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48 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Calais is bigger. Parris is faster.

Some genius insight right there...

there is no doubt that ras is completely failing to spit out a number that would have any correlation to how physically prepared, or good, parris campbell is phyically.   This is the US, and in the US, things get worse.   So,  instead of sparq,  which was good, we get ras,  which has a very convenient website.    Since it's the only game in town at this point,  it can be useful to see exactly where ras is failing.

1) RAS gives way flawed results for players who are clearly too small.   No, Parris Campbell is too small to play DT.  But the RAS formula gives him an 8 overall.   

You have a bunch of tests that a short and light and fast guy would be good at.   And you have 1 number - weight - which is extremely important in positions like DT and OL.  

2 sides -  One side has 1 number,  weight.  The other side is a long list of tests that big guys generally don't do well at.    The sides aren't equally weighted or even close.  The smaller faster better jumper is going to do better than the 300+ pound guy,  even though the small guy is way too small.

2)  RAS counts height as a good thing for all positions  If you have a 7'0 running back and a 6'0 running back at 230 pounds,  in real life,  you don't want the 7'0 running back.   It's not at all clear that a 6'4 ILB is better than a 6'0 ILB.   Sparq did not count height.  It really shouldn't be counted,  but it is.

3)   It was harder to get a top sparq number than a top ras number,  because of who is being compared.   Sparq compares NFL players.  RAS compares all college and pro day numbers.    Since, generally,  NFL players are better athletes than college players who did not make the NFL,   it's harder to get a top sparq number

On the upside,   one good thing Ras has going for it is how easy it is to type.   RAS - shorthand for "combine and pro day numbers".   RAS - so much easier to type. 

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19 minutes ago, judunno said:

Need @Random Reglar to get the RAS on these ladies.

this particular area of discussion is a minefield.

Posted these the other day but Eagles officially shared today. It's time to give 9 and 25 out. Hell, I'd even consider giving 12 out. Randall is the reason I'm an Eagles fan but let's be real about him. As groundbreaking and as exciting of a player as he was, his tenure with the Eagles amounts to a lot of disappointment. Major injuries, playoff losses and then just watching this team get torn to shreds with free agency starting in the NFL. His number should be in circulation.  

 

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Posted these the other day but Eagles officially shared today. It's time to give 9 and 25 out. Hell, I'd even consider giving 12 out. Randall is the reason I'm an Eagles fan but let's be real about him. As groundbreaking and as exciting of a player as he was, his tenure with the Eagles amounts to a lot of disappointment. Major injuries, playoff losses and then just watching this team get torn to shreds with free agency starting in the NFL. His number should be in circulation.  

 

Mitchell gets #27 from McPhearson who gets #33

DeJean gets #30

Hunt #58 

Shipley # ? I dunno those are all terrible RB numbers 

Smith #82

Trotter #54

Keegan #71

Wilson # ?

McMahon #63

 

 

11 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Campbell is older than both those guys and that was 2 years ago

Campbell played 700 snaps last year playing a hybrid defense and got more sacks than any DT we had, we're a DT light from last year with Cox gone and only bringing in a UDFA at DT, if Campbell could play 4-500 snaps it would help our rotation a huge amount.and add another top class Vet mentor for Carter, Davis and Williams.

8 hours ago, McMVP said:

It will depend on the situation…not all of Howie’s mid season moves have been bad.  Last year stands out because so many things were going bad and the moves reeked of desperation.  That hasn’t always been the case

Far more bad than good on the deadline deals.  Tate, Quinn, Avery, Byard against Ajayi.

Jordan Mailata on an Australian podcast talking about what the NFL is like for the unintiated and just about everything it took to get the hell out of the outback

 

15 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I think it was more a scheme issue than anything. Sweat is on his way out as well, and they have brought in Baun, Huff and Hunt. It's clear they want edges who can drop into coverage. 

If it was mostly a scheme issue, it would've been Sweat being traded instead of Reddick. But yeah, I agree that both weren't great fits.

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

The Jalyx Hunt writeup....

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JALYX HUNT, Houston Christian (6-3 ½, 251, 4.63, 3): A late bloomer, he spent three years in the Ivy League at Cornell playing as a backup safety. Transferred to Houston Christian (formerly Houston Baptist) in 2022 and was moved to outside linebacker. Was named defensive player of the year in the Southland Conference in ’23. "He’s third round off of athleticism alone,” one scout said. "He’s got a ton of potential. He may end up being like DeMarcus Ware. He has no f—kin’ clue but is he gifted.” Ran fast, posted a vertical jump of 37 ½ and his 10-8 broad jump tied for the best among the edge rushers. "He’s interesting,” said another scout. "He’ll be a guy somebody has to find a home for because of the multiplicity of things he can do. You’ve got to find one. If he gets typecast in the wrong thing he could struggle a little bit. He can do a lot of things but he isn’t overly instinctive or well-versed in any one thing.” Finished with 162 tackles (20 ½ for loss) and 13 ½ sacks, five forced fumbles and six passes defensed. Arms were 34 3/8, hands were 10. "I don’t know how high he’s gonna go,” a third scout said. "With those guys, people gamble on the traits all the time. He and Xavier Thomas probably have the most rare athletic traits at that position on the back end.” From DeBary, Fla
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8 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Mitchell gets #27 from McPhearson who gets #33

DeJean gets #30

Hunt #58 

Shipley # ? I dunno those are all terrible RB numbers 

Smith #82

Trotter #54

Keegan #71

Wilson # ?

McMahon #63

 

 

I want Dejean in #41... throw back to Randy Logan.   Shipley can have #30.  Homage to Super Bowl hero, Corey Clement.  Gone, but not forgotten.

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I like seeing how one scout implies that Arnold is a nickel CB. Thats where he should be.

On DeJean. I said he was a steelers guy because he would be like another Fitzpatrick for them.

Boom

 But you see some Minkah Fitzpatrick and Jevon Holland in there. 

Here is one scout who apparently didnt watch the player but decided to answer the question for the interview anyway instead of being honest. On Shipley

More straight line. Not really a tough guy. He ducks his head a lot on contact. Not a powerful guy. He likes the edges.

48 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

If it was mostly a scheme issue, it would've been Sweat being traded instead of Reddick. But yeah, I agree that both weren't great fits.

Scheme and money. Sweat restructured... Reddick didn't.

13 minutes ago, judunno said:

Scheme and money. Sweat restructured... Reddick didn't.

Yeah, that's the reason I'd say it was more so money than scheme. 

22 minutes ago, judunno said:

Scheme and money. Sweat restructured... Reddick didn't.

Next year is also supposed to be a draft rich in edge rushers.  Howie probably projected out that it was better to get a young guy at that point over paying 25mil

33 minutes ago, judunno said:

Scheme and money. Sweat restructured... Reddick didn't.

Sweat is a DE.  Reddick is an OLB/SAM.  Different position but the way Reddick preferred, he played pretty much a rush LB.  

Here's the percentile ranks that each of the Eagles' draftees rank at their position in RAS:

 

Mitchell: 97th among CBs
DeJean: 98th among CBs
Hunt: 92nd among DEs
Shipley: 95th among RBs
Smith: 73rd among WRs
Trotter: didn't test enough to qualify
Keegan: 91st among guards
Wilson: 97th among WRs
McMahon: 97th among centers

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Sweat is a DE.  Reddick is an OLB/SAM.  Different position but the way Reddick preferred, he played pretty much a rush LB.  

Sweat was also going against much higher level of competition compared to Reddick. Sweat was going against Trent Williams and Tyron Smith (x2) while Reddick is lining up against blocking TEs.

 

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15 hours ago, garingovt2000 said:

Draft is over....  Predictions on who wins Rookie of Year on Offense and same question on Defense!!

I'm going to pick Marvin Harrison Jr. for O (not going out on limb much) and Junior Colson for Defense 

 

Mitchell has a shot if he starts. But my picks:

O: Jayden Daniels

D: Laitu Latu

From Mike Sando’s draft review, where he talks with exec…

Another year, another round of applause for the Eagles’ process. Lauded for landing Jalen Carter last year with a pick from a 2022 trade with New Orleans, the Eagles landed the first cornerback this year without budging from No. 22. They also pocketed 2025 picks in the third, fourth and fifth rounds without the Saints’ help.

"They wanted to trade up to select that guy (Mitchell) and had to sit, and he fell right to them,” one exec said.

Because the Eagles spiraled late last season while the Lions surged, Philly had an easier time doubling up at cornerback early, which both teams prioritized. That is partly how the Eagles emerged with those extra 2025 mid-round picks, while Detroit parted with future third- and fourth-rounders.

"If Philly came into this draft saying to themselves that they want to get faster on the back end and pick up picks for next year, yeah, mission accomplished,” another exec said.

Trading up from 50 to 40 for Cooper DeJean anticipated and/or triggered a run at the position. The Saints took McKinstry next, followed by Houston taking Kamari Lassiter and Arizona taking Max Melton.

"Vic Fangio will use him (DeJean) as a safety, as a big nickel type,” an exec said. "You can look at him like Eddie Jackson, who Chicago took when Vic was there (fourth round in 2017). He was a corner they saw as a safety. Cooper might also have some Minkah Fitzpatrick-type traits. He has to be in a system that has multiplicity to maximize him.”

I think DeJean can be an outside CB, but that's a waste of his ability. Put him at STAR and thrive. 

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2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Here is one scout who apparently didnt watch the player but decided to answer the question for the interview anyway instead of being honest. On Shipley

More straight line. Not really a tough guy. He ducks his head a lot on contact. Not a powerful guy. He likes the edges.

Well, he’s consistent. Wrong about everything.

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