3 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

1st round Howie only really has success in the top 10. I'm fine with a trade out of the first round even. Better track record in 2nd rounds 

Yep. Best case would be 2 2nds or maybe a 2nd and an early 3rd. Trust those picks more than Howie at that point in the draft.

5 minutes ago, MrFadedGlory said:

Sooooooo….

basically lurie and howie are taking more control and hiring their own d and o coordinators.

great

Interesting if true.  They blame Siri for hiring Desai, but who gets the blame for hiring and parachuting Matt Patricia into the DC role?  That was obviously the move that torpedoed the season.

Seems like that was 100% a Lowie move, and I suppose they aren't going to take the blame themselves.

15 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Both defensive coordinators? 

19 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

So they have to hire two new coordinators who are good but not good enough to get poached so they don’t find themselves in the same situation they’re in now. 
 

I get the surface reasoning of not firing Nick. Three straight playoff appearances, one Super Bowl appearance, trying to avoid being on their third coach in five years, etc. But if he’s only as good as his coordinators, then they are in some serious trouble. And if you like him as a CEO/culture coach, what the hell happened the last two months of the season? What happens if they hit a two or three game skid next season? 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Both defensive coordinators? 

I still believe the FO forced patricia on him

There is no good justification for any of the coordinators to keep their jobs after this season. The only justification for sirianni to keep his is that they made the playoffs each year, and I personally think that's not a good reason considering it looks like steichen was the reason for the offense's success

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

So they have to hire two new coordinators who are good but not good enough to get poached so they don’t find themselves in the same situation they’re in now. 
 

I get the surface reasoning of not firing Nick. Three straight playoff appearances, one Super Bowl appearance, trying to avoid being on their third coach in five years, etc. But if he’s only as good as his coordinators, then they are in some serious trouble. And if you like him as a CEO/culture coach, what the hell happened the last two months of the season? What happens if they hit a two or three game skid next season? 

Veteran coordinators would be much less likely to jump to HC roles, so there would be some built-in stability there.  You might not get the highest upside, though 

Changing all the coaches except the head coach is a half measure. Wavering nonsense. You don't make those kinda moves unless you think things are really broken and if you think things are really broken, then just go all the way. I think Lurie allows his heart to get in the way of a lot of this coaching stuff. It's why he waffles so much on these decisions. He knows what he wants to do or has to do, but struggles to do it.

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

I still believe the FO forced patricia on him

 By FO, do you mean Howie, Lurie, or both?  
 

I’ve seen many assume they share a brain…so much so they appear now to have just one name…”Lowie”

Well what if it was just Howie?  Would Lurie be asking him hard questions about why he’s involved too much?

2 minutes ago, McMVP said:

 By FO, do you mean Howie, Lurie, or both?  
 

I’ve seen many assume they share a brain…so much so they appear now to have just one name…”Lowie”

Well what if it was just Howie?  Would Lurie be asking him hard questions about why he’s involved too much?

I would certainly hope so

According to rumors, Hurts started to audible and freelance more late in the season as a result of not being on the same page with Johnson.

If that's true, he's garbage at doing so. The offense was bad

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Changing all the coaches except the head coach is a half measure. Wavering nonsense. You don't make those kinda moves unless you think things are really broken and if you think things are really broken, then just go all the way. I think Lurie allows his heart to get in the way of a lot of this coaching stuff. It's why he waffles so much on these decisions. He knows what he wants to do or has to do, but struggles to do it.

I don’t think Lurie sees Sirianni in the same way Jerry Jones saw Garrett

 

14-3 to 11-6 to less than 11-6 means Sirianni will be out at the end of next season.  That would be logical.  Firing him now would border on dysfunctional 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t think Lurie sees Sirianni in the same way Jerry Jones saw Garrett

 

14-3 to 11-6 to less than 11-6 means Sirianni will be out at the end of next season.  That would be logical.  Firing him now would border on dysfunctional 

I disagree. Dysfunction is not knowing what you're doing or having a process that makes no sense. I think firing a guy who doesn't appear to have any discernible positives in his coaching is very logical and reasonable. We as a society and sports communities have just come to accept over time that you shouldn't fire coaches of teams that have been successful, but I think it's a very simplistic way to look at these situations.

And if they fire him and end up with a better coach that improves things, no one will even remember or care the circumstance surrounding why he was fired.

https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1749129062017106018?s=46&t=TE1sqGnz5scSoUHxJ1Ze3g

17 minutes ago, Swoop said:

According to rumors, Hurts started to audible and freelance more late in the season as a result of not being on the same page with Johnson.

If that's true, he's garbage at doing so. The offense was bad

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

That’s what I just posted but for some reason it showed up as just a link.  So who does this fall on? BJ or Hurts?  Maybe BJ was calling great plays and Hurts was changing the play to crap?  

The fact that it's been almost a week and the coordinators still have jobs is ridiculous. It's bad enough that the head coach is still here but there should have been a very clear and definitive statement that what happened over the last two months of the season was not acceptable and that there would be coaches to be held accountable.    

Gregg Williams rumors??? lol. He would be the mean b4st4rd a lot of fans want though…

29 minutes ago, Swoop said:

According to rumors, Hurts started to audible and freelance more late in the season as a result of not being on the same page with Johnson.

If that's true, he's garbage at doing so. The offense was bad

yep. Siri talked about it in press conferences too. Of course he said Hurts sees things out there, and he is good at it. But we know he doesnt bash his players in the media. And we also know Hurts sucks at it since he cant read a defense. People will blame scheme and play calling. But it was Hurts putting himself in to those bad plays with the wrong routes.

1 minute ago, Kwahu said:

Gregg Williams rumors??? lol. He would be the mean b4st4rd a lot of fans want though…

eagles fans? Eagles fans dont like Greg Williams.

Bucs +6

and bills straight up 

26 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I disagree. Dysfunction is not knowing what you're doing or having a process that makes no sense. I think firing a guy who doesn't appear to have any discernible positives in his coaching is very logical and reasonable. We as a society and sports communities have just come to accept over time that you shouldn't fire coaches of teams that have been successful, but I think it's a very simplistic way to look at these situations.

And if they fire him and end up with a better coach that improves things, no one will even remember or care the circumstance surrounding why he was fired.

No simplistic is the emotional over-reactive take you are proposing.

its a WIP mouth breather take

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

eagles fans? Eagles fans dont like Greg Williams.

We didn’t like Patricia, but…

 

At the very least, this is the most Eagles way of going about things. Did we expect it all to go smooth? It’s alarming how much disfunction there seems to be within a supposedly well run organization.