17 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

QBs who required more seasons in the SB era than Dak Prescott to win their first Super Bowl 

 

 

John Elway

End of list

And Elway had taken his team to what 3 Super bowls before winning one.

Dak hasnt even sniffed a super bowl.

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

I was pretty tough on him during the Bucs game when I was there - in game moments tend to get emotional, etc but overall, I think he’s a solid RB. With the way this offense played down the stretch,  no one really looked good - besides a few exceptions here and there.  
 

I’d like to have him back, complemented with a big N-S runner.  It’s going to come down to what the RB market bears in the off season in terms of $ and what not.  Either way, he’s a Philly guy and I wish him the best.  

Swift had a great season. He rushed for over 1,000 yards.  With the extra game that's not as impressive as it used to be, but we also have a QB with a lot of rushes as well. Swift was 5th in the league in rushing yards, and 12th in the league in attempts.  When he gets the ball, he runs well. He averages 4.6 yards per carry.

He's 24th in the league in rushing TDs with only 5.  Hurts is #3 on the list with 15 (Josh Allen is #2 on the list also with 15). If we fed the RB in goal line Swift would have more.

Sanders had over 1,000 yards last year as well.  They've had good RBs and when they give them the ball, they produce.  The problem we've complained about not just with Siri but with prior coaches has been situational football.  Their stats may get padded by running with a lead, but they should run more early to sustain drives and keep their defense off the field resting. There are certain drives where they go pass heavy and should mix in more runs.  There are short yardage situations where they get cute and try to fool the defense and throw a long bomb instead.

It's situational.  They need to run more in the right situations on top of what they're doing.  Gainwell got a lot of criticism but he also produced well as a #2 back.  They could be running a lot more often. They could be setting up more short passes to the middle of the field after setting up the run.  Run more plays under center, set up play action, etc. 

That's all on coaching.

I think Swift is as good as gone and good luck to him. Hopefully he does better than Sanders. Though maybe Sanders will look better once that team fixes itself

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

Are we sure Hurts is the guy? Cause I am not. He also does not seem to hold anyone accountable as a leader, and impressively regressed this year.  He seems to be a one trick pony. 

The Eagles have invested $255M in him, so whether we think he's the guy or not -- he is.

I don't think Hurts looked right, even in Week 1.  Whether he had a lower body injury coming out of training camp, or the Eagles made a concerted effort to tell him to minimize his running to remain healthier for playoffs, I don't know.  Clearly he was not doing the things that made him as successful as the previous season.  People were making comments in here that Hurts looked slower even at the start of the season.

Hopefully the Eagles will bring in an OC with a lot of experience coaching mobile QBs.  They should be using his talent to force defenses into no-win situations instead of his mobility being used to escape the pocket and lob the ball out of bounds.  

Whose everyones favorites for DC and OC.

Personally im a fan of Wink Martindale.

Hes a Buddy Ryan disciple whose going to bring a lot of pressure and creative blitzes and instill a toughness that has been missing on this D for a while, not to mention Lurie and Howie need a coach that isnt afraid to tell them to sit down and shut up the adults are talking.

As for OC not sure, i like Jim Bob but dont think hes going anywhere.

 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles have invested $255M in him, so whether we think he's the guy or not -- he is.

I don't think Hurts looked right, even in Week 1.  Whether he had a lower body injury coming out of training camp, or the Eagles made a concerted effort to tell him to minimize his running to remain healthier for playoffs, I don't know.  Clearly he was not doing the things that made him as successful as the previous season.  People were making comments in here that Hurts looked slower even at the start of the season.

Hopefully the Eagles will bring in an OC with a lot of experience coaching mobile QBs.  They should be using his talent to force defenses into no-win situations instead of his mobility being used to escape the pocket and lob the ball out of bounds.  

Yea people need to just move past it. He's it because of the contract. Absolute goal is get him back to 2022 form or at least as close to it as possible 

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Whose everyones favorites for DC and OC.

Personally im a fan of Wink Martindale.

Hes a Buddy Ryan disciple whose going to bring a lot of pressure and creative blitzes and instill a toughness that has been missing on this D for a while, not to mention Lurie and Howie need a coach that isnt afraid to tell them to sit down and shut up the adults are talking.

As for OC not sure, i like Jim Bob but dont think hes going anywhere.

 

Cooter or Jerrod Johnson and Nielsen. The opportunity for "My Cooter Hurts" signs in the crowd is worth it alone.

1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

So the reports are Hurts was not on same page as Johnson and would often audible to his own plays....... Now a lot of QB's do this, but we have seen multiple examples of where he did audible and was wrong, we saw Kelce yelling back at him not to change a play in a heated exchange as one example.  I wonder with all the apparent messed up routes where two WR's would end up in the same spot,  how many other players were just improvising?  Or some would get the audible others not? 

Are we sure Hurts is the guy? Cause I am not. He also does not seem to hold anyone accountable as a leader, and impressively regressed this year.  He seems to be a one trick pony. 

 

What is that bolded comment based on? 

There's a lot of speculation about this team (every time they are struggling). Is it Siri, is it BJ, is it Hurts, are the receivers improvising, is it all of them?  Seems like some posters have their bias and blame one but not recognize that everyone shares blame. Ultimately it all starts with the HC.  If BJ was the issue, Siri should address it and do something. If Hurts was calling too many audibles and making mistakes, then the coaches should address it in practice and make sure all 11 guys know their assignments, and hold Hurts accountable.  If the players don't trust the coaches and have to improvise, then someone needs to hold Siri accountable. It goes all around.

Calling Hurts a one trick pony is absurd though.  Yes, he regressed (so did most of the team).  He's made accurate throws from the pocket, he's thrown deep passes, he's scrambled and completed passes on the run.  That's just not dealing in reality.  We'd all like to see more from him...same for the play calling, play design and coaching decisions as well.  He was great last year with Steichen.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Yea people need to just move past it. He's it because of the contract. Absolute goal is get him back to 2022 form or at least as close to it as possible 

Oh for sure. Hurts was a problem this year but he is the problem they need to fix. And I think they can. If he knuckles down (and everyone knows he is a focused hard working guy) then with a new offensive scheme I think he can get back closer to the 2022 Hurts. I'd say he's closer to the 2022 Hurts than the guy we saw this year but time will tell.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Yea people need to just move past it. He's it because of the contract. Absolute goal is get him back to 2022 form or at least as close to it as possible 

That's the thing though, he doesn't really even need to play like he did in 2022. He just needs to take what the defenses give him and not turn the Fing ball over 20+ times. He's seemingly allergic to checkdowns, and of course the playcalling did him no favors this year.

They should let go of the QB coach too while they're firing people. Hurts went back to his bad habits under his watch. QB coach needs to go IMO

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

What is that bolded comment based on? 

There's a lot of speculation about this team (every time they are struggling). Is it Siri, is it BJ, is it Hurts, are the receivers improvising, is it all of them?  Seems like some posters have their bias and blame one but not recognize that everyone shares blame. Ultimately it all starts with the HC.  If BJ was the issue, Siri should address it and do something. If Hurts was calling too many audibles and making mistakes, then the coaches should address it in practice and make sure all 11 guys know their assignments, and hold Hurts accountable.  If the players don't trust the coaches and have to improvise, then someone needs to hold Siri accountable. It goes all around.

Calling Hurts a one trick pony is absurd though.  Yes, he regressed (so did most of the team).  He's made accurate throws from the pocket, he's thrown deep passes, he's scrambled and completed passes on the run.  That's just not dealing in reality.  We'd all like to see more from him...same for the play calling, play design and coaching decisions as well.  He was great last year with Steichen.

This is why sirianni should've just been fired

Joe Santoliquito is back!

The most interesting thing he reported: Desai was a Howie hire and it was Sirianni’s call to give more power to Patricia. 

NFL wasn’t a very good product overall this year ,  imo 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Joe Santoliquito is back!

The most interesting thing he reported: Desai was a Howie hire and it was Sirianni’s call to give more power to Patricia. 

Nick didn't even get to pick his own staff? Lol wtf

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Joe Santoliquito is back!

The most interesting thing he reported: Desai was a Howie hire and it was Sirianni’s call to give more power to Patricia. 

Desai was no one's first, or second, or third choice. We were stuck holding the bag due to Gannon leaving.

18 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles have invested $255M in him, so whether we think he's the guy or not -- he is.

I don't think Hurts looked right, even in Week 1.  Whether he had a lower body injury coming out of training camp, or the Eagles made a concerted effort to tell him to minimize his running to remain healthier for playoffs, I don't know.  Clearly he was not doing the things that made him as successful as the previous season.  People were making comments in here that Hurts looked slower even at the start of the season.

Hopefully the Eagles will bring in an OC with a lot of experience coaching mobile QBs.  They should be using his talent to force defenses into no-win situations instead of his mobility being used to escape the pocket and lob the ball out of bounds.  

I said it throughout the season, Hurts looked like he did not have confidence in the plays being called.  He didn't have the same confident look in his eyes, sometimes he would be shaking his head. The receivers looked disappointed as well. You saw it on the series of long yardage running 3 plays in a row of QB runs and a dumb screen or whatever that play call was. 

Hurts regressed and made bad decisions, and deserves blame. But you look at how the coaching also affected other players. The linemen regressed, at times Hurts was running for his life and almost no one is talking about it or calling them out the way they are Hurts. The pocket was collapsing very quickly many times.  When that happens to any QB they get nervous and more inclined to leave the pocket when they don't trust the O line. Especially with teams sending blitz more often and Sirianni doing absolutely nothing valid to address it. People just blame Hurts for running, well he's running for his life half the time as well. Receivers bumping into each other isn't Hurts fault.

People have criticized the play calling all year, we've wanted BJ fired since early in the season. Hurts also made a lot of throws both in the pocket and scrambling but some people don't want to give him credit for anything. He made some dumb decisions too and he has to own that and improve. But Hurts is the guy, and played great with Steichen last year so they need to get a better OC in here and redesign the playbook. With Brown, Smith, Goedert and Swift the offense should have been #1 all year and dominating. 

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Nick didn't even get to pick his own staff? Lol wtf

I’m not sure his sourcing is great here. Seems like a lot of people outside the building saying things. With the Wentz hatchet job, it was current players on the team. 

13 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Cooter or Jerrod Johnson and Nielsen. The opportunity for "My Cooter Hurts" signs in the crowd is worth it alone.

That would be worth it 

I dont think eagles will be able to shake cooter lose from indy.

Reminder: We offered the DC job to THREE different people before we settled on Desai. 

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Joe Santoliquito is back!

The most interesting thing he reported: Desai was a Howie hire and it was Sirianni’s call to give more power to Patricia. 

So was Siri wanting Wilson and Howie was pushing Desai? I know there was like a week where they were deciding between the 2 of them and they finally settled on Desai.

Siri pulled the plug on Desai and then the whole thing fell apart. If the report is true, it looks like Howie made the better decision since Patricia did significantly worse.

It's crazy that it appears they're going to be trying the window dressing approach to the offense again after they already did it with Doug and it didn't work. After 2017 and the offense declined they swapped Taylor and Groh and then brought in Scrangrello. Which proved meaningless because when you want change you have to change at the very top. Everything else has minimal impact.

And it looks like they're trying for the same approach again. Will they ever learn.

14 minutes ago, devpool said:

That's the thing though, he doesn't really even need to play like he did in 2022. He just needs to take what the defenses give him and not turn the Fing ball over 20+ times. He's seemingly allergic to checkdowns, and of course the playcalling did him no favors this year.

Turnovers seem higher around the league. Hurts needs to protect the ball more. But let's put it into perspective. 

• Allen: 18 INT, 3 fumbles lost, 21 total
• Hurts: 15 INT, 4 fumbles lost, 19 total
• Tua: 14 INT, 5 fumbles lost (of 13 total fumbles), 19 total
• Lamar Jackson: 15 INT, 2 fumbles lost, 17 total
• Mahomes: 14 INT, 0 fumbles lost, 14 total

Now that's how you ring chase