2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Given Lattimore's age and injury history, if Snead went for a 3rd+, Lattimore would go for less.

I didn't realize he had a history. Only 2 seasons without injury and he'll be 29 next month

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Good to see Reggie Bush get his Heisman back. Those Pete Carroll led USC teams were something special to watch. Reggie Bush is one of the best, if not best college football players I've ever watched. 

Bush was far and way the best college football player I’ve seen in my lifetime (started watching CFB in the late 90’s). 

6 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

In an ideal setting, the saints would never want to move on from him. This is purely a cost cutting exercise for them, as such I can’t imagine they would turn down a 2 if that was their best offer

I still don't understand how this cost cutting for them to trade him. Moving him now is $16.6 dead money hit. Post June 1st they open up only $4M this year but have $20M dead next year. They already restructured him too to get under the 2024 cap so they already paid him his money so there's not even cash to be saved.

2 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Bush was far and way the best college football player I’ve seen in my lifetime (started watching CFB in the late 90’s). 

Yep, he was must see football. The mid-2000s to about 2015 were the peak of my football fandom. Reggie Bush and Johnny Manziel were two guys I made a point to watch every weekend.

11 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Good to see Reggie Bush get his Heisman back. Those Pete Carroll led USC teams were something special to watch. Reggie Bush is one of the best, if not best college football players I've ever watched. 

I honestly can't even remember why they took it away to begin with which just shows it was the right move to give it back

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I honestly can't even remember why they took it away to begin with which just shows it was the right move to give it back

He took $$ from a marketing agency as a bribe to sign with them then he didn't and didn't pay the money back.  So somebody ratted him out.

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I still don't understand how this cost cutting for them to trade him. Moving him now is $16.6 dead money hit. Post June 1st they open up only $4M this year but have $20M dead next year. They already restructured him too to get under the 2024 cap so they already paid him his money so there's not even cash to be saved.

His cap hits are 31 and 28 million in 2025 and 2026; they have to move him at some point soon.

They can absorb the post-June 1st trade leftovers next year by clearing those contract costs, and it sounds like exactly the kind of thinking that got Mickey Loomis into this hole in the first place.

Some later round RB's to consider.  Laube hauled in 68 passes this year which is pretty impressive for a College RB 

4 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Some later round RB's to consider.  Laube hauled in 68 passes this year which is pretty impressive for a College RB 

I like Laube for the reason you pointed out, but I was disappointed that the senior bowl put very little if any emphasis on RB pass blocking drills.

7 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

His cap hits are 31 and 28 million in 2025 and 2026; They can absorb the post-June 1st trade leftovers next year by clearing those contract costs, and it sounds like exactly the kind of thinking that got Mickey Loomis into this hole in the first place.

But why re-structure him a few months ago just to clear his contract this year? If they were going to move on from him you'd think they would have just traded him without converting his base salary in 2024 to a bonus and paying it.

6 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Some later round RB's to consider.  Laube hauled in 68 passes this year which is pretty impressive for a College RB 

Just imagine if they come away with Cooper DeJean and Dlyan Laube.

24 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Good to see Reggie Bush get his Heisman back. Those Pete Carroll led USC teams were something special to watch. Reggie Bush is one of the best, if not best college football players I've ever watched. 

So was Vince Young. And Bush, while excellent and fun to watch, was not even the key to their running game. That was Lendale White.

18 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Some later round RB's to consider.  Laube hauled in 68 passes this year which is pretty impressive for a College RB 

Dont forget Blake Watson who I believe is another converted WR like Tracy is. Watson is by far the fastest of these 3. And he forced a TON of missed tackles and yards after contact as well. Hes unfortunately less than 200lbs, but he has RB skills. He is so explosive, he could be an Achane type player.

15 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Payton Wilson is missing an ACL?

Is that possible?   And how unstable is the knee without an ACL?

If Lattimore is available for a mid round pick and Howie can make the contract work, I take that deal ALL DAY over taking a DB in the first. Then use 22 to take an OL, our two seconds on LB and WR, and from there we are pretty much set.

I’m really not a fan of trading up. There’s just not much of a distinguishing quality between the guys who will go around 15 and the guys who will be available at 22.

Sit tight and get one of these high upside OL at 22.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is that possible?   And how unstable is the knee without an ACL?

rumor at the combine was that he was passing medicals. I guess we will see if and how far he drops past round 2. 

4 hours ago, bitbased said:

Don't have to look very far for examples. AJ Brown is considered a miss on that chart. Sneed also a miss.

The metric isn't great... but its at least an objective one, rather than a subjective one.   They might want to put a caveat for trades... and the team trading for the player would have to extend their contract.   It would be interesting to see.   Jalen Ramsey is an interesting case study.   Clearly a 'hit', but also on his 3rd team.  🤷‍♂️

2 minutes ago, just relax said:

So was Vince Young. And Bush, while excellent and fun to watch, was not even the key to their running game. That was Lendale White.

That whole ere was great. Lendale White, Reggie Bush, Justin Fargas, Dwayne Jarrett, Mike Williams, Steve Smith, Taylor Mays, Brian Cushing, Keith Rivers, Stanley Havili, Clay Matthews, Rey Maualuga, Fred Jackson, Lawrence Jackson, Patrick Turner, Matt Leinart, Joe McKnight. A who's who of ridiculous talent.

4 hours ago, McMVP said:

so would be Jason Peters

Jason Peters was a UDFA.  Doesn't qualify.   He's like the ultimate outlier.

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

But why re-structure him a few months ago just to clear his contract this year? If they were going to move on from him you'd think they would have just traded him without converting his base salary in 2024 to a bonus and paying it.

Why would they restructure and then immediately discard him? The same reason that NYG traded Odell 7 months after giving him the largest non-QB contract in team history, the same reason that the Jaguars came to the conclusion that Trayvon Walker was a better player than Aiden Hutchinson, and the same reason in 2022 the Saints gave us a free 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick so they could draft a OT whose started 6 games in 2 years… after doing the same thing in 2018 for a DE who averaged 7 starts over his rookie deal. 

I’m going to tell you a secret that you probably already know, but saying it out loud gives it gravitas: If Drew Brees didn’t exist, Mickey Loomis wouldn’t have made it to 2010.

 

Marshon was worth the contract they gave him, but how they’re handling it is horrible. There is no reason he should cost 60m$ over the next 2 years for a contract with an AAV under 20m$. Mickey had to structure it that way to get out from under his other crippling mistakes, and now he’ll have to correct this one to show everyone how smart he is. He had to restructure him to make rent, and now the choice is eat that money for some draft assets, or potentially cut him for nothing next offseason.

29 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Bush was far and way the best college football player I’ve seen in my lifetime (started watching CFB in the late 90’s). 

This got me thinking about whom I would list. Having lived a bit longer, my list begins with Jim Brown and Roger Staubach.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Jason Peters was a UDFA.  Doesn't qualify.   He's like the ultimate outlier.

I thought a ‘miss’ was any player that didn’t sign a second contract with the team that drafted him.  Peters didn’t sign a second contract with Buffalo.  
 

Edit: I now see what you’re saying.  I guess I find it very hard to imagine the fact that he was not drafted.  You’re right…the ultimate outlier

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is that possible?   And how unstable is the knee without an ACL?

 

A linebacker who falls in the draft due to an injury problem?

Howie:

 

You people are slacking. Get in my draft game.

 

8 minutes ago, just relax said:

This got me thinking about whom I would list. Having lived a bit longer, my list begins with Jim Brown and Roger Staubach.

Figured you would list Woodson…