7 minutes ago, RLC said:

You saw the speed and separation of Smith and couldn't resist. 

I don’t think the speed and acceleration is anything special for the NFL, to be honest.  The RB in him seems to have great vision and makes great cuts, especially after the catch.  That will serve him well in the slot.

I don’t think there’s a ton of upside there,  I don’t see him being some 8 year stud slot, and I don’t think he’s got the speed necessary to be our token deep threat…but his shiftiness in the slot is going to be effective in this league.  He’s going to make some plays.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Did you watch that video I posted on him late last night? I thought it laid out the case on how to use him pretty well. 

Missed it, will have to check it out.  I definitely think there’s an effective role to carve out for him.

We’ve all sort of turned the corner and like Covey now, but I see Smith as a potentially more talented, more effective version of that.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Missed it, will have to check it out.  I definitely think there’s an effective role to carve out for him.

We’ve all sort of turned the corner and like Covey now, but I see Smith as a potentially more talented, more effective version of that.

Smith is solid. Looks like he takes hits well and breaks tackles. I worry about tipped ball INTs from guys like Wilson

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Missed it, will have to check it out.  I definitely think there’s an effective role to carve out for him.

We’ve all sort of turned the corner and like Covey now, but I see Smith as a potentially more talented, more effective version of that.

 

15 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

reported to be an invite

 

Rookie camp at best. 

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

First time in a long time the Cowboys have had a draft where I saw damn, they made some killer picks. I like Cooper Beebe but he isn't a can't miss guy.

They’re trying to get tougher. Beebe is tough. Limited but tough. Center or guard. Guyton has measureables but he’s a technical mess. If they start him this year he’s going to get Dak killed. Doesn’t move people, plays way high. OL coach Bill Callahan hasn’t been there for a while and it shows. I expect Guyton to bust.

Just now, BigEFly said:

Rookie camp at best. 

 

I still don’t know why they signed that Marshall WR as a UDFA. Would seem to be a tryout guy at best

24 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I haven’t watched this video, but most of the time they’re showing the same few highlights over and over. Sometimes they’re going to show the exceptions to the rule. 

it was like a loop of a few plays but I posted a much longer video when discussing him with @just relax weeks ago and pointed out a heck of a lot more plays where he is running really tough and bulling his way to extra yardage.

Maybe he doesnt do it  super consistently throughout games yet. But the mentality is there and if thats there, then hes going to develop it with a little time in the NFL weight room. Hes only 21 years old. One of the few pretty young prospects in this class. Hes gonna get stronger. But he already does this stuff and seems to get 0 credit for it. 

The graphic I pulled out of that video and posted should also come as a shock to people thinking he is a weak, 3rd down pass catching back as well. He is used like a power back. Up the middle in short yardage a lot, and a crazy amount of stacked boxes. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

it was like a loop of a few plays but I posted a much longer video when discussing him with @just relax weeks ago and pointed out a heck of a lot more plays where he is running really tough and bulling his way to extra yardage.

Maybe he doesnt do it  super consistently throughout games yet. But the mentality is there and if thats there, then hes going to develop it with a little time in the NFL weight room. Hes only 21 years old. One of the few pretty young prospects in this class. Hes gonna get stronger. 

The graphic I pulled out of that video and posted should also come as a shock to people thinking he is a weak, 3rd down pass catching back as well. He is used like a power back. Up the middle in short yardage a lot, and a crazy amount of stacked boxes. 

Yup. Inside running is about patience, vision, one quick cut, and drive out of the cut. He’s got that. He ain’t Emmitt Smith but that’s the model.

23 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don’t think the speed and acceleration is anything special for the NFL, to be honest.  The RB in him seems to have great vision and makes great cuts, especially after the catch.  That will serve him well in the slot.

I don’t think there’s a ton of upside there,  I don’t see him being some 8 year stud slot, and I don’t think he’s got the speed necessary to be our token deep threat…but his shiftiness in the slot is going to be effective in this league.  He’s going to make some plays.

Given Brown, Smith and Goedert, and Barkley as a receiver, no slot WR is getting 100 catches in this offense.

Just want him to be a reliable option on the underneath routes and garner some RAC and convert 3rd downs.

Same way I want Shipley to be a serviceable 3rd down back who could rotate with someone like Milton if Barkley has to miss a game or two.

Though I think Shipley may need a year in the weight room to be strong enough to take on NFL LBs on blitzes - I do think pass blocking is something they're emphasizing after last season, watching too many whiffs in blitz pick-up.

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

:Last 15 roster slots or so are camp fodder, at best someone surprises and makes the PS.

We have five big WRs on the roster, Ngata, Wilson, Davis, Harris, Watkins - odds are none make the team, maybe 2 make the PS.

13 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

I'm sold.  He will be Harold Carmichael 2.0.  (And if not, fire Sirianni!)

14 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Wilson will be interesting in how they use/coach him.  There’s a reason he went as late as he did.

As-is, he’s too slow with feet that are too sluggish to succeed as a WR in the modern nfl.

Hes too lanky and skinny to be legitimately considered as a TE.

So that’s why he was available.  If he can change one of those things, he’s got big time upside.  His ability to vertically snatch balls is hyper elite.  His speed would be outstanding for a TE.  Try to teach him to block and bulk up so he can be a mismatch nightmare at TE rather than an overgrown non separator at WR.

Only in your world is 4.52 slow. A 4.11 SS at 6’6” isn’t sluggish.   He lasted because of three things.  Rounded routes, small route tree and concentration drops. All were tied to a perception of being lazy.  I am sure that was addressed and they came away thinking he is coachable through the Top 30 visit. 

16 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

I think there were a few OL they wished dropped differently but gauging their reactions I think Shipley & Smith were their guys all the way.  Really their first 5 picks clearly were.

Yeah I agree. I do think they had some OL targeted as well which you can tell from Howie’s PC. My guess is Amegdajie and Zinter but they didn’t love either enough to either trade up or pass on the trade downs in the 3rd.

Ainias Smith doesn't need a ton of targets. We finally have a WR who can run jet sweeps to freeze linebackers. Frankly, he's more of a RB than a WR. 

6 hours ago, just relax said:

Not entirely. It is in keeping with that Athletic article I cited that argued, trade back, never up. The trade was something I think the Eagles had to do but I think in terms of the talent added that Washington got more value.

It will be a tough trade to compare, because the Eagles took the Washington pick #78... and traded back to 86, then 95, then 120.  So, did the Eagles trade up or back?  Yes.  They did both.  

14 hours ago, austinfan said:

I look forward to seeing him in TC, great athlete who was very inexperienced due to moving around from FB to LB.

We'll see how much of his play last season was inexperience, how much was lack of instincts this season.

I think at worst he could be a top flight ST guy, at best, push White for the starting job.

best PFF at LB for the Eagles.  Yes,  I guess we'll see if his being the best last year was due to, what exactly?  Top athleticism,  which was known to us (me) before he was on my udfa list?   There was certainly inexperience shown last year,  but when you combine the inexperience, that was there,  with the top athleticism,  that was there,  you got the best PFF of all the linebackers on the Eagles,  so, the inexperience goes away,  the top athleticism stays,  and the PFF goes to the 70s and maybe the 80s.   He had a PFF over 80 in his one start,  the win over the Giants.   Games before and after that win were Eagles losses,  and VanSumeren didn't play as much or at all on defense in those games.

10 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Only in your world is 4.52 slow. A 4.11 SS at 6’6” isn’t sluggish.   He lasted because of three things.  Rounded routes, small route tree and concentration drops. All were tied to a perception of being lazy.  I am sure that was addressed and they came away thinking he is coachable through the Top 30 visit. 

He’s slow for a WR in any world.  Just watch his highlights.

5 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

I think a majority of Eagles fans really like this draft overall

However, everyone should remember this day because in 2-3 years if some or all of these players dont work out, dont go calling for Howie's job because overall people like these picks and thought the FO did a great job. Nothing more I hate then someone saying something then when it doesnt turn out they lie and say all along they didnt like it and want someone fired. 

As has been pointed out, the pros have far more information that the fans do about these players.  The pros spend YEARS tracking these players throughout their college careers.   The fans, the really dedicated ones, spend a few weeks watching the small amount of video that is available on these guys.  We don't have access to all the interviews, the medicals, access to talk to their coaches/teammates, etc.   So, how the fans feel in the moment is completely meaningless.   What matters is what happens with these picks in 2 or 3 years.  Results matter.  Draft grades offered hours after the draft concludes do not.  

If all these players turn out to be busts... that falls on the GM's shoulders not the fans.  The GM is the one with the copious amounts of information to wade through, not the fans.  The GM is the one who makes the final calls, and is ultimately responsible for the team's success, not the fans.

 

Right now, it seems Howie and Co. did a nice job.  But, that's irrelevant.    Just as if it appeared that they did a crap job.  What matters is the results.  Whether we are happy today or we are pissed today doesn't matter at all to what the results turn out to be.   GMs need to be judged on the results, not the momentary reaction.  Recall the build up to the 2011 season, and the "Dream Team" nonsense.  That was a horrible failure, no matter how anyone felt in the moment.   And it ultimately got Andy Reid fired, after the 2012 season.  Results, not feelings, matter.

3 hours ago, CouchKing said:

We traded 2 picks 50 and 53 in the second round to trade up for Cooper DeJean.

We missed two players in this range. DT, Edge, OT , C, S, TE. Take your pick.

I wouldn’t take any TWO of those guys over DeJawn. 

4 hours ago, Utebird said:

Hes Chad Hall...

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

It goes the other way too. You can afford to keep unplayable developmental bottom of the roster players because you can have JAG vets on the PS. 

Yup.  The new PS elevation rules really changes roster position 52 and 53.  

15 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

I wouldn’t take any TWO of those guys over DeJawn. 

They got Sanristill with 50. You left him out.

2 hours ago, just relax said:

Disagree on both. I expect Hunt to play a lot. I think Fangio has specific plans for him. I’m thinking as a robber, covering the middle based on down and distance, or over the TE. 

One thing about Hunt is that he walked on at Cornell, he wasn't there initially as a scholarship player. Which means that he has a pretty good head on his shoulders.

He might be the kind of guy that gets on the field sooner than expected just because he has a better of understanding of his assignments and what he needs to do and where he needs to be on any particular play.