who is available at like picks 14-18.  Given Howie, I almost think it's a more of a question about a CB going off the board early vs. a CB dropping more than expected.  

17 hours ago, garingovt2000 said:

According to

@SportsBettingAG

, one of the biggest #NFLDraft day odds movers has been Texas DT Byron Murphy II who is now 3/1 to be a top 10 pick. Previously, those odds were 11/1. There has been buzz that he could be the first defender selected and that the #Bears are in play.

Aaron Donald retired so he has to be the new Aaron Donald.