11 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

I disagree. Entirely. I actually think hurts will thrive in pro style rather than spread. Will be able to run the ball downhill and work off of play action. 

He was taught how to break down defenses by key reads. He has been a one read QB for most of his time here. He hasn't been taught or has shown limited capacity for how to go through progressions. Frankly I think the verbiage in a WCO or similar offense would be a challenge. I think his biggest issue is processing speed.

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Expectation is SB

Disagree

We snuck in the playoffs twice

Outlier

So? That's Nick's fault for hiring these guys

 

Yep.  At the very least the expections were for the players/offense to become better and they did the opposite - tremendous regression.

Hurts regressed, the entire offense as a whole regressed to the pit during the last 6-7 games of the season and the defense regressed to the worst defense in the league (possibly team history). 
 

If anyone questions if those are enough reasons, they really don’t understand this front office and the way they think/operate.
 

This collapse is just as bad (or worse) than the Chip Kelly collapse when considering expectations and the talent on the team.  The only real difference is that Chip Kelly was un-likable while Sirianni is still viewed as a likable personality.   That’s likely the reason Kelly was fired before the season even ended. But it’s not a reason for the Eagles not to let Sirianni go at this point, imo.

Maddox was more impressive than I thought. Not only did he take out Ricks, he also took out Ringo on the same play! 

Highlights for me: Ricks using a WR to box himself out of a play to avoid making a tackle, like 

 

Slay watching a WR come up at the sideline at him, and you could literally see Slays brain say "damn I really have to make this tackle...."

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Maddox was more impressive than I thought. Not only did he take out Ricks, he also took out Ringo on the same play! 

That's the type of effort this team was lacking for weeks while he was away.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Expectation is SB

Disagree

We snuck in the playoffs twice

Outlier

So? That's Nick's fault for hiring these guys

 

• SB or fired? Why would literally anyone with a family trying to make a living go into that?
• It doesn't matter if you disagree, what matters is if coaches disagree. It's not attractive to be a dysfunctional organization and also not attractive to go into an organization where they fire the coach with the greatest win percentage in the history of their team, where they at one point in the last season had the best record in the NFL, following a year where they went to the Super Bowl - especially because they only lost thanks to arguably worst second half defensive performance in Super Bowl history.
  
  Why would I EVER want to bring my family into that as a coach, when I could just...not do that?
• We didn't sneak into anything, we had the best record in the NFL and then folded. That's not sneaking.
• It's the outlier for EVERY team that's not a dynasty or the Bills of the back to back era. That's what the Super Bowl is - 30 of 32 teams don't make it.
• That's a super common problem the first time coaches replace coordinators. Are you from the instant gratification generation? If not, you've seen this before tons of times. And more importantly than that, Super Bowl teams have a disadvantage because a lot of the best candidates are already being attracted or signed by other teams by the time their season is over. It literally happened to Doug too - Reich was hired super late, we went to the Super Bowl, and ended up with Mike Groh. We know how that ended too.

I can't stress this enough -- Sirianni and Brian Johnson are likely a package deal. It's Nick's offense that Brian is calling. You won't get a new OC to come in here and run an offense that was just exposed and universally dragged and mocked by national analysts. It would be career suicide. 

For Nick to stay, he has to hire an OC that gets to design the offense. And a DC that runs the show. So Nick is basically a CEO and locker room leader. That could work if you find the right guys, but then you still have the issue of the OC being hired away if it goes well.

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

He hasn't been a DC since 2010. 

Yes, whats your point?

Its not like he forgot how to coach or call defense while he was head coaching 

One of the best DCs ever in my opinion was wade phillips, he sucked as a head coach but as s DC hes a HOF 

When the rams made mcvay the youngest coach in the league they paired him with one of the oldest and experienced DCs and it worked.

No matter how good the rams did no team was gling to hire philips a proven commodity away to be a HC 

The eagles need a wade phillips jim johnson type, Ron Rivera built his career as a defensive coach no reason to think he couldnt be a good vet DC, not sure hed be willing though🤷‍♂️

Just now, AmericanEagle77 said:

• SB or fired? Why would literally anyone with a family trying to make a living go into that?
• It doesn't matter if you disagree, what matters is if coaches disagree. It's not attractive to be a dysfunctional organization and also not attractive to go into an organization where they fire the coach with the greatest win percentage in the history of their team, where they at one point in the last season had the best record in the NFL, following a year where they went to the Super Bowl - especially because they only lost thanks to arguably worst second half defensive performance in Super Bowl history.
  
  Why would I EVER want to bring my family into that as a coach, when I could just...not do that?
• We didn't sneak into anything, we had the best record in the NFL and then folded. That's not sneaking.
• It's the outlier for EVERY team that's not a dynasty or the Bills of the back to back era. That's what the Super Bowl is - 30 of 32 teams don't make it.
• That's a super common problem the first time coaches replace coordinators. Are you from the instant gratification generation? If not, you've seen this before tons of times. And more importantly than that, Super Bowl teams have a disadvantage because a lot of the best candidates are already being attracted or signed by other teams by the time their season is over. It literally happened to Doug too - Reich was hired super late, we went to the Super Bowl, and ended up with Mike Groh. We know how that ended too.

Every Coaching job is a "what have you done lately" job. Look at Belichik and Vrabel. What Siri has done lately is show that he doesn't know how to choose or manage coordinators. Or perhaps even recognize that they are a problem. Coaches also have big egos. The opportunity to succeed and the overall functionality of the organization, I would say, is the bigger issue. A smart coach would ask "does the team have the talent to play in my system and succeed?"  That's the question rather than "people get fired from that org., uh oh." The exception is David Tepper. That dude is the next great NFL owner whack job.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I can't stress this enough -- Sirianni and Brian Johnson are likely a package deal. It's Nick's offense that Brian is calling. You won't get a new OC to come in here and run an offense that was just exposed and universally dragged and mocked by national analysts. It would be career suicide. 

For Nick to stay, he has to hire an OC that gets to design the offense. And a DC that runs the show. So Nick is basically a CEO and locker room leader. That could work if you find the right guys, but then you still have the issue of the OC being hired away if it goes well.

Yup, why I expect Johnson is back if someone doesn't hire him as HC. We'll bring in some uninspiring consultant too but not much else will change on offense, unless they replace the entire coaching staff. 

8 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

He was taught how to break down defenses by key reads. He has been a one read QB for most of his time here. He hasn't been taught or has shown limited capacity for how to go through progressions. Frankly I think the verbiage in a WCO or similar offense would be a challenge. I think his biggest issue is processing speed.

The run game and PA would make it easier on him than the RPO where everything is on his shoulders.  I saw a guy named Dak run the WCO really well this year.  If he can do it, so can Hurts.  

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I can't stress this enough -- Sirianni and Brian Johnson are likely a package deal. It's Nick's offense that Brian is calling. You won't get a new OC to come in here and run an offense that was just exposed and universally dragged and mocked by national analysts. It would be career suicide. 

For Nick to stay, he has to hire an OC that gets to design the offense. And a DC that runs the show. So Nick is basically a CEO and locker room leader. That could work if you find the right guys, but then you still have the issue of the OC being hired away if it goes well.

And this is what I think needs to happen. They can call it reworking the offense, but realistically it's the OCs offense and we'll likely lose them within 2 years, but it's the only way you can keep Nick and save face enough to keep this a place where coaches with any amount of juice will come to. Other than that, we'll be stuck with the Doug Pedersons of the world, which, don't get me wrong worked for us, but let's not pretend he was a primo coaching prospect when he came here.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maddox was more impressive than I thought. Not only did he take out Ricks, he also took out Ringo on the same play! 

Silent assassin...

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I can't stress this enough -- Sirianni and Brian Johnson are likely a package deal. It's Nick's offense that Brian is calling. You won't get a new OC to come in here and run an offense that was just exposed and universally dragged and mocked by national analysts. It would be career suicide. 

For Nick to stay, he has to hire an OC that gets to design the offense. And a DC that runs the show. So Nick is basically a CEO and locker room leader. That could work if you find the right guys, but then you still have the issue of the OC being hired away if it goes well.

So it's Doug & Press all over again. That's lovely.

9 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Highlights for me: Ricks using a WR to box himself out of a play to avoid making a tackle, like 

 

Slay watching a WR come up at the sideline at him, and you could literally see Slays brain say "damn I really have to make this tackle...."

That ricks play was unreal 

He looked like he was actually blocking for tampa...😒

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Silent assassin...

more like silent but deadly

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's the type of effort this team was lacking for weeks while he was away.

Byard also had a nice hit on Roby on the 55 yard Palmer TD. I'm not sure why people are complaining about tackling. 

Pretty sad Kelce is going to retire after this season’s fiasco.  You never want to see a future HOF player go out like that.  SMH. 
 

 

Like seeing a unicorn

 

40 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Replay is on NFLN at 1AM if there any sickos like me that want to rewatch

I recorded it so I can watch it later while taking a hot bath with candles, alanis morissette music and razor blades.

18 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

 

 

Worked out for them too.  They then won the Super Bowl under Kubiak. 

7 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yes, whats your point?

Its not like he forgot how to coach or call defense while he was head coaching 

One of the best DCs ever in my opinion was wade phillips, he sucked as a head coach but as s DC hes a HOF 

When the rams made mcvay the youngest coach in the league they paired him with one of the oldest and experienced DCs and it worked.

No matter how good the rams did no team was gling to hire philips a proven commodity away to be a HC 

The eagles need a wade phillips jim johnson type, Ron Rivera built his career as a defensive coach no reason to think he couldnt be a good vet DC, not sure hed be willing though🤷‍♂️

His stats say he was an average DC with the Chargers. Wade didn't take off 15 years from being a DC 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Like seeing a unicorn

 

Way too predictable. Rip it out of the playbook

The expectation isn't SB or bust... the expectation is competency.  The expectation is to be able to compete.  The expectation is to not be the object of ridicule and derision from every analyst around the country.  The expectation is that this team will always be building towards winning a Super Bowl.  And when it falls apart, when the very foundation of that building crumbles, you rip it down to the foundation and start all over again.  

 

When any and every analyst is calling the Eagles out like they did yesterday and the team is embarrassed AGAIN, in front of a national audience AGAIN.  And Lurie is shown on camera... looking like he did last night... heads roll.   Lurie likes to think that the Eagles are the gold standard.  Well, they were exposed as pyrite.  And that's something that Lurie doesn't react well to.   

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I can't stress this enough -- Sirianni and Brian Johnson are likely a package deal. It's Nick's offense that Brian is calling. You won't get a new OC to come in here and run an offense that was just exposed and universally dragged and mocked by national analysts. It would be career suicide. 

For Nick to stay, he has to hire an OC that gets to design the offense. And a DC that runs the show. So Nick is basically a CEO and locker room leader. That could work if you find the right guys, but then you still have the issue of the OC being hired away if it goes well.

That's the plan, and it works just fine for guys like Tomlin, John Harbaugh, etc.  Neither of those guys design a scheme.