2 hours ago, Blazehound said:

Surtain + 76 for 22 + 50? 

I would be more interested in 22 for 76+2025 1st…

We can move up with one of our seconds and 76 to the bottom of the first or top of the second round and grab a guy similar to what we would likely get at 22. And that 2025 first would have a good chance of being top 5…

8 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

I don't think Latham is the guy.  Latu is a helluva player.  Word is that his neck isn't an issue.  If that is the case, I have no problem with him.  

Latu has a motor like Maxx. If what you say is true about his neck I’d be all for him.

Just now, Iggles25 said:

Wouldn't mind him at 22 or a small trade back.

But if it's a trade up that gives up a RD2 pick, it will feel disappointing.

The secondary will be neglected once again.

Yeah I hear ya. 

But, if Latu stays healthy, he is a damn good player. I would be pumped if he was the pick especially if he fell to 22.  

Trading that pick for Pickett definitely hurt the draft capital.  We'll just have to see what Howie has up his sleeve.  It seems like he has had a pretty good read on the board the past couple of years.

2 hours ago, T-1000 said:

I'm all for trading up. This teams need impact players, not volume. This also isn't a great draft and staying at 22 could easily result in having to settle for non first round talents like Wiggins (bad scheme fit, can't tackle), Guyton, or Mims (tackles only who will need to redshirt for two years). Move up packaging 22 and 53 to secure Mitchell, Arnold, Latham, or Fautanu.

I’m not convinced we’d get a sure thing trading up. Maybe Latham is worth it, but this OT class is really, really deep. Suamataia has all the tools to be a pro bowler and there’s a really good chance he’s there at 22 and a decent chance we could make a small move up from 50 to get him.

The corners you’d get 10 spots higher don’t scream to me "sure thing lockdown #1 corner.”

I just don’t see a ton of talent in that 12 to 18 range that will be so much better than what we could get at 22, and the extra second round pick we would have to trade will have a decent chance of being a quality starter.

Latu at 22 I could dig.

There would be quality DBs in RD2 to look towards.

5 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Yeah I hear ya. 

But, if Latu stays healthy, he is a damn good player. I would be pumped if he was the pick especially if he fell to 22.  

Trading that pick for Pickett definitely hurt the draft capital.  We'll just have to see what Howie has up his sleeve.  It seems like he has had a pretty good read on the board the past couple of years.

After watching Embiid I'm good with them avoiding people with injury issues. 

Maybe all this CB talk is smokescreen.

Howie loves drafting in the trenches who are we kidding.

Latu, Verse, Latham, Mims, or Fautanu

One of them.

Dark horse: Murphy or Newton @ DT

To really piss us off

7 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

Maybe all this CB talk is smokescreen.

Howie loves drafting in the trenches who are we kidding.

Latu, Verse, Latham, Mims, or Fautanu

One of them.

Dark horse: Murphy or Newton @ DT

To really piss us off

It will be an edge, CB, or OT. I’d bet the farm on that.

Still surprised the only predraft Round 1 trade to this point has been MIN acquiring #23 from HOU.

Heard a report today that Ossenfort from ARI has decided he’ll only trade the #4 pick while on the clock, so that would pretty much put any other deals on hold until it becomes apparent who (if anyone) is going to move into the #4 position.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Giants make a push for the #3 pick; I’m hearing they have keen interest in Drake Maye, and moving #6 to 3 would be not as painful as a larger move.

3 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

My hopes will be crushed when the trade up is for Latham or Latu.

I don't want OL in the first.  I don't expect OL in the first.

Draft 1st rounder,  he starts right away - WORKS
Draft 7th rounder,  years of development - WORKS
Draft 1st rounder, doesn't start right away - FAILS

day 3 / udfa project OT - not needed right now,  would be great if was ready when needed whenever that might be,  because cheap.

late day 2 early day 3 Right Guard - someone who could play this year if Steen is playing Tackle and Hennessy is playing left guard or center.  The starting RG, at this point,  is likely also the primary backup at either Tackle, if it's Steen or Center, Left Guard  if it's Hennessy,  so having someone who can play RG right away would be useful.  

The OL success rate is striking.

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The OL success rate is striking.

I think it speaks to what teams value for their money with OL not surprisingly at the top.  The next group of 4 includes 3 defenders close to the LOS.  Trenches win.

18 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I think it speaks to what teams value for their money with OL not surprisingly at the top.  The next group of 4 includes 3 defenders close to the LOS.  Trenches win.

DB rate looks terrible. Small sample size on C but when they know they know it seems. One thing to keep in mind is these hit rates likely get worse as you go through the rounds.
Truly is a crap shoot.

7 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

My hopes will be crushed when the trade up is for Latham or Latu.

You saying this reminded me of the 2004 draft

Rumors all over were the Eagles are going to trade up with the 49ers to select Steven Jackson, RB out of Oregon State

The draft is here, the 49ers are on the clock.......Wait we have a trade. The Philadelphia Eagles are on the clock. Wow we are drafting a RB in the first round. 

 

With the 16th pick in the NFL Draft the Philadelphia Eagles select Shaun Andrews OG out of Arkansas

Complete misdirection by the Birds to make sure the Dolphins would not move up for Andrews. Can't trust any rumors out there, its all part of the game. 

26 minutes ago, judunno said:

DB rate looks terrible. Small sample size on C but when they know they know it seems. One thing to keep in mind is these hit rates likely get worse as you go through the rounds.
Truly is a crap shoot.

Its an offensive league. The rules set DBs up to not have success like they did 10 years ago. 

8 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

It’s an offensive league. The rules set DBs up to not have success like they did 10 years ago. 

The hit rate is also based on a 2nd contract with the team that drafted them, OL generally have more longevity in the league so might have a more relaxed approach to extensions while non-premium positions need to hit the market to maximize their value.

12 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Gonna make a prediction and this is just a gut feeling more than anything. Amarius Mims goes before Fashanu and Fashanu falls and is the OT who is there in the 19-22 range if the Eagles want him, not Mims. I think some team will fall in love with Mims' potential and take him early. All it takes is one team. And every year some player falls and I have a feeling it might be Fashanu. Viewed as the least versatile, some teams may be scared of his small hands.

This for me, is where the fan/draftnik rankings diverge from teams, and what the team value and learn from the players in the process.  I predict some serious divergence early on. especially if a Fashanu didn't interview well.

1 hour ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The OL success rate is striking.

And a great example of why the FO do not trade comp to trade up for CBs; you can lose now in terms of the wrong player and picks you spent to do it. Interestingly, LB appears a lot higher than I'd have thought they would

5 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

And a great example of why the FO do not trade comp to trade up for CBs; you can lose now in terms of the wrong player and picks you spent to do it. Interestingly, LB appears a lot higher than I'd have thought they would

According to that metric, Jalen Ramsey qualifies as a miss. 

6 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

According to that metric, Jalen Ramsey qualifies as a miss. 

Which is idiotic on the surface of things.  But this is why pure numbers never work other than indicators, and you need the Data Information Knowledge Wisdom Pyramid to make more informed decisions. 

16 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

According to that metric, Jalen Ramsey qualifies as a miss. 

Don't have to look very far for examples. AJ Brown is considered a miss on that chart. Sneed also a miss.

 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

All smoke

8 minutes ago, bitbased said:

Don't have to look very far for examples. AJ Brown is considered a miss on that chart. Sneed also a miss.

so would be Jason Peters

I just can’t picture the Eagles trading up for a CB. Any CB worth trading up 10 spots for will probably go top 10, imo. 
 

Also - if the Broncos like Nix enough to take him at 22, they should take him at 12.

6 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I just can’t picture the Eagles trading up for a CB. Any CB worth trading up 10 spots for will probably go top 10, imo. 
 

Also - if the Broncos like Nix enough to take him at 22, they should take him at 12.

I doubt a CB goes in the top 10.  There may only be one defensive player taken in the top 10 picks (probably Turner to Falcons)

If they feel it 100% necessary to go up just a spot or two, I guess I’d be OK with it. I certainly don’t like the idea of having a part with a 2nd rounder in order to grab a CB.  I feel they would be better off taking the CP that fell to them at 22 and keeping their 2nd.