58 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

 

 

 

Quinyon seems like he's ready to fight every minute of the day haha. Like that in a CB

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The idea that there's a 'never' preference is to mistake the fact that each trade is unique.  

Eagles traded back in 2014. 

Cleveland traded up to pick 22 - Johnny Football.   

Eagles got pick 26 and 83...
Eagles traded 83 back to get 101 and 141.

Eagles came away with: Marcus Smith, Jaylen Watkins, Taylor Hart.

 

I'd say no one 'won' that trade.  Incidentally, #83 was Louis Nix, who also bounced around the league never having played in a game.  Short, sad story post-NFL career.  He was shot in 2020, and survived.  But was found in his car, in a pond in 2021.  M.E. said that his death was by drowning, with alcohol in his system.

 

Moral of the story:  Trading up can pay off if you have the right target in mind to acquire.  Equally, trading down can pay off if you can leverage those extra picks into something.  But, ultimately, it all comes down to your evaluations, both in trading up and trading down.  Good teams make good evaluations and 'win' these trades, whether they are trading up or down.  And the opposite is true for bad teams.  They are going to 'lose' these trades whether they are trading up.   In the previous example, the Browns traded up, and 'lost'.  The Eagles traded back, and also 'lost'.  

The Browns could have had Teddy Bridgewater or Derek Carr without making the trade, both of whom fared much better in the NFL than Manziel.  
The Eagles could have had Dee Ford had they stayed put.  But, even in the trade down scenario, they could have had Demarcus Lawrence or Trent Murphy... both of whom had far better careers than the combination of players the Eagles ended up with.

Back then, both teams had bad draft processes... and both screwed up.  It had nothing to do with their trade... and everything to do with their evaluation processes.  They just failed to identify the talent that was available to them.

No argument with any of this. However...

Over and over, we say that the draft is a crap shoot. If we think of GMs as blind chickens, they do occasionally find a kernel. The ones who peck more tend to do better. You attribute the failures there to bad process and you are right. All the same, if you have a bad process and can peck more, you might come up with a Tom Brady ay pick 199.

Sorry about mixing metaphors in midstream.

16 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Raiders have no reason to trade Mayer.  There are lots of 2 TE sets, and now they have 2 pretty good TEs there.  

It doesn't always work out, but if you believe in a player enough, you should go up and get him. 

Successful trade up examples off the top of my head: Josh Allen (Bills moved up in the 1st to get him), Lamar Jackson (Ravens traded moved up in a trade with US to get him!)

We traded up to get DeVonta and that worked out OK?  (Sadly, the pick we traded turned into Micah Parsons....so...)

Patrick Mahomes was also a good trade up.

 

Trade backs?   They can also work out.   Washington traded out with the Saints back in 1999...  Washington went from 5 to 12, getting all of that year's draft and a first and third the following year.   Then Washington traded up, using some (3rd, 4th and 5th round picks for 1999), but not all of their newly found bounty to land their intended target.

Saints got Ricky Williams.

Washington got: Champ Bailey and Lavar Arrington (amongst a few others).

Washington definitely won that trade, IMO.  Because they had a target and they made sure that they got their target AND maximized the return on their asset (#5 overall pick).   That was some great manuevering by them.  Shame for them is that they never made anything of it, and then traded away Bailey for a RB... like dopes!

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Could be where the Rakestraw interest comes in to play. 

And (hopefully not) Andru Phillips.

 

Bullard would be an excellent pick. 4.4 speed. Solid build for safety/big nickel hybrid role. Plenty of man coverage experience. His film study and preparation is otherworldly. Theres no way he isnt successful in the league with his smarts and work.

I like Rakestraw too. Hoping for OG/LB/DB today. Possibly WR.

16 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I love that team so F'n much  Well except Castellanos

This says it all. He’s not just bad but arguably one of the worst in baseball  

 

Lol

 

4 minutes ago, just relax said:

No argument with any of this. However...

Over and over, we say that the draft is a crap shoot. If we think of GMs as blind chickens, they do occasionally find a kernel. The ones who peck more tend to do better. You attribute the failures there to bad process and you are right. All the same, if you have a bad process and can peck more, you might come up with a Tom Brady ay pick 199.

Sorry about mixing metaphors in midstream.

Some say that.   I disagree with it entirely.   It is NOT a crap shoot.   It is far more a game of blackjack than craps.... and a smart gambler, who knows how to read the deck can win far more than his counterparts.   We've seen this over the years with various different GMs, both good and bad.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Lol

 

Atlanta is the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you Atlanta.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Some say that.   I disagree with it entirely.   It is NOT a crap shoot.   It is far more a game of blackjack than craps.... and a smart gambler, who knows how to read the deck can win far more than his counterparts.   We've seen this over the years with various different GMs, both good and bad.

If you’re a card counter you’re banned from the casino.

46 minutes ago, just relax said:

Going back to the trade down, never up theme.

Panthers got Bryce Young - First overall.

Bears got D.J. Moore, Darnell Moore, Tyrique Stevenson, Caleb Williams - first overall, a second rounder yet to come in 2024 and a second rounder in 2025.

Houston got Will Anderson, third overall, and, if I can trace the deal correctly through myriad other trades, they got our 2024 3rd rounder. We got Ringo.

Arizona got Paris Johnson, B.J Ojulari, Michael Wilson, Darius Robinson, and a third rounder yet to come in 2024, not to be confused with our 3rd rounder.

I'd say the teams that traded down did really well.

 

Bears did pretty good... I for sure thought they would get an OL instead of Odunze though. Caleb will be running for his life but have some good weapons.

38 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I am really happy with the cohesion in the Eagles approach going back to 2021.

It's pretty clear that the attempts to "keep the window open" in 2019 and 2020 were failures.  It's also apparent that Howie learned from those mistakes.  They are not jumping at immediate needs anymore, but rather following a simple set of rules - focus on the trenches, don't reach during the draft, and keep young talent in the building. 

The jealousy/admiration for the Eagles and Howie around the NFL is not a bit.  The Eagles are a very well run franchise. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This says it all. He’s not just bad but arguably one of the worst in baseball  

 

Like that entire team, Castellanos is a very streaky hitter.  You gotta ride out the slumps if you want to get the highs, too.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Some say that.   I disagree with it entirely.   It is NOT a crap shoot.   It is far more a game of blackjack than craps.... and a smart gambler, who knows how to read the deck can win far more than his counterparts.   We've seen this over the years with various different GMs, both good and bad.

Nah... it's a crap shoot. Odds are pretty damn bad for everyone. The GMs that you think are good from a far struggle with the same probabilities.

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

You're right. Fans see their team's pick is in...then Goodell yaps too long and then they bring up special fans or whoever to call the pick and while they're at it, they give a speech or something. 

I wasn't able to watch on TV so on my laptop I searched YouTube for a good live stream. I don't like Pat McAfee, but I saw he had Bill Belichick on. The rest of the panel were doing their usual clowning around but Bill gave good analysis. They also had guests on like Barry Sanders and others. And then they would show the pick quickly, then back to talking about the picks and showing highlights.

Belichick really likes Mitchell and had great things to say about him.

The fact that both BB and Saban have high praise for this young man carries a lot of weight. Both of those guys know great DB's.

45 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Quinyon seems like he's ready to fight every minute of the day haha. Like that in a CB

His "intro" and demeanor last night reminded me a lot of DeVonta. All business...until the cameras are off him, then into the crowd. Still in shock we got him without having to move.

5 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Like that entire team, Castellanos is a very streaky hitter.  You gotta ride out the slumps if you want to get the highs, too.

At some point it’s not a slump. When his fWAR for his entire tenure with the Phillies is that of a below replacement player. it’s more of it is who he is. Harper, schwarber, Stott, Bohm, realmuto and Turner go into slumps. He’s been good with his bat for about 3.5 months of his time here and 1 playoff series (with his bat). 

9 minutes ago, judunno said:

Bears did pretty good... I for sure thought they would get an OL instead of Odunze though. Caleb will be running for his life but have some good weapons.

They got Darnell Wright in 2023. He’s going to be very good. They drafted Braxton Jones in 2022. He made the all-rookie team. They’ve got their tackles.

 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

At some point it’s not a slump. When his fWAR for his entire tenure with the Phillies is that of a below replacement player. it’s more of it is who he is. Harper, schwarber, Stott, Bohm, realmuto and Turner go into slumps. He’s been good with his bat for about 3.5 months of his time here and 1 playoff series (with his bat). 

I just hope he get 20-25 hr’s by the end of the year. He is bad on offense but I will say his defense has gotten better. 

PFF's best fits round 2

Philadelphia Eagles: OG Cooper Beebe, Kansas State

Cam Jurgens slides inside to center this year to take over for retired Eagles legend Jason Kelce, leaving a hole at right guard. Beebe allowed just nine total pressures last season while posting an impressive pass protection grade of 90.4.

3 minutes ago, just relax said:

They got Darnell Wright in 2023. He’s going to be very good. They drafted Braxton Jones in 2022. He made the all-rookie team. They’ve got their tackles.

Interior line is garbage then? Because didn't seem like they were good at all in pass pro.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

PFF's best fits round 2

Philadelphia Eagles: OG Cooper Beebe, Kansas State

Cam Jurgens slides inside to center this year to take over for retired Eagles legend Jason Kelce, leaving a hole at right guard. Beebe allowed just nine total pressures last season while posting an impressive pass protection grade of 90.4.

We will land at least one Cooper tonight and all 3 are on my short list

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

 

 

Alright

36 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Jeffrey seemed genuinely excited like Jerry Jones in an elevator.

 

Not feeling the natural excitement from the room, almost like, ok let's take this guy, he fell, can't really go wrong here, good value for a position of need, ho hum. Wonder if they had others they really wanted to move up for for and it didn't work out...

4 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I just hope he get 20-25 hr’s by the end of the year. He is bad on offense but I will say his defense has gotten better. 

At this point he’s on pace for 0 HRs lol his average is .177. His OBP is .233. His slugging is .198. He also has one extra base hit in 26 games. that’s atrocious

Just now, greendestiny27 said:

 

Not feeling the natural excitement from the room, almost like, ok let's take this guy, he fell, can't really go wrong here, good value for a position of need, ho hum. Wonder if they had others they really wanted to move up for for and it didn't work out...

Yea I picked up on that too. Lurie was the only one who sounded excited.

They need Vic Fangio punching the air like Gannon used to.