2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

dont forget about the new kick return rule. I think the eagles clearly valued KR this year. They have a whole bunch of really good options now. Rodgers is probably the best one. He averaged like 27 yards in the NFL. Shipley may be the next best. He averaged about 26 in college. 

I’m not aware of the new rule, so I guess that changes things.  But they’ve been willing to have literally anyone back there to just not fumble on the return for the last 8 years.

When Solak called Shipley a JAG, he didn’t say he sucked, it was more he’s solid but he doesn’t think he excels at any one thing. He’s not overly strong, isn’t a guy who’s really good at breaking tackles. Doesn’t have great explosiveness or speed. Can catch passes, but isn’t an elite receiving back. He was Sheil’s least favorite pick.
 

I think he has a little more juice burst wise than they let on. I saw some other Eagles fans disappointed with the pick and I think what it is, is he’s like a prototypical backup RB. He’s a Jack of all trades type player, but I don’t know if he has RB1 potential. He’s the type of guy who probably sticks around the league for a while as a RB2/RB3. I think Solak and Sheil wanted someone who could be a feature back in waiting behind Barkley. That doesn’t mean it’s a bad pick, he’ll have a role in this offense. I suspect the Eagles will use him like the Patriots used James White all those years.

9 minutes ago, just relax said:

I beg to differ. I look at all the guys that got away but were right there to be had. Suamataia, Roman Wilson, Mccormick, Wingo. Add Eric All to that list. The draft could have been an all-timer but it most certainly was not. Zinter too. Keegan is good but Zinter is better.

When they traded down like 3 times in a row I thought, maybe the 1st time a player got sniped in front of them. They did it again, and more OL went off the board. And I thought, if they really wanted any of these guys they would have picked them instead of trading down again.

I dont think they missed on that many players. 

You may be too focused on your "my guys". Yeah they could have had more of the names that we discussed in here.

But they got a lot. It looks like it should be a very impactful draft class. And they got more picks in next years potentially more talented class. Itll be a year closer to needing Lane's replacement and probably makes more sense to put that off for another year anyway. Lane has at least 2 years. Now we hear rumors of 4-5 more years.... I dont feel bad about any OL missed. 

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’m not aware of the new rule, so I guess that changes things.  But they’ve been willing to have literally anyone back there to just not fumble on the return for the last 8 years.

thats because you had very few opportunities to actually return it. Now, the KR is going to be a very regular part of the game again. You need a playmaker there. And the eagles have accumulated a group of them.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

When Solak called Shipley a JAG, he didn’t say he sucked, it was more he’s solid but he doesn’t think he excels at any one thing. He’s not overly strong, isn’t a guy who’s really good at breaking tackles. Doesn’t have great explosiveness or speed. Can catch passes, but isn’t an elite receiving back. He was Sheil’s least favorite pick.
 

I think he has a little more juice burst wise than they let on. I saw some other Eagles fans disappointed with the pick and I think what it is, is he’s like a prototypical backup RB. He’s a Jack of all trades type player, but I don’t know if he has RB1 potential. He’s the type of guy who probably sticks around the league for a while as a RB2/RB3. I think Solak and Sheil wanted someone who could be a feature back in waiting behind Barkley. That doesn’t mean it’s a bad pick, he’ll have a role in this offense. I suspect the Eagles will use him like the Patriots used James White all those years.

His workout measurables are very similar and some even a little better than Christian McCaffrey and both have/had the same skill set coming out of college. 

McCaffrey wasnt strong either. Then he turned in to a power back in the NFL. Everyone says Shipley isnt strong and yet, there are a whole bunch of highlights of him running through tackles, and bull dozing his way to extra yardage or in to the end zone. He has flashes of being that type of player. He has that mentality.

Remember how easily LeSean McCoy used to go down in his first year or 2 here? He added strength. Its one of the easiest things to change and improve for a player.

Shipley is gonna be good. Is he going to be McCaffrey? Probably not. But Im not ruling it out either. 

The JAG, not elusive, no upside stuff is all BS to me. Hes just an underrated player. Cant wait for him to prove doubters wrong.

I really think they should bring in Connor Williams if he’s willing to sign with someone. He may not be. They need all the OL depth they can get. My biggest concern with the team right now.

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

I think a majority of Eagles fans really like this draft overall

However, everyone should remember this day because in 2-3 years if some or all of these players dont work out, dont go calling for Howie's job because overall people like these picks and thought the FO did a great job. Nothing more I hate then someone saying something then when it doesnt turn out they lie and say all along they didnt like it and want someone fired. 

 

Just like a poster here I wont call out his name. Though the draft was trash after the 2nd/3rd round and we should trade all the picks. Didnt want Trotter Jr at all, also claimed Wilson had to be moved to TE and he couldn't see him as a WR. Now he was happy with our Day 3 picks and through they were good pick ups for the round, We draft Trotter and hes thrilled with the pick now. Reports come out Wilson will be positioned as a WR and is the best fit and now he posts Oh Wilson can;t be a TE, he needs to be a WR. Just eat your crow and move on, don't change your mind after the data, facts and results happen and claim it was your theory all along. 

i mean the pats didnt draft well over the years and still won 6 superbowls and made the playoffs, it's the matter of how well you mange the roster of what you hit in the draft and fill the holes in fa and trades.

Expanding on the OL post. It’s gonna be tough to get to 53. The big wildcard is Bradberry. I know it’s easy to say cut him with Mitchell and DeJean here, but we don’t really know what DeJean is yet. Rookie corners tend to suck, so it’s not as easy as putting Mitchell in the lineup sight unseen.

Looking at how I broke it down below, that puts us at 52, with one spot to play with.

QB (3) - Hurts, Pickett, McKee

RB (3) - Barkley, Gainwell, Shipley (add one or two to the PS)

WR (6) - Brown, Smith, A. Smith, Campbell or Parker, Wilson, Covey (Covey was really good as PR. I think people are dismissing him too quickly. My hope is Campbell beats out Parker.)

TE (3) - Goedert, Uzomah, Albert O (Uzomah gets the nod due to blocking ability. Calcaterra competes with the Tennessee UDFA for a PS spot)

OL (9) - See earlier post

DT (5) - Carter, Davis, Williams, Marlon T, Ojomo

Edge (6) - Huff, Sweat, Smith, Hunt, Baun, Graham

LB (4) - Dean, White, Trotter Jr., Burks (Baun can play a little LB to help out, maybe Van Sumeran pushed Burks off the roster, but I think they want at least one backup with real LB experience. Burks is a good STer too.)

CB (7) - Slay, Bradberry, Mitchell, Ringo, DeJean, Maddox/Rodgers/Hall/Ricks. (This is where it gets interesting. We have to go heavy at CB knowing Slay is likely gone in 2025, and Bradberry is gone no later than next offseason. If DeJean isn’t the nickel, then it’s one of Maddox or Hall. If it’s Maddox, we know we’ll need a real backup in Hall. Maybe Rodgers ends up in the slot? Regardless, there are so many moving parts here it’s almost impossible to predict. The two major dominos are Bradberry and DeJean.)

S (3) - CJGJ, Blankenship, Brown (Brown’s injury complicates things. They probably need a fourth safety at least early on, but we don’t have a player good enough to push a corner off the roster. Again, DeJean is a wildcard.)

ST (3) - Elliott, Mann, Lovato

1 hour ago, CouchKing said:

I don't like this draft.

Howie got a bit too cute starting on day two with Cooper DeJean.

We needed premium linemen too.

Don't think we treated OL or DL with enough talent to backfill loss of players like Kelce, Cox, and eventually Lane and BG.

Next year, I guess.

When you draft for need you burn yourself.  Not sure how many times that needs to be said.  There’s 31 other teams trying to get better…well about 29 because the Jags and Falcons exist.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I really think they should bring in Connor Williams if he’s willing to sign with someone. He may not be. They need all the OL depth they can get. My biggest concern with the team right now.

Id be plenty happy with Hennessey starting at G, and Steen being the first OL off the bench at any G or Tackle position. He wont be a worse tackle than Driscoll was. 

Michigan Rookie is more depth at G. McMahon is more depth at center.

If anything, I think our OL situation has improved from last year. 

It was probably too early to actually expect our RT of the future to be drafted. 

24 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I don't think McMahon is a lock. Kinnard is actually an interesting prospect. We'll see

Perhaps not, but I think they want an athletic backup center and with Steen unproven, they might not be able to commit to Hennessy being that guy. McMahon as a draft pick will get a fairly long leash. He’ll have to bomb to get cut. 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Expanding on the OL post. It’s gonna be tough to get to 53. The big wildcard is Bradberry. I know it’s easy to say cut him with Mitchell and DeJean here, but we don’t really know what DeJean is yet. Rookie corners tend to suck, so it’s not as easy as putting Mitchell in the lineup sight unseen.

Looking at how I broke it down below, that puts us at 52, with one spot to play with.

QB (3) - Hurts, Pickett, McKee

RB (3) - Barkley, Gainwell, Shipley (add one or two to the PS)

WR (6) - Brown, Smith, A. Smith, Campbell or Parker, Wilson, Covey (Covey was really good as PR. I think people are dismissing him too quickly. My hope is Campbell beats out Parker.)

TE (3) - Goedert, Uzomah, Albert O (Uzomah gets the nod due to blocking ability. Calcaterra competes with the Tennessee UDFA for a PS spot)

OL (9) - See earlier post

DT (5) - Carter, Davis, Williams, Marlon T, Ojomo

Edge (6) - Huff, Sweat, Smith, Hunt, Baun, Graham

LB (4) - Dean, White, Trotter Jr., Burks (Baun can play a little LB to help out, maybe Van Sumeran pushed Burks off the roster, but I think they want at least one backup with real LB experience. Burks is a good STer too.)

CB (7) - Slay, Bradberry, Mitchell, Ringo, DeJean, Maddox/Rodgers/Hall/Ricks. (This is where it gets interesting. We have to go heavy at CB knowing Slay is likely gone in 2025, and Bradberry is gone no later than next offseason. If DeJean isn’t the nickel, then it’s one of Maddox or Hall. If it’s Maddox, we know we’ll need a real backup in Hall. Maybe Rodgers ends up in the slot? Regardless, there are so many moving parts here it’s almost impossible to predict. The two major dominos are Bradberry and DeJean.)

S (3) - CJGJ, Blankenship, Brown (Brown’s injury complicates things. They probably need a fourth safety at least early on, but we don’t have a player good enough to push a corner off the roster. Again, DeJean is a wildcard.)

ST (3) - Elliott, Mann, Lovato

I’m more confident in DeJawn starting as a rookie.  I think this will be like the Lito/Sheldon draft.  Mitchell will need some time to adjust to NFL caliber WR’s and O’s but he will be serviceable from the start when Slay gets a boo boo.  JawnPiece can come in and start right away IMO at CB2 or a few other places.

22 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’m not aware of the new rule, so I guess that changes things.  But they’ve been willing to have literally anyone back there to just not fumble on the return for the last 8 years.

Oh man, I wish you would have been oblivious to it until you watched the season opener. It would have blown your mind. 

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Expanding on the OL post. It’s gonna be tough to get to 53. The big wildcard is Bradberry. I know it’s easy to say cut him with Mitchell and DeJean here, but we don’t really know what DeJean is yet. Rookie corners tend to suck, so it’s not as easy as putting Mitchell in the lineup sight unseen.

Looking at how I broke it down below, that puts us at 52, with one spot to play with.

QB (3) - Hurts, Pickett, McKee

RB (3) - Barkley, Gainwell, Shipley (add one or two to the PS)

WR (6) - Brown, Smith, A. Smith, Campbell or Parker, Wilson, Covey (Covey was really good as PR. I think people are dismissing him too quickly. My hope is Campbell beats out Parker.)

TE (3) - Goedert, Uzomah, Albert O (Uzomah gets the nod due to blocking ability. Calcaterra competes with the Tennessee UDFA for a PS spot)

OL (9) - See earlier post

DT (5) - Carter, Davis, Williams, Marlon T, Ojomo

Edge (6) - Huff, Sweat, Smith, Hunt, Baun, Graham

LB (4) - Dean, White, Trotter Jr., Burks (Baun can play a little LB to help out, maybe Van Sumeran pushed Burks off the roster, but I think they want at least one backup with real LB experience. Burks is a good STer too.)

CB (7) - Slay, Bradberry, Mitchell, Ringo, DeJean, Maddox/Rodgers/Hall/Ricks. (This is where it gets interesting. We have to go heavy at CB knowing Slay is likely gone in 2025, and Bradberry is gone no later than next offseason. If DeJean isn’t the nickel, then it’s one of Maddox or Hall. If it’s Maddox, we know we’ll need a real backup in Hall. Maybe Rodgers ends up in the slot? Regardless, there are so many moving parts here it’s almost impossible to predict. The two major dominos are Bradberry and DeJean.)

S (3) - CJGJ, Blankenship, Brown (Brown’s injury complicates things. They probably need a fourth safety at least early on, but we don’t have a player good enough to push a corner off the roster. Again, DeJean is a wildcard.)

ST (3) - Elliott, Mann, Lovato

Yup, not many roster battles this year. You could probably guess 10 of the ps guys as well. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Expanding on the OL post. It’s gonna be tough to get to 53. The big wildcard is Bradberry. I know it’s easy to say cut him with Mitchell and DeJean here, but we don’t really know what DeJean is yet. Rookie corners tend to suck, so it’s not as easy as putting Mitchell in the lineup sight unseen.

Looking at how I broke it down below, that puts us at 52, with one spot to play with.

QB (3) - Hurts, Pickett, McKee

RB (3) - Barkley, Gainwell, Shipley (add one or two to the PS)

WR (6) - Brown, Smith, A. Smith, Campbell or Parker, Wilson, Covey (Covey was really good as PR. I think people are dismissing him too quickly)

TE (3) - Goedert, Uzomah, Albert O (Uzomah gets the nod due to blocking ability. Calcaterra competes with the Tennessee UDFA for a PS spot)

OL (9) - See earlier post

DT (5) - Carter, Davis, Williams, Marlon T, Ojomo

Edge (6) - Huff, Sweat, Smith, Hunt, Baun, Graham

LB (4) - Dean, White, Trotter Jr., Burks (Baun can play a little LB to help out, maybe Van Sumeran pushed Burks off the roster, but I think they want at least one backup with real LB experience. Burks is a good STer too.)

CB (7) - Slay, Bradberry, Mitchell, Ringo, DeJean, Maddox/Rodgers/Hall/Ricks. (This is where it gets interesting. We have to go heavy at CB knowing Slay is likely gone in 2025, and Bradberry is gone no later than next offseason. If DeJean isn’t the nickel, then it’s one of Maddox or Hall. If it’s Maddox, we know we’ll need a real backup in Hall. Maybe Rodgers ends up in the slot? Regardless, there are so many moving parts here it’s almost impossible to predict. The two major dominos are Bradberry and DeJean.)

S (3) - CJGJ, Blankenship, Brown (Brown’s injury complicates things. They probably need a fourth safety at least early on, but we don’t have a player good enough to push a corner off the roster. Again, DeJean is a wildcard.)

ST (3) - Elliott, Mann, Lovato

Hunt I think is a virtual lock to be phantom IR guy this year. Probably Wilson too. Unless he shines in camp. I still think the positions they will still look at are OL, TE, WR, RB. I am really curious to see if they end up cutting Bradberry. I actually hope they don’t at this point. I think he’s probably shot, but I think there’s an outside chance Fangio could do something to make him not terrible and even if he doesn’t start, he could be ok as a depth guy in case someone gets banged up. Hard to say if he can make the crunch until we see how Hall and Rodgers look in camp. Really have no idea at all what to expect of either tbh.

Anyone else going to get a custom DeJawn jersey?

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

Anyone else going to get a custom DeJawn jersey?

Im not sure. I might just get the real deal. The poor guy will sell a ton of jerseys and get 0 royalties from it.

25 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

When Solak called Shipley a JAG, he didn’t say he sucked, it was more he’s solid but he doesn’t think he excels at any one thing. He’s not overly strong, isn’t a guy who’s really good at breaking tackles. Doesn’t have great explosiveness or speed. Can catch passes, but isn’t an elite receiving back. He was Sheil’s least favorite pick.
 

I think he has a little more juice burst wise than they let on. I saw some other Eagles fans disappointed with the pick and I think what it is, is he’s like a prototypical backup RB. He’s a Jack of all trades type player, but I don’t know if he has RB1 potential. He’s the type of guy who probably sticks around the league for a while as a RB2/RB3. I think Solak and Sheil wanted someone who could be a feature back in waiting behind Barkley. That doesn’t mean it’s a bad pick, he’ll have a role in this offense. I suspect the Eagles will use him like the Patriots used James White all those years.

Hes Chad Hall...

6 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

When you draft for need you burn yourself.  Not sure how many times that needs to be said.  There’s 31 other teams trying to get better…well about 29 because the Jags and Falcons exist.

I am also concerned with undersized players: DeJean, Jalyx Hunt, Shipley, Ainias Smith, Trotter

This is the all small, over performing little guy draft. 5 picks in a row.

No Linemen until the end of the 5th round. 

No DT. No OT. 

1 minute ago, CouchKing said:

I am also concerned with undersized players: DeJean, Jalyx Hunt, Shipley, Ainias Smith, Trotter

This is the all small, over performing little guy draft. 5 picks in a row.

No Linemen until the end of the 5th round. 

No DT. No OT. 

when did DeJean become small? Hunt isnt small either unless you are considering him as a DE which is mis-labeling him.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Hes Chad Hall...

You are set up to be pleasantly surprised. I dont think you could have aimed much lower. 

3 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

I am also concerned with undersized players: DeJean, Jalyx Hunt, Shipley, Ainias Smith, Trotter

This is the all small, over performing little guy draft. 5 picks in a row.

No Linemen until the end of the 5th round. 

No DT. No OT. 

You draft how the board breaks, i wish they hand gone OL earlier as Lane’s replacement isn’t visibly on the roster yet unless we are missing something.  DT though, we just spend so much resources on 2 the previous 2 drafts in premium spots and this was a terrible draft for DT’s IMO.  Who did we miss?

2 hours ago, just relax said:

Not entirely. It is in keeping with that Athletic article I cited that argued, trade back, never up. The trade was something I think the Eagles had to do but I think in terms of the talent added that Washington got more value.

Thanks for the clarification.

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

You draft how the board breaks, i wish they hand gone OL earlier as Lane’s replacement isn’t visibly on the roster yet unless we are missing something.  DT though, we just spend so much resources on 2 the previous 2 drafts in premium spots and this was a terrible draft for DT’s IMO.  Who did we miss?

It appears Wingo got sniped when we got traded in front of and then traded down. He was a Milton Williams clone who was a fit since we probably let Milton Williams go this year.

 

But the rotation still appears strong this year with Carter, Davis, and Williams. Ojamo and Booker have their chances to step up. Graham may always get a few snaps kicking in side too.

 

Hassan Ridgeway is out there who was a servicable backup if needed. As well as Blacklock who might be an interesting camp body type of signing. He was a talented drat prospect borderling 1st rounder who got drafred in round 2. Still just 25 years old.

 

2 hours ago, CouchKing said:

I don't like this draft.

Howie got a bit too cute starting on day two with Cooper DeJean.

We needed premium linemen too.

Don't think we treated OL or DL with enough talent to backfill loss of players like Kelce, Cox, and eventually Lane and BG.

Next year, I guess.

They drafted with sound philosophy so I can't see a reason to complain. The board fell differently in the first round than they anticipated and adjusted accordingly. No panic jumps, retained both of our 2nds and picked the basically consensus #1 CB in the class at 22. This allowed them to trade up relatively cheaply to 40 to pick up another DB that they had a first round grade on. Remember that GB used a 2025 2nd round to make a similar jump to us while we basically just moved back 25 spots with our second 2nd.

With lacking the talent depth in this draft, I feel like they played the field accordingly and any hits in the 3rd or later is just a bonus. Picked up a high upside OLB/Edge that can fit well in Fangio's scheme if he gets coached up. Solid backup OL choices. Trotter Jr has the potential to get playing time with our current group. Obviously they believe in Steen if they didn't make any desperate OL pickups.

I feel like this is the type of draft everyone asks for. With Slay and Bradberry likely not being on the squad past this season the only realistic starters at CB we had for 2025+ is Ringo and maybe Rodgers. That's it. Blankenship, Brown, CJGJ, Mitchell, DeJean and Ringo is a great, young core that hopefully sustains the secondary for a good while. Gives us the availability to focus on other needs in the future.