Eskin thinks the Eagles will trade up for an OT.

Seems like the local guys think the Eagles move up for OT and the national guys think they move up for CB.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's real CGI, yes.

What year did big CGI take over the world? I'm guessing they're behind Kennedy's assination.  

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes.  Repeating it doesn't change the fact that this team has built horribly.  And as long as that is the case, this team is doomed to repeat the failures of the past.

The roster is built the way that it is so that in the off-season they’d have a ton of available cap space with minimal guys on the roster going into FA. On the Sixers thread on the board, I said that during last off-season that they built a roster that’s just gonna be competitive but not really a title contender. They added depth when they dealt harden but still it wasn’t ever going to be good enough. They were essentially putting all their chips into the 2024 off-season with how they constructed the roster, they wanted the least amount of players under contracts so they could have the most available cap space to make moves. It’s why that clippers trade they didn’t take Norman Powell back and the clippers were trying to off load him from the beginning of free agency.

The issue is will it actually work for them this off-season. It is a poor free agency class, but at least they have some assets to make trades if they want to go that direction. I think it’s gonna blow up in their face, but they viewed it as the  opportunity to get themselves back to being a legitimate title contender and basically being a lesser team in 2023 that was still competitive.

that said they are also missing melton. He’s not some world beater, but he allows you to have Oubre and melton rotating defensively on Brunson.  he’s expanding a lot of energy on the defensive end. not gonna get what he normally does on offense due to him expending that energy that he normally isn’t asked to do in the regular season consistently. Sending melton and oubre in waves helps both stay fresher. Also melton before he got hurt was averaging 11 points a game. In regular season you can get by cause you play mediocre and bad teams so you can get wins. Playoffs it gets exposed more. Granted they should’ve made better deals at the deadline, knowing that Roco was probably done for the year and that melton was dealing with a back problem that continued to flare up. 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Eskin thinks the Eagles will trade up for an OT.

Seems like the local guys think the Eagles move up for OT and the national guys think they move up for CB.

Classic Howie playing Howard for the misdirection.  We are trading up for LB.  

18 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

What does real mean? If we experience seeing a moon, isn't it real? 

That's just what the lizard people want you to think 

31 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The Texans’ red helmet looks pretty awesome. 

Not unlike the UH red helmets.  Glad to see the Texans embracing the local University’s red. 

37 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The Texans’ red helmet looks pretty awesome. 

I agree. They're pretty awesome. The red jerseys are sweet too:

 

 

Might have to pick up a Tank Dell.

 

Nothing will come of it from the Eagles end.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Falcons likely losing a pick

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

WTF. F Franklin. They stole a home game already. Now picks?

I really think, between the weird mental makeup and being sent to Chicago, Williams is setting up to be a bust. Add on that the dumbest "analyst" on the planet (Nick Wright) is super high on him, and...bust risk very high. 

Everyone was super high on Lawrence, and he is a borderline bust at this point as well.

48 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think hes slightly below 6' and 31'' arms isnt very good. 

His height is 56th percentile, arm length is 59th and wingspan 62nd. 

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I really think, between the weird mental makeup and being sent to Chicago, Williams is setting up to be a bust. Add on that the dumbest "analyst" on the planet (Nick Wright) is super high on him, and...bust risk very high. 

Everyone was super high on Lawrence, and he is a borderline bust at this point as well.

In fairness prince did beat Charlie Murphy in basketball and then made him pancakes 

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I really think, between the weird mental makeup and being sent to Chicago, Williams is setting up to be a bust. Add on that the dumbest "analyst" on the planet (Nick Wright) is super high on him, and...bust risk very high. 

Everyone was super high on Lawrence, and he is a borderline bust at this point as well.

Excluding Burrow if been awhile since the #1 overall pick being a QB had success 

Garrett is arguably the only one to have lived up to his draft spot in a long time

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Considering how simple this seems to be on the surface, I’m surprised the Eagles’ investigation hasn’t concluded. Makes me wonder if they’re finding more dirt. 

As for Atlanta, it’s just a matter of how hard they’re gonna get hit. It’s obvious they went above and beyond harmless  tampering. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Considering how simple this seems to be on the surface, I’m surprised the Eagles’ investigation hasn’t been concluded. Makes me wonder if they’re finding more dirt. 

As for Atlanta, it’s just a matter of how hard they’re gonna get hit. It’s obvious they went above and beyond harmless  tampering. 

The tampering period is total BS. Just open FA a few days earlier and skip that crap.

21 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The roster is built the way that it is so that in the off-season they’d have a ton of available cap space with minimal guys on the roster going into FA.

The roster is built the way that it is because of a string of ridiculous failures of putting a quality, deep team on the court.   They've tried since the Butler trade to add a 3rd piece to pair with Embiid and Simmons, and now Embiid and Maxey.   The reality is that the GMS have all failed at doing what the process was supposed to be about... which was build a true championship contender.  What they have built is what they have been for a very very very long time... championship pretenders.    

The Process was supposed to be about adding elite pieces that can't be added any other way than through the very very early picks of the draft.   Meanwhile, they traded for and then traded away a piece that COULD have been that in Jimmy Butler... who went on to win two Eastern Conferences with very little supporting cast.  Keep him and everything is likely different, including Embiid's demeanor and attitude... and this team likely has at least one championship.   And we look around the league at the recent winners...

Denver Nuggets... their main guy was a SECOND Round pick - Jokic.
Golden State Warriors... main guys were never top of round 1 picks.  
Milwaukee Bucks... main guy Giannis... middle of round 1.
 

Just a bunch of teams that built OTHER ways that tanking.  And here the Sixers sit... after having #3 pick - Joel Embiid, #3 pick - Jahlil Okafor, #1 pick - Ben Simmons, #1 pick - Markelle Fultz,.. and they came away with one player out of those 4.  And they have never been able to put a good enough cast of role players around him, and never enough depth, despite all the mining of the depths of the roster and working very hard to find those guys.   Just a complete and utter failure of draft scouting and pro scouting to find the appropriate pieces to make it all work together.  

Plan?   Nah... they have no plan.    

Step 1 - Tank for better draft picks.
Step 2 - ???
Step 3 - Championship.

They never figured out Step 2, and I am beyond frustrated with them and their laundry list of failed transactions.

These guys are supposedly the professionals... yet, it seemed pretty obvious at the time, Porzingus was a better option than Okafor.  Would have been interesting to see some twin towers action with him and Embiid.  #1 - Ben Simmons.   Supposedly going to revolutionize the game as a 6'11" PG.  Yeah... except for the complete and utter inability and willingness to shoot.  Meanwhile, they pass on Jaylen Brown.  Oops.   They bought the hype on Simmons, and missed the lack of substance.  The following year, they trade up to get Fultz... who immediately forgets how to shoot properly and looks completely lost.   Meanwhile, the Celtics, who owned the pick, are happy to make the trade... and select Jayson Tatum.   Double oops.

I'm not going to say this is all the fault of Josh Harris... but this is the fault of Josh Harris.  He green lighted the Process, then he caved to the league pressure when they didn't like it.  And he brought in the NBA's choice for exec to carry on the "search" for a new GM... who hired his son.  And we were all supposed to be ok with it.  So many missteps that were obvious in the moment.  

 

But @just relax tells me that my suffering will make me more resilient.  I can't wait to experience the next disappointment from that franchise.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Considering how simple this seems to be on the surface, I’m surprised the Eagles’ investigation hasn’t concluded. Makes me wonder if they’re finding more dirt. 

As for Atlanta, it’s just a matter of how hard they’re gonna get hit. It’s obvious they went above and beyond harmless  tampering. 

Had the same thought, unless they are just dragging their feet with a single announcement and waiting to conclude Atlanta's investigation before announcing everything. 

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

Hate it, Would be very disappointed with this outcome

Latu- Risk with his injury issues and type of injury it was, not interested in him unless its in the early 2nd round which we know he wont last to. Rather someone else take that risk.

Penix- Why? We have 3 QBs on this roster, all young, all under contract. Makes zero sense

Tampa- Hes ok, a bit early to take him at 53

Oh well sorryyyyy nerd 

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Excluding Burrow if been awhile since the #1 overall pick being a QB had success 

Garrett is arguably the only one to have lived up to his draft spot in a long time

Burrow wasn't hyped for multiple years -- kinda exploded onto the scene at LSU and shot up to #1. He has struggled to be healthy, but is obviously elite when he plays. I'd argue the "generational" guys that were hyped over the last 30 years have been Lawrence, Luck, Cam, Vick and Peyton. Lawrence is, if I'm being generous, "disappointing." Cam and Vick were decent QBs but basically busts when compared to their hype. Luck delivered but his career was cut short. The last can't miss guy that 100% hit was Peyton.

 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Considering how simple this seems to be on the surface, I’m surprised the Eagles’ investigation hasn’t concluded. Makes me wonder if they’re finding more dirt. 

As for Atlanta, it’s just a matter of how hard they’re gonna get hit. It’s obvious they went above and beyond harmless  tampering. 

Cousins admitting to it definitely put the nail in the coffin

I've seen it being described as the telephone game with Barkley's situation. Apparently just a misunderstanding that the league will need to get the timeline correct

 

25 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The roster is built the way that it is because of a string of ridiculous failures of putting a quality, deep team on the court.   They've tried since the Butler trade to add a 3rd piece to pair with Embiid and Simmons, and now Embiid and Maxey.   The reality is that the GMS have all failed at doing what the process was supposed to be about... which was build a true championship contender.  What they have built is what they have been for a very very very long time... championship pretenders.    

The Process was supposed to be about adding elite pieces that can't be added any other way than through the very very early picks of the draft.   Meanwhile, they traded for and then traded away a piece that COULD have been that in Jimmy Butler... who went on to win two Eastern Conferences with very little supporting cast.  Keep him and everything is likely different, including Embiid's demeanor and attitude... and this team likely has at least one championship.   And we look around the league at the recent winners...

Denver Nuggets... their main guy was a SECOND Round pick - Jokic.
Golden State Warriors... main guys were never top of round 1 picks.  
Milwaukee Bucks... main guy Giannis... middle of round 1.
 

Just a bunch of teams that built OTHER ways that tanking.  And here the Sixers sit... after having #3 pick - Joel Embiid, #3 pick - Jahlil Okafor, #1 pick - Ben Simmons, #1 pick - Markelle Fultz,.. and they came away with one player out of those 4.  And they have never been able to put a good enough cast of role players around him, and never enough depth, despite all the mining of the depths of the roster and working very hard to find those guys.   Just a complete and utter failure of draft scouting and pro scouting to find the appropriate pieces to make it all work together.  

Plan?   Nah... they have no plan.    

Step 1 - Tank for better draft picks.
Step 2 - ???
Step 3 - Championship.

They never figured out Step 2, and I am beyond frustrated with them and their laundry list of failed transactions.

These guys are supposedly the professionals... yet, it seemed pretty obvious at the time, Porzingus was a better option than Okafor.  Would have been interesting to see some twin towers action with him and Embiid.  #1 - Ben Simmons.   Supposedly going to revolutionize the game as a 6'11" PG.  Yeah... except for the complete and utter inability and willingness to shoot.  Meanwhile, they pass on Jaylen Brown.  Oops.   They bought the hype on Simmons, and missed the lack of substance.  The following year, they trade up to get Fultz... who immediately forgets how to shoot properly and looks completely lost.   Meanwhile, the Celtics, who owned the pick, are happy to make the trade... and select Jayson Tatum.   Double oops.

I'm not going to say this is all the fault of Josh Harris... but this is the fault of Josh Harris.  He green lighted the Process, then he caved to the league pressure when they didn't like it.  And he brought in the NBA's choice for exec to carry on the "search" for a new GM... who hired his son.  And we were all supposed to be ok with it.  So many missteps that were obvious in the moment.  

 

But @just relax tells me that my suffering will make me more resilient.  I can't wait to experience the next disappointment from that franchise.

You’re looking at the totality of when they started building the roster from the process throughout.

This particular years roster they purposely just had guys ans expiring contracts so that they could get them off the books and have as much space as possible to go into 2024 off-season. If we’re talking about the totality from the very beginning, yes you would be right. But for this particular team in 2023-24, they could have made other moves and locked into longer term contracts.

The construction of this particular 2023-24 team with the contracts they have on the books, was made so that in 2024 offseason Joel Embiid is the only one under contract. And potentially Paul Reed if they got to the second round

The 2023-24 was specifically and calculated to not get tied into long term contracts besides Embiid so they’d have this ridiculous amount of cap and have assets to try to construct a championship caliber team in 2024-25. With the amount of expiring contracts at the 76ers have, they could’ve easily made trades to improve this roster but also get stuck with no cap and in longer contracts. They didn’t want to do that.

I went into a huge novel last offseason on the Sixers thread about what they were doing this year and how it would play out. It’s played out almost exactly the way that I laid out. Because when you go look at it, they weren’t punting on 23-24 but they knew they were likely not competing for a title as they weren’t going to be good enough. So why get locked into long-term contracts that hinders your potential going forward. they always were playing the longview this year so that 2024 off-season with cap space they had cleared and assets they could construct the roster around Joel Embiid and Tyrese Maxey. make moves to potentially sign PG and then have draft pick assets, cap to also add if a star became available in a trade. The issue is most Sixers fans didn’t want to believe the organization and Embiid would be ok taking a step back this year. really not doing a whole lot in terms of committing past this year so adding expiring contracts and draft picks in the clippers deal and hield at the deadline who also is an expiring contract so that 2024 they’d have "best” shot to construct a championship roster. The goal of this year was be competitive but don’t F up your 2024 offseason capabilities. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Burrow wasn't hyped for multiple years -- kinda exploded onto the scene at LSU and shot up to #1. He has struggled to be healthy, but is obviously elite when he plays. I'd argue the "generational" guys that were hyped over the last 30 years have been Lawrence, Luck, Cam, Vick and Peyton. Lawrence is, if I'm being generous, "disappointing." Cam and Vick were decent QBs but basically busts when compared to their hype. Luck delivered but his career was cut short. The last can't miss guy that 100% hit was Peyton.

 

I think the "generational talent" guys are slowly going the way of the dinosaur. The overall training, development approach and rule changes closed a lot of the gap between the naturally gifted and the next best prospect. I don't think were ever going to see another Peyton Manning type prospect. The next generational QB will be just some prospect who managed to take a big leap post draft like Mahomes.