1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The roster is built the way that it is because of a string of ridiculous failures of putting a quality, deep team on the court.   They've tried since the Butler trade to add a 3rd piece to pair with Embiid and Simmons, and now Embiid and Maxey.   The reality is that the GMS have all failed at doing what the process was supposed to be about... which was build a true championship contender.  What they have built is what they have been for a very very very long time... championship pretenders.    

The Process was supposed to be about adding elite pieces that can't be added any other way than through the very very early picks of the draft.   Meanwhile, they traded for and then traded away a piece that COULD have been that in Jimmy Butler... who went on to win two Eastern Conferences with very little supporting cast.  Keep him and everything is likely different, including Embiid's demeanor and attitude... and this team likely has at least one championship.   And we look around the league at the recent winners...

Denver Nuggets... their main guy was a SECOND Round pick - Jokic.
Golden State Warriors... main guys were never top of round 1 picks.  
Milwaukee Bucks... main guy Giannis... middle of round 1.
 

Just a bunch of teams that built OTHER ways that tanking.  And here the Sixers sit... after having #3 pick - Joel Embiid, #3 pick - Jahlil Okafor, #1 pick - Ben Simmons, #1 pick - Markelle Fultz,.. and they came away with one player out of those 4.  And they have never been able to put a good enough cast of role players around him, and never enough depth, despite all the mining of the depths of the roster and working very hard to find those guys.   Just a complete and utter failure of draft scouting and pro scouting to find the appropriate pieces to make it all work together.  

Plan?   Nah... they have no plan.    

Step 1 - Tank for better draft picks.
Step 2 - ???
Step 3 - Championship.

They never figured out Step 2, and I am beyond frustrated with them and their laundry list of failed transactions.

These guys are supposedly the professionals... yet, it seemed pretty obvious at the time, Porzingus was a better option than Okafor.  Would have been interesting to see some twin towers action with him and Embiid.  #1 - Ben Simmons.   Supposedly going to revolutionize the game as a 6'11" PG.  Yeah... except for the complete and utter inability and willingness to shoot.  Meanwhile, they pass on Jaylen Brown.  Oops.   They bought the hype on Simmons, and missed the lack of substance.  The following year, they trade up to get Fultz... who immediately forgets how to shoot properly and looks completely lost.   Meanwhile, the Celtics, who owned the pick, are happy to make the trade... and select Jayson Tatum.   Double oops.

I'm not going to say this is all the fault of Josh Harris... but this is the fault of Josh Harris.  He green lighted the Process, then he caved to the league pressure when they didn't like it.  And he brought in the NBA's choice for exec to carry on the "search" for a new GM... who hired his son.  And we were all supposed to be ok with it.  So many missteps that were obvious in the moment.  

 

But @just relax tells me that my suffering will make me more resilient.  I can't wait to experience the next disappointment from that franchise.

Actually, I was quoting Nietzsche.

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

A Mike Vick that actually studied the game instead of solely relying on his physical abilities likely wins multiple rings

Too injury prone unfortunately. The talent was always there though.

3 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

I would rather argue about whether or not to moon is real than listen to bishing about yet another new jersey redesign. 

I'm the first to let you all know what I don't like about uniforms, but I think the Texans knocked it out of the park with these. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You’re looking at the totality of when they started building the roster from the process throughout.

Yes.  Because I have no expectation that this iteration of the overall plan will fare any better than the totality of the 'plan'.  Same moron that carried out the last 2 steps of this process, tunnel vision focus on bringing in James Hardin... and then being forced to unload James Hardin... is the same one going to bring in expensive free agents.  Probably just going to go after an old Paul George on a max deal.  And we will continue to lather, rinse, repeat.  I can't wait to see it all unfold before our eyes.  It will be so surprising.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes.  Because I have no expectation that this iteration of the overall plan will fare any better than the totality of the 'plan'.  Same moron that carried out the last 2 steps of this process, tunnel vision focus on bringing in James Hardin... and then being forced to unload James Hardin... is the same one going to bring in expensive free agents.  Probably just going to go after an old Paul George on a max deal.  And we will continue to lather, rinse, repeat.  I can't wait to see it all unfold before our eyes.  It will be so surprising.

 

 

Totally agree.

1 hour ago, MillerTime said:

Hint for this weekend?🤔

No mention of Eli Ricks.   🤔

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I think hes slightly below 6' and 31'' arms isnt very good. 

Wiggins also has 31"arms. Arnold is slightly over 31". And Wiggins is really thin. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No mention of Eli Ricks.   🤔

He’s just out of frame as usual.

25 minutes ago, just relax said:

Actually, I was quoting Nietzsche.

Sure.  But you applied it to sports fandom.   We've all suffered in that way.  No need to turn it up more.

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

He’s just out of frame as usual.

And where is Josh Jobe?  🤷‍♂️

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes.  Because I have no expectation that this iteration of the overall plan will fare any better than the totality of the 'plan'.  Same moron that carried out the last 2 steps of this process, tunnel vision focus on bringing in James Hardin... and then being forced to unload James Hardin... is the same one going to bring in expensive free agents.  Probably just going to go after an old Paul George on a max deal.  And we will continue to lather, rinse, repeat.  I can't wait to see it all unfold before our eyes.  It will be so surprising.

 

 

Don’t get me wrong I think it’s gonna blow up in their face. Unless there’s a trade out there for a star this offseason and you can acquire that player over some other teams who have assets then it’s likely going to be PG who’s 35 and likely to decline significantly in that contract and becomes a Harris like deal.

that said the Sixers roster could be better right now if the Sixers were willing to sacrifice 2024 off-season. With the new CBA and as many expiring contracts as they had, they could’ve gotten some useful players to make this team much better than what they’re currently assembled at. Likely win this series. But probably still get massacred by Boston. They didn’t want to do it because they didn’t wanna mess up their 2024 off-season. Meanwhile, they’re likely gonna F up the 2024 off-season anyways.

Please lose him

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t get me wrong I think it’s gonna blow up in their face. Unless there’s a trade out there for a star this offseason and you can acquire that player over some other teams who have assets then it’s likely going to be PG who’s 35 and likely to decline significantly in that contract and becomes a Harris like deal.

that said the Sixers roster could be better right now if the Sixers were willing to sacrifice 2024 off-season. With the new CBA and as many expiring contracts as they had, they could’ve gotten some useful players to make this team much better than what they’re currently assembled at. Likely win this series. But probably still get massacred by Boston. They didn’t want to do it because they didn’t wanna mess up their 2024 off-season. Meanwhile, they’re likely gonna F up the 2024 off-season anyways.

Could be better if they did about a dozen different things instead of what they have done.

If the plan is to go up for Mitchell or Arnold I'd much rather package that for Surtain II 

Also i know Bradberry was pretty brutal at the end of the year last year but he did have around 110 more defensive snaps than anyone else on the team.  Need to give him more rest as that's about 91% of the defensive snaps.

31 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Notice,  it's a 5 star thread. 

Not anymore 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And where is Josh Jobe?  🤷‍♂️

He’s there, just invisible I guess.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Could be better if they did about a dozen different things instead of what they have done.

I’m not talking everything leading up to this year. This year specifically, they definitely could’ve. However their plan was don’t F up 2024 cap, assets and offseason. They choose 2024 offseason over a better roster in 2023-24

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Please lose him

Eh, he's not that good. The Niners would actually be making a huge upgrade if they trade him and take Thomas in the first round.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not talking everything leading up to this year. This year specifically, they definitely could’ve. However their plan was don’t F up 2024 cap, assets and offseason. They choose 2024 offseason over a better roster in 2023-24

I understand everything you are saying.   What I am saying is that there is no reason for optimism that this latest plan will have any better outcome than the earlier plans.  So, it is hardly any sort of pacifying argument that what garbage we see right now is the result of some new master plan.  Forgive the skepticism.  

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I understand everything you are saying.   What I am saying is that there is no reason for optimism that this latest plan will have any better outcome than the earlier plans.  So, it is hardly any sort of pacifying argument that what garbage we see right now is the result of some new master plan.  Forgive the skepticism.  

I understand what you’re saying. Again I said it’s likely to blow up in their face. So I don’t disagree with you that it isn’t going to work.

But again my expectations of this team based off their offseason was a step back year to begin with. Why I’m not nearly as upset what’s happening. This is what i thought would happen with this years roster. the message they were giving fans was they would be competitive but likely take a step back in 2023-24 in hopes for a massively better roster in 2024-25. Again, I don’t think it’s gonna work out for them. imo they picked the wrong year to have cap space and assets. Frankly, I think it’s gonna blow up in their face. But again their moves and messaging this offseason and season already told me that 2023-24 wasn’t the year to have high expectations and god help us with 2024 offseason 

If the Patriots are willing to trade down they must not love Maye. If they loved him and thought he was a can't miss QB prospect, they would not be trading the pick.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I understand what you’re saying. Again I said it’s likely to blow up in their face. So I don’t disagree with you that it isn’t going to work.

But again my expectations of this team based off their offseason was a step back year to begin with. Why I’m not nearly as upset what’s happening. This is what i thought would happen with this years roster. the message they were giving fans was they would be competitive but likely take a step back in 2023-24 in hopes for a massively better roster in 2024-25. Again, I don’t think it’s gonna work out for them. imo they picked the wrong year to have cap space and assets. Frankly, I think it’s gonna blow up in their face. But again their moves and messaging this offseason and season already told me that 2023-24 wasn’t the year to have high expectations and god help us with 2024 offseason 

Of course... because of the move to add James Hardin.  There is knowing what's about to happen.  And then there's getting to experience the reality of it all.   It's kind of like knowing that you need a root canal... and then there's the actual procedure.  The procedure hurts, no matter how 'prepared' you are for it.

6 hours ago, greendestiny27 said:

His size is much better though 

and Wiggins is much faster

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

So with Rodgers officially back, here is where we stand at CB it seems:

Locks to be on roster: Slay, Rodgers, Ringo

Need to have a slot corner: One of Maddox, McPhearson or Hall. Assume it is Maddox

So that's 4, and let's say they carry 6-7. Leaves 2-3 spots for: Ricks, Jobe, McPhearson, Hall, Bradberry and Garner (ignoring Goodrich and Mullen as having no chance). Assume the backup slot needs to be Hall or McPhearson, and now its 1-2 spots. I think they like Ricks, and Jobe is a core special teamer. 

Basically, Rodgers being officially back makes me think OL is more likely in round 1, unless they take someone they believe can be the starting slot (DeJean).

I don't see Rodgers as a lock at all. He's a camp body until proven otherwise. They gave him next to no salary and he hasn't played in over a year. Even when he was playing he was never a full time player, he rotated in and out. I don't think it changes anything with the draft strategy as they need to replace two starting CB's beyond 2024. 

1 hour ago, TEW said:

Totally disagree. I think it’s going to be the opposite — basically that the coaching and training will take what would normally be a Michael Vick or Anthony Richardson type of prospect with otherworldly physical tools and deliver them as a finished product to the NFL. Sort of a more physically talented Andrew Luck.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Coaching and training is raising the floors of so many prospects the naturally gifted "can't miss, generational talent" is becoming non-existent. If everyone's becoming a better prospect, there's not going to be that one unicorn as often.