1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

Watched Jalynx Hunt’s snaps vs Prairie View A&M and Western Kentucky. I can understand the lack of sacks because he was asked to drop in coverage quite a bit. Nothing too crazy. Mostly just dropping into zones off the edge and from overhang. The other reason for a lack of sacks is having no idea what he’s doing. He makes a couple of cool jump cuts inside, but there doesn’t seem to be much refinement at all. He isn’t good with his hands. He did look good the time or two he was able to stunt inside. The speed is evident. 

We’re gonna have to be really patient. He has a long way to go.

Said after we drafted him feels like a davion Taylor type of pick in the 3rd round in the sense  when we took Taylor he was super raw and going to need about 2 years learning the position to get him on the field and really know what he is doing. Hopefully he has more success then what happened with Taylor. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Said after we drafted him feels like a davion Taylor type of pick in the 3rd round in the sense  when we took Taylor he was super raw and going to need about 2 years learning the position to get him on the field and really know what he is doing. Hopefully he has more success then what happened with Taylor. 

It’s a fair comparison for sure. My only real thought on it is that sometimes these project players work out and other times they don’t. Taylor didn’t work and there’s every chance Hunt doesn’t but it also doesn’t mean he definitely won’t work.

8 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Wonder if the Eagles still would have targeted Hunt if Nolan Smith had a much better and promising rookie showing.

They love to invest at the position and BG and Sweat could both be gone in a year so it’s possible. Though everyone has assumed Sweat is gone in a year. If he has a big bounce back year I don’t think it’s a given he’s gone.

Yes. They lost Reddick and Barnett. BG and Sweat are on 1 year deals. They needed to draft someone. Not urgent to have him contribute majorly this year that's why they took a flyer on a project.

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

It’s a fair comparison for sure. My only real thought on it is that sometimes these project players work out and other times they don’t. Taylor didn’t work and there’s every chance Hunt doesn’t but it also doesn’t mean he definitely won’t work.

Hunt pick was a dangerous pick to me.  Seems like Howie had a relapse on that pick.  Athletic but unrefined player at a key position they hope to turn into a pot of gold.  I liked the bandwagon Howie drafting established players who have played against future or borderline future pros from big schools in the first 3 rounds.

 

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Said after we drafted him feels like a davion Taylor type of pick in the 3rd round in the sense  when we took Taylor he was super raw and going to need about 2 years learning the position to get him on the field and really know what he is doing. Hopefully he has more success then what happened with Taylor. 

Hate this comp and I wish people stop posting it. Two totally different positions. Raw off ball LBs with no instincts or football IQ aren't a good idea I don't care how athletic they are. At least use a comp that plays the same position.

4 minutes ago, judunno said:

Hate this comp and I wish people stop posting it. Two totally different positions. Raw off ball LBs with no instincts or football IQ aren't a good idea I don't care how athletic they are. At least use a comp that plays the same position.

A better comparison is Nolan Smith. Both really good athletes who have no idea how to rush the passer beyond using their athleticism to win. Hopefully both guys develop. 

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

A better comparison is Nolan Smith. Both really good athletes who have no idea how to rush the passer beyond using their athleticism to win. Hopefully both guys develop. 

Yeah. Just totally different learning curves when you're talking off ball vs edge. Nolan is a freak athlete. Needs to refine his pass rush moves but more importantly get healthy. That shoulder impacted his season more than we think. Jalyx story is crazy. Talk about a late growth spurt. Fangio is going to have both Nolan and this guy if he gets any snaps dropping back in coverage to disguise where rushers are coming from. Gonna be interesting to see.

7 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Watched Jalynx Hunt’s snaps vs Prairie View A&M and Western Kentucky. I can understand the lack of sacks because he was asked to drop in coverage quite a bit. Nothing too crazy. Mostly just dropping into zones off the edge and from overhang. The other reason for a lack of sacks is having no idea what he’s doing. He makes a couple of cool jump cuts inside, but there doesn’t seem to be much refinement at all. He isn’t good with his hands. He did look good the time or two he was able to stunt inside. The speed is evident. 

We’re gonna have to be really patient. He has a long way to go.

Solak said he's a year away from being a year away and I think that's a fair comparison. I think he can be a designated pass-rusher in year 2 if he continues to bulk up. At that point, his athleticism will be too much for tackles even with no techniques. 

Hunt needs to follow Brandon Graham every second he's at Novacare. 

 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Solak said he's a year away from being a year away and I think that's a fair comparison. I think he can be a designated pass-rusher in year 2 if he continues to bulk up. At that point, his athleticism will be too much for tackles even with no techniques. 

Hunt needs to follow Brandon Graham every second he's at Novacare. 

 

Fangio didn't draft him to be another Brandon Graham. He wants the versatility of having him drop back in coverage.

7 minutes ago, judunno said:

Fangio didn't draft him to be another Brandon Graham. He wants the versatility of having him drop back in coverage.

Graham has the best hand usage on the team and knows how to set up pass-rushing moves. That's what Hunt needs to work on.

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Solak said he's a year away from being a year away and I think that's a fair comparison. I think he can be a designated pass-rusher in year 2 if he continues to bulk up. At that point, his athleticism will be too much for tackles even with no techniques. 

Hunt needs to follow Brandon Graham every second he's at Novacare. 

 

To me that means they took him too early

Just now, RLC said:

Graham has the best hand usage on the team and knows how to set up pass-rushing moves. That's why Hunt needs to work on.

He has a lot more to work on than just his pass rush is my point.

6 minutes ago, judunno said:

Fangio didn't draft him to be another Brandon Graham. He wants the versatility of having him drop back in coverage.

Not what he meant. BG can teach him alot of technique but also Film study. This dude is a very green banana

12 minutes ago, RLC said:

Solak said he's a year away from being a year away and I think that's a fair comparison. I think he can be a designated pass-rusher in year 2 if he continues to bulk up. At that point, his athleticism will be too much for tackles even with no techniques. 

Hunt needs to follow Brandon Graham every second he's at Novacare. 

 

Hes not working towards being a designated pass rusher. Solak is wrong.

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

To me that means they took him too early

That's likely the range he was going to go. Late 3rd early 4th. He impressed more than the Eagles. Looks like Fangio got enamored with him and here we are. Hope it works out. Getting weird with the NIL stuff too. Plus with the NCAA talking revenue share with athletes many will be staying in school longer. I'm sure that is impacting decision making across the league when it comes to these picks.

34 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Hunt pick was a dangerous pick to me.  Seems like Howie had a relapse on that pick.  Athletic but unrefined player at a key position they hope to turn into a pot of gold.  I liked the bandwagon Howie drafting established players who have played against future or borderline future pros from big schools in the first 3 rounds.

Here's the thing with lottery ticket picks... you can afford to make those types of picks when you are hitting on your first or second round picks.   However, when you are whiffing in the first AND second round, the third round is no longer a place to go for the high ceiling players, but to try to find a high floor player, even if they have limited upside, just so that you can get something from the draft.

The Davion Taylor pick looks worse in the light of the Jalen Reagor pick.  Both provided this team with nothing.  Going way back, in 2011, the Curtis Marsh pick is exacerbated by the first two rounds being Danny Watkins and Jaiquawn Jarrett!   

But, let's remember, the 2019 draft they went with 'big school' picks and got Andre Dillard (horrific process), Miles Sanders (good pick) and JJAW (awful).  

 

Personally, I like round 3 for a spot to go for super high ceiling picks, even if they have an incredibly low floor as well.  Afterall, this team went 'big school' with Nakobe Dean a couple years ago... and we've gotten almost nothing from him either so far.  So, if you go big school and have to wait 3 years for a contribution, what's the difference in waiting for 3 years for a guy from a school school?  I think the difference is the level of expectation.  When drafting a guy like Dean, the expectation was that he could step in and contribute in some way immediately.  He did not.   With Hunt, I think they know what to expect in Year 1.  At most he's going to be a ST guy - and with his speed and athleticism, that might be quite impactful.   More importantly, they will learn a lot about his mentality playing ST.   If he's a hungry player, he should really shine on ST.   If he's not, we'll likely see him deactivated each and every week and never really get to see anything come of his athleticism.  (Disclaimer:  Due to roster restrictions, he could be deactivated every week and it not be an indication of his attitude but merely the need to have players active that could contribute in other areas, in addition to ST.)

 

This draft is not make or break depending on Hunt.   It is make or break on Mitchell and Dejean.  Most people expected the Eagles to have to give up one of the 2nd round picks to land a player like Mitchell in the first... so, as I look at it... the Hunt pick is gravy.   And not having to trade up for Mitchell, enabled them to make the smaller move up in Round 2 to grab Dejean.  Personally, I think that this was well played by Howie (and I am one of his harshest critics).  He got two players at the top of the draft that the team was targetting (as evidenced by the top 30 visits)... and then they were able to use the last 2nd round pick (which became a 3rd in the trade up for Dejean) to move back and stockpile a few picks for 2025, where they were light.  AND, in the meantime, they landed a player at the end of Round 3 that has a boom or bust potential, but that was highly talked about leading up to the draft.   This wasn't a Jon Harris in the first round, out of left field selection.   Hunt was mocked to go much much higher by a lot of knowledgeable draft 'experts'.  So, it was in no way a reach.  Risky?  Absolutely, but no pick comes without risk.  And having gotten so much in the first two picks... you can see why they'd roll the dice on a longer shot with the 3rd.  I don't think anyone else available at that time has the upside Hunt does, though plenty have a higher floor.

Looking at the UDFA tracker…wasn’t Slovis a ‘highly touted’ potential 1st round pick just a year and a half ago? lol…also the poor Cards, they’re so bad they can’t get anyone to sign with them.  

20 minutes ago, RLC said:

Solak said he's a year away from being a year away and I think that's a fair comparison. I think he can be a designated pass-rusher in year 2 if he continues to bulk up. At that point, his athleticism will be too much for tackles even with no techniques. 

Hunt needs to follow Brandon Graham every second he's at Novacare. 

YES!  

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Here's the thing with lottery ticket picks... you can afford to make those types of picks when you are hitting on your first or second round picks.   However, when you are whiffing in the first AND second round, the third round is no longer a place to go for the high ceiling players, but to try to find a high floor player, even if they have limited upside, just so that you can get something from the draft.

The Davion Taylor pick looks worse in the light of the Jalen Reagor pick.  Both provided this team with nothing.  Going way back, in 2011, the Curtis Marsh pick is exacerbated by the first two rounds being Danny Watkins and Jaiquawn Jarrett!   

But, let's remember, the 2019 draft they went with 'big school' picks and got Andre Dillard (horrific process), Miles Sanders (good pick) and JJAW (awful).  

 

Personally, I like round 3 for a spot to go for super high ceiling picks, even if they have an incredibly low floor as well.  Afterall, this team went 'big school' with Nakobe Dean a couple years ago... and we've gotten almost nothing from him either so far.  So, if you go big school and have to wait 3 years for a contribution, what's the difference in waiting for 3 years for a guy from a school school?  I think the difference is the level of expectation.  When drafting a guy like Dean, the expectation was that he could step in and contribute in some way immediately.  He did not.   With Hunt, I think they know what to expect in Year 1.  At most he's going to be a ST guy - and with his speed and athleticism, that might be quite impactful.   More importantly, they will learn a lot about his mentality playing ST.   If he's a hungry player, he should really shine on ST.   If he's not, we'll likely see him deactivated each and every week and never really get to see anything come of his athleticism.  (Disclaimer:  Due to roster restrictions, he could be deactivated every week and it not be an indication of his attitude but merely the need to have players active that could contribute in other areas, in addition to ST.)

 

This draft is not make or break depending on Hunt.   It is make or break on Mitchell and Dejean.  Most people expected the Eagles to have to give up one of the 2nd round picks to land a player like Mitchell in the first... so, as I look at it... the Hunt pick is gravy.   And not having to trade up for Mitchell, enabled them to make the smaller move up in Round 2 to grab Dejean.  Personally, I think that this was well played by Howie (and I am one of his harshest critics).  He got two players at the top of the draft that the team was targetting (as evidenced by the top 30 visits)... and then they were able to use the last 2nd round pick (which became a 3rd in the trade up for Dejean) to move back and stockpile a few picks for 2025, where they were light.  AND, in the meantime, they landed a player at the end of Round 3 that has a boom or bust potential, but that was highly talked about leading up to the draft.   This wasn't a Jon Harris in the first round, out of left field selection.   Hunt was mocked to go much much higher by a lot of knowledgeable draft 'experts'.  So, it was in no way a reach.  Risky?  Absolutely, but no pick comes without risk.  And having gotten so much in the first two picks... you can see why they'd roll the dice on a longer shot with the 3rd.  I don't think anyone else available at that time has the upside Hunt does, though plenty have a higher floor.

AI TLDR summary :

Draft strategies shift when early-round picks fail, leading teams to opt for safer choices in later rounds, as seen with the Davion Taylor and Jalen Reagor picks. Despite past disappointments, there's still optimism in uncovering potential gems, with the success of this draft ultimately resting on Mitchell and Dejean.

😎 

22 minutes ago, RLC said:

Solak said he's a year away from being a year away and I think that's a fair comparison. I think he can be a designated pass-rusher in year 2 if he continues to bulk up. At that point, his athleticism will be too much for tackles even with no techniques. 

Hunt needs to follow Brandon Graham every second he's at Novacare. 

 

As soon as the season ends this upcoming year, I’m pretty sure Graham is just going to take a box and the contents of his locker down the hall pretty much right away.  He’s an Eagle for life.

15 minutes ago, RLC said:

Graham has the best hand usage on the team and knows how to set up pass-rushing moves. That's what Hunt needs to work on.

Not just that... but Graham has the type of work ethic and drive you want from any player.   Graham was also cross trained to play as a 3-4 OLB back in the day, so even if he's not going to necessarily give him the tips and tricks of the position, he can let his attitude and mentality rub off on him.   We want Hunt to have the same level of drive and determination to stick in the league as Graham has shown over the years.

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Here's the thing with lottery ticket picks... you can afford to make those types of picks when you are hitting on your first or second round picks.   However, when you are whiffing in the first AND second round, the third round is no longer a place to go for the high ceiling players, but to try to find a high floor player, even if they have limited upside, just so that you can get something from the draft.

The Davion Taylor pick looks worse in the light of the Jalen Reagor pick.  Both provided this team with nothing.  Going way back, in 2011, the Curtis Marsh pick is exacerbated by the first two rounds being Danny Watkins and Jaiquawn Jarrett!   

But, let's remember, the 2019 draft they went with 'big school' picks and got Andre Dillard (horrific process), Miles Sanders (good pick) and JJAW (awful).  

 

Personally, I like round 3 for a spot to go for super high ceiling picks, even if they have an incredibly low floor as well.  Afterall, this team went 'big school' with Nakobe Dean a couple years ago... and we've gotten almost nothing from him either so far.  So, if you go big school and have to wait 3 years for a contribution, what's the difference in waiting for 3 years for a guy from a school school?  I think the difference is the level of expectation.  When drafting a guy like Dean, the expectation was that he could step in and contribute in some way immediately.  He did not.   With Hunt, I think they know what to expect in Year 1.  At most he's going to be a ST guy - and with his speed and athleticism, that might be quite impactful.   More importantly, they will learn a lot about his mentality playing ST.   If he's a hungry player, he should really shine on ST.   If he's not, we'll likely see him deactivated each and every week and never really get to see anything come of his athleticism.  (Disclaimer:  Due to roster restrictions, he could be deactivated every week and it not be an indication of his attitude but merely the need to have players active that could contribute in other areas, in addition to ST.)

 

This draft is not make or break depending on Hunt.   It is make or break on Mitchell and Dejean.  Most people expected the Eagles to have to give up one of the 2nd round picks to land a player like Mitchell in the first... so, as I look at it... the Hunt pick is gravy.   And not having to trade up for Mitchell, enabled them to make the smaller move up in Round 2 to grab Dejean.  Personally, I think that this was well played by Howie (and I am one of his harshest critics).  He got two players at the top of the draft that the team was targetting (as evidenced by the top 30 visits)... and then they were able to use the last 2nd round pick (which became a 3rd in the trade up for Dejean) to move back and stockpile a few picks for 2025, where they were light.  AND, in the meantime, they landed a player at the end of Round 3 that has a boom or bust potential, but that was highly talked about leading up to the draft.   This wasn't a Jon Harris in the first round, out of left field selection.   Hunt was mocked to go much much higher by a lot of knowledgeable draft 'experts'.  So, it was in no way a reach.  Risky?  Absolutely, but no pick comes without risk.  And having gotten so much in the first two picks... you can see why they'd roll the dice on a longer shot with the 3rd.  I don't think anyone else available at that time has the upside Hunt does, though plenty have a higher floor.

The Eagles defense was terrible, and that is being generous.  While the DBs help, a project at DE when we are already counting on a project at DE (Smith) is concerning to me.  Not because the player is a project, but because the team thinks it's good enough at DE right now to take or hit or miss prospect.

Nonetheless I hope for the best and if it doesn't work out we move on.

28 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

As soon as the season ends this upcoming year, I’m pretty sure Graham is just going to take a box and the contents of his locker down the hall pretty much right away.  He’s an Eagle for life.

He is a good succession plan for the team dog Reggie. Brandon Graham greets everyone with the same excited puppy energy that Reggie brings. Graham can be the next team dog and he has a longer lifespan. Its genius.

Regarding Jalyx Hunt and whether he was a reach or a risk they should have taken, this is a good discussion and I think we have to look back at the trades. If all else fails with the players, getting the 3rd and 4th in 2025 were huge. The 5th is nice too but those seemingly grow on trees so that's not a big of a get as the others. 

To get the 2025 3rd, all it took was pick 120. That was an Eagles pick and it wasn't related to any other trade downs. 120 for 2025 3rd. Solid.

The Jalyx Hunt pick is attached to other moves though. He was taken at 94 which was acquired from the 49ers for 86 and 132. 86 was acquired and 123 were acquired for 78 which was a part of the trade to get Cooper DeJean. 

Trading up for Cooper DeJean netted the Eagles 78, which turned in to 86 and 123. 86 turned in to 94 and 132, which essentially turned in to Trotter and 2025 4th. 123 turned in to 127 (Will Shipley) and the 5th rounder next year.

What it all boils down to is  between 78 and 94 (Jalyx Hunt), these are the players that went off the board. At the time, I liked some of these players and still do, but NONE of them are worth what pick 78 turned in to essentially Jalyx Hunt, Will Shipley, Jeremiah Trotter Jr. and 2025 4th and 5th round picks. That's an insane haul for pick 78. To add to it, the only edge rusher the Eagles missed a chance on was Adisa Isaac, who let's be real, probably wouldn't be as successful here as he will be as a Raven. The next edge rusher wasn't taken until the 5th round then in Xavier Thomas. 

Hunt is an unknown, but the risk is worth the reward when you look at the entire picture and outcome of the moves. 

78	HOU	Calen Bullock	SAF	21		0	0	0																		USC	College Stats
3	79	IND	Matt Goncalves	OL	23		0	0	0																		Pittsburgh	College Stats
3	80	CIN	Jermaine Burton	WR	23		0	0	0																		Alabama	College Stats
3	81	SEA	Christian Haynes	OL	24		0	0	0																		Connecticut	College Stats
3	82	ARI	Tip Reiman	TE	22		0	0	0																		Illinois	College Stats
3	83	LAR	Blake Corum	RB	23		0	0	0																		Michigan	College Stats
3	84	PIT	Roman Wilson	WR	23		0	0	0																		Michigan	College Stats
3	85	CLE	Zak Zinter	OL	23		0	0	0																		Michigan	College Stats
3	86	SFO	Dominick Puni	OL	24		0	0	0																		Kansas	College Stats
3	87	DAL	Marist Liufau	LB	23		0	0	0																		Notre Dame	College Stats
3	88	GNB	MarShawn Lloyd	RB	23		0	0	0																		USC	College Stats
3	89	TAM	Tykee Smith	DB			0	0	0																		Georgia	College Stats
3	90	ARI	Elijah Jones	DB	24		0	0	0																		Boston Col.	College Stats
3	91	GNB	Ty'Ron Hopper	LB	23		0	0	0																		Missouri	College Stats
3	92	TAM	Jalen McMillan	WR	22		0	0	0																		Washington	College Stats
3	93	BAL	Adisa Isaac	DE	22		0	0	0																		Penn St.	Colleg

• 2nd round: No. 50, No. 53, and No. 161 to Commanders for No. 40 (selected Cooper DeJean) No. 78, and No. 152 (selected Ainias Smith)
• 3rd round: No. 78 to Texans for No. 86 and No. 123 
• 3rd round: No. 86 to 49ers for No. 94 (selected Jaryx Hunt) and No. 132 
• 4th round: No. 120 to Dolphins for 2025 3rd-round pick
• 4th round: No. 123 to Texans for No. 127 (selected Will Shipley) and 2025 5th-round pick 
• 4th round: No. 132 and No. 210 to Lions for No. 164, No. 201 and 2025 4th-round pick 
• 5th round: No. 164 and No. 201 to Colts for No. 155 (selected Jeremiah Trotter Jr.)
• 5th round: No. 171 to Jets for No. 185 and No. 190 (selected Johnny Wilson and Dylan McMahon)

Reiman at TE would have been good there too