1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

very plausibly be the 4th option for the entirety of his rookie deal.

 

I would guess that if you think the Eagles will be spending big big money on both Smith and Brown for the next 4 years,  that you wouldn't think the Eagles should spend resources on WR.

However,  if you think that the Eagles shouldn't be spending big big money on both Smith and Brown,  and think that Brown might very well be traded after the 2024 season, because too much money, overall, at the WR position,  you will want to get a new WR (it's not like the Eagles actually have a lot of WRs) and you will want to see him play well so that they can be comfortable letting Brown go.  You also would like new WR to be able to do what Brown does.   I think maybe Smith could use a backup, too. 

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

I wouldnt be excited to see the Giants get Penix.

He was an inaccurate running QB at Indiana. He went to Washington and became the best pocket passer in the draft. Then he reminded people at his pro day that hes still a really good athlete too. 

He has an elite arm. Good accuracy, and + athleticism.

He may struggle a bit under pressure but its also important to remember, hes only been in a more advanced offense for a few years after leaving Indiana where he was just a runner.

I think people act like hes a finished product. Its important to remember he has had very little time to develop QB skills, and still has a lot of development yet to happen.

Hes good. And I think he can be scary good with a few more years with pro coaching.

 

Of course if the Giants draft him, that probably means he actually sucks. But I just dont think he does. 

 

Terrible mechanics and footwork, doesn’t see the field well.  I’d love for the Giants reach on him.  He’s a day 2 pick at best.

4 hours ago, justwinbaby said:

They say why? I thought I remember him mentioning a while back he may have cancer

They didn't. He was there for a show about a week ago and a half agoand  then the next day he wasn't and he posted on social media that he would no longer be on the show.

2 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

People probably wouldn't hate McLane if he wasn't softer than baby crap.  He has half the city blocked on twitter.

That and the fact that he got his ass beat by an old man once (Les Bowen)

41 minutes ago, RLC said:

I've lived through Danny Watkins. No other pick can cause us that kind of pain anymore. 

Jon Harris and Marcus Smith say hold my beer

I'm hearing the Eagles might trade up for an OL, or a CB, or a WR, or Bowers, or............

24 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Jon Harris, Danny Watkins, Kevin Kolb. Those were definitely some shocking picks. 

Jalen Hurts

Jeremiah, Davis, and Richard all have JC Latham going in the top 10 of their final mocks. Jeremiah has him going 5th. There must be some late information that he is a big time riser.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

He's the only OL of the bunch I would be unhappy with lol. Because I think he has the lowest potential at OT. Trading up to 12 for a guy whose primary upside is at OG would be insane.

 

Right Guard is the only OL position that's close to remotely open. 

There is a ton of talk around here about Stout and who he loves,  and because of the excellent track record,  we should allow him to have the resources to let him get what he wants.  If he can train the players,  and identify the players he can train,  then why not?  

The reason why not is that the Eagles have actual needs right now,  not merely the pursuit of some platonic idea offensive line for the year 2027.    Could be though that the Eagles don't have anywhere near the confidence in their ability to identify a good Cornerback or identify and make a good CB than they do in their ability to identify and make a Right Guard. 

Last year,  the Eagles OL was great. 

Last year, the Eagles CBs were below average.

First round pick,  add very good to great new CB, make CB room above average.  In theory there should be a good CB there at 22.   That mock draft that had the Eagles trading up to 12 (what did they give up to do that?  That's a loss of significant resources)  had DeJean going at 25,  and Wiggins after that. 

Underrated shocking draft moment is Alex Henery in the 4th. That guy sucked then and would suck even more now. 

Would you guys prefer:

Fuaga / Fautanu AND Melton / Phillips

OR

MItchell / Arnold AND Rosengarten / Suamataia

1 hour ago, devpool said:

Marcus Smith another that would be tough to beat. The loudest "WHO???" of my life after that pick. Absolutely atrocious

Jon Harris takes the cake for me.

Marcus Smith was more frustrating as all the players I wanted went immediately before, so we logically traded down. Then we pass on Lawrenxe for Smith. Just bad vibes.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Latham is fools gold.  I bought into the pre draft hype until I saw the bad film.  He's isn't a good run blocker nor is he athletic enough to play RT.  If for some reason the Eagles draft, lord please make me a fool Stoutland 

I wish someone would ask Howie how many first-round grades the Eagles have this year. SF has 22. The Giants have 15. 

23 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Would you guys prefer:

Fuaga / Fautanu AND Melton / Phillips

OR

MItchell / Arnold AND Rosengarten / Suamataia

DeJean / Wiggins AND Christian Haynes 

28 minutes ago, RLC said:

Marcus Smith was more frustrating as all the players I wanted went immediately before, so we logically traded down. Then we pass on Lawrenxe for Smith. Just bad vibes.

I knew Marcus Smith was a bust the second we picked him. I can't remember another pick I was so angry at.

Oh and F Jaiquawn Jarrett too.

26 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Latham is fools gold.  I bought into the pre draft hype until I saw the bad film.  He's isn't a good run blocker nor is he athletic enough to play RT.  If for some reason the Eagles draft, lord please make me a fool Stoutland 🙏

 

56 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

 

Right Guard is the only OL position that's close to remotely open. 

There is a ton of talk around here about Stout and who he loves,  and because of the excellent track record,  we should allow him to have the resources to let him get what he wants.  If he can train the players,  and identify the players he can train,  then why not?  

The reason why not is that the Eagles have actual needs right now,  not merely the pursuit of some platonic idea offensive line for the year 2027.    Could be though that the Eagles don't have anywhere near the confidence in their ability to identify a good Cornerback or identify and make a good CB than they do in their ability to identify and make a Right Guard. 

Last year,  the Eagles OL was great. 

Last year, the Eagles CBs were below average.

First round pick,  add very good to great new CB, make CB room above average.  In theory there should be a good CB there at 22.   That mock draft that had the Eagles trading up to 12 (what did they give up to do that?  That's a loss of significant resources)  had DeJean going at 25,  and Wiggins after that. 

Totally disagree.

If you have an advantage in one area, like we do with drafting and developing offensive lineman, then you should exploit that advantage as much as possible. Pour all the resources you can into it, because that is going to get you the best return. This is doubly true with something as important as the OL, where your offense will completely fall apart with even one bad player.

If you have a weakness, like we may with drafting and developing DBs, then you try to find other ways to fill those needs, like we have with trading for Slay, signing Bradburry, bringing back CJGJ, and picking up Rodgers. Those are proven NFL players, so you limit your risk on resources spent rather than relying on an unreliable process within your organization.

Frankly, this is basic business management and why so many companies focus on their core function. If you’re great at advertising but bad at production, then you outsource the production of your product and put all your resources into advertising. This is very basic stuff.

In a perfect world we get Lattimore with a mid round pick and draft an OL early. That is how we will maximize the expected return on our limited resources.

55 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

Latham is fools gold.  I bought into the pre draft hype until I saw the bad film.  He's isn't a good run blocker nor is he athletic enough to play RT.  If for some reason the Eagles draft, lord please make me a fool Stoutland 

Totally disagree. I think there is a good chance he ends up the best OL in this draft.

Yes, he is a bit raw — not as raw as Suamataia, but still needs work — but he has enormous potential. He’s huge, low center of gravity, long arms, strong hands, powerful, and he can somehow run better than 290 pound guys at 340+.

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

Jeremiah, Davis, and Richard all have JC Latham going in the top 10 of their final mocks. Jeremiah has him going 5th. There must be some late information that he is a big time riser.

It’s just that everyone else is behind the NFL scouts. Latham has the highest upside of all the OL in this draft.

Same reason I think Suamataia is going to go a lot earlier than most people. These guys have crazy upside.

2 minutes ago, TEW said:

Totally disagree.

If you have an advantage in one area, like we do with drafting and developing offensive lineman, then you should exploit that advantage as much as possible. Pour all the resources you can into it, because that is going to get you the best return. This is doubly true with something as important as the OL, where your offense will completely fall apart with even one bad player.

If you have a weakness, like we may with drafting and developing DBs, then you try to find other ways to fill those needs, like we have with trading for Slay, signing Bradburry, bringing back CJGJ, and picking up Rodgers. Those are proven NFL players, so you limit your risk on resources spent rather than relying on an unreliable process within your organization.

Frankly, this is basic business management and why so many companies focus on their core function. If you’re great at advertising but bad at production, then you outsource the production of your product and put all your resources into advertising. This is very basic stuff.

In a perfect world we get Lattimore with a mid round pick and draft an OL early. That is how we will maximize the expected return on our limited resources.

What's the point of having an excess of backup OL?
If Stout is so good at making good OL,  why does he need a first rounder,  why is a trade up needed?
Fuaga is a right tackle,  which is useful in 2027.  The Eagles have Steen to back up Lane,  if Steen has to back up Lane, the Eagles might need a RG, because Steen would be moving from RG.   Fuaga is not a RG.   Christian Haynes is a RG, and he'll be available in the 2nd or later.  Zak Zinter is a RG,  he'd be available in the 3rd or 4th. 

I spent more time typing out the argument for drafting an OL than the CB argument,  but the CB argument boils down to - the Eagles need good players at CB.  They have a lot of backup CBs with PFFs around 45-50.  But there's a real shortage of actually good or great CBs.   On the OL,  the Eagles have 3 great OL, one who should be good at Center,  and Steen, also likely good at RG.  3 great out of 5 OL is a lot of great.  0 great anywhere in the DB,  and the best CB last year, Slay, was slightly above average.   

The average quality per position is much higher at OL,  cornerbacks really need a really good piece to bring the average up.  Now,  for snaps this year.  
 

10 minutes ago, TEW said:

Totally disagree. I think there is a good chance he ends up the best OL in this draft.

Yes, he is a bit raw — not as raw as Suamataia, but still needs work — but he has enormous potential. He’s huge, low center of gravity, long arms, strong hands, powerful, and he can somehow run better than 290 pound guys at 340+.

why does Latham have no combine or pro day numbers?

I don't see any reason to think that Latham runs better than someone lighter?

And if it's because he was hurt,  being hurt isn't is a good thing you trade up for.