9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This is a joke. Don't fumble when you're that close to scoring. Problem solved. The penalty for the mistake should be harsh. You're protecting the ball with your life just like the defense is protecting the EZ with theirs. If the defense fails, they give up points. However, if you fail and can't hold on to the ball when you're THAT close to scoring, well there should be a penalty. 

The penalty should not just be giving the defense possession of the ball if they don't recover the fumble. It makes no logical sense that fumbling the ball OOB at the 1 has you retain possession, but one yard further and the other team gets the ball. It's completely arbitrary.

For those who prefer the young up and coming names for coordinators keep this in mind:

-They tried that last year with Brian Johnson and it failed miserably

-I don't agree with the strategy and think Sirianni should have been fired. However, when it was obvious they were bringing him back I said they would hire at least one if not two coordinators with head coaching experience and/or a track record of success to prop him up. You can expect their hires to be more in line with the Frank Reichs and Ron Riveras of the world as opposed to young up and coming coaches from successful coaching staffs.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t disagree to get away from the passive style. However i also want someone who’s not passive and actually can adjust and schematically do less with more. Wink doesn’t do that. It’s been proven his scheme works if he has great personnel. Without it they just play hard and not too half of the league. I can find someone willing to philosophically use the blitz but also knows how to develop and maximize talent besides only blitzing. 

JJ couldnt do more with less in Indy so...

All thats been proven is that hes had some statistically good defenses and some stat not so good ones.

Like I said you tend to think that coaches who do more with less are the norm, if thats the case who you got thats available who has shown he can consistently do more with less?

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

For those who prefer the young up and coming names for coordinators keep this in mind:

-They tried that last year with Brian Johnson and it failed miserably

-I don't agree with the strategy and think Sirianni should have been fired. However, when it was obvious they were bringing him back I said they would hire at least one if not two coordinators with head coaching experience and/or a track record of success to prop him up. You can expect their hires to be more in line with the Frank Reichs and Ron Riveras of the world as opposed to young up and coming coaches from successful coaching staffs.

He wasn't up and coming like we are talking about. He was Hurts friend. 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

The penalty should not just be giving the defense possession of the ball if they don't recover the fumble. It makes no logical sense that fumbling the ball OOB at the 1 has you retain possession, but one yard further and the other team gets the ball. It's completely arbitrary.

It might be the stupidest rule in football, even worse than "putting your body weight" on the QB. First of all, the other team doesn't have to recover the ball to get possession. Second and as you said, if you fumble it out of bounds at the 1 you get the ball at the 1 yet if the ball bounces differently and squeaks inside the pylon out of the bounds the other team gets it. It's completely illogical. 

4 minutes ago, devpool said:

Way to move those goalposts. The question is, are you blaming the defense for a loss in which the offense did absolutely nothing? Because your post implies that you are.

Well 7 straight td drives I definitely am, that’s insane. O was bad ya, defense was historic failure. 

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

For those who prefer the young up and coming names for coordinators keep this in mind:

-They tried that last year with Brian Johnson and it failed miserably

-I don't agree with the strategy and think Sirianni should have been fired. However, when it was obvious they were bringing him back I said they would hire at least one if not two coordinators with head coaching experience and/or a track record of success to prop him up. You can expect their hires to be more in line with the Frank Reichs and Ron Riveras of the world as opposed to young up and coming coaches from successful coaching staffs.

Hard reset needed to happen. 

I’m on board with Wink because the major problem we had at the coordinators this year was just inexperience. They both had a scheme but had no improvisation for when opponents F’ed with that scheme.

Wink at the very least can bring stability and know how to the position.

Who are the people complaining about the fumble out of the end zone rule? I'd really like to know. I've never once complained when it happens to a team I cheer for and I don't know anyone who has either because it's the damn rule. You aren't supposed to like rules and last time I checked, a fumble isn't a good thing. Stats suggest there's a 50/50 chance the defense is getting the ball when you fumble. The stakes should be higher when you're that close to scoring. If you can't protect what's yours when you're that close to scoring so be it. 

"Of all fumbles, 6.7% go out of bounds, 19.1% are recovered by the fumbler, 24.1% are recovered by someone else on the offense, and 50.1% are recovered by someone on the defense. 49.9% of the time it stays with the offense, 50.1% of the time it goes to the defense."

Not sure if Fowler used the wording intentionally, but saying a penalty is too harsh is such 2024 mindset. Don't penalize those who do wrong, they are victims. Instead reward them.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

He wasn't up and coming. He was Hurts friend. 

Absolutely lazy BS narrative. He had success at Florida as their OC. Then was the QB coach for the Eagles when Hurts went from average to elite in 2022 and the Eagles offense dominated their way to a SB appearance. I know you can't help yourself with your obsession over shitting on Hurts but you are flat out incorrect here and exposing yourself.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Who are the people complaining about the fumble out of the end zone rule?

Pretty much everyone who watches and/or coaches the game besides you.

Can someone explain why the hell we are interviewing Mike Caldwell for DC?

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

Absolutely lazy BS narrative. He had success at Florida as their OC. Then was the QB coach for the Eagles when Hurts went from average to elite in 2022 and the Eagles offense dominated their way to a SB appearance. I know you can't help yourself with your obsession over shitting on Hurts but you are flat out incorrect here and exposing yourself.

Johnson was the logical and obvious choice to replace Shane. I don't remember anyone criticizing the move at the time. 

29 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Continuing to make defense impossible

I don't care how old or young the coordinators are, I just want good coordinators. But if their strategy is to hire a CEO coordinator to "babysit" Sirianni, then the process is completely Fed to begin with. Because if that's how they feel about the head coach he should've been fired.

Ryan Nielsen was a great candidate. Just had a season where he completely flipped a bad defense to a good one. Exactly what the Eagles needed. And they missed out.

Sometimes this organization can be absolutely infuriating. Rivera? I'd rather not have someone who just came off a season with the worst pass defense in the NFL and who hasn't coordinated in a while. He could be good, but not willing to take that risk. And all this is said without much excitement for next season anyway knowing Captain QB Draw is returning.

Just now, vikas83 said:

Can someone explain why the hell we are interviewing Mike Caldwell for DC?

The guy was literally the scapegoat for the Jax collapse yet he is supposed to come in and fix our collapse🤣🤣

I’ll take Rivera over Caldwell 

6 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Absolutely lazy BS narrative. He had success at Florida as their OC. Then was the QB coach for the Eagles when Hurts went from average to elite in 2022 and the Eagles offense dominated their way to a SB appearance. I know you can't help yourself with your obsession over shitting on Hurts but you are flat out incorrect here and exposing yourself.

What is BS is that reply. He is not what we are after or talking about. He did well at FL and was dog crap here at Utah. I watched him long before you. He got the job because he was Nick's friend. Nobody in their right mind was like yeah I'm excited about him it was OK continuity. 

Just now, vikas83 said:

Johnson was the logical and obvious choice to replace Shane. I don't remember anyone criticizing the move at the time. 

Yep. I was worried they were going to lose him to the Panthers or one of the other teams that wanted him as OC. 

I still think Nick has a much bigger piece of the blame pie for offense that's getting dogpiled on Johnson. It will be interesting to see where he goes and how he does with someone else.

14 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

How much worse could they get?

I have to believe they will improve somewhat.   No where to go but up.

Teams can make jumps if they get the right coordinators and players.  

the Eagles were 11-6.    Easier to go down than up.

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

It might be the stupidest rule in football, even worse than "putting your body weight" on the QB. First of all, the other team doesn't have to recover the ball to get possession. Second and as you said, if you fumble it out of bounds at the 1 you get the ball at the 1 yet if the ball bounces differently and squeaks inside the pylon out of the bounds the other team gets it. It's completely illogical. 

I understand the point you're making but that scenario is the result of the offensive player failing at his job of holding on to the ball. The defense has done their job and taken the ball out of that players hands. No, you can't control the way the ball rolls, that's half of what's great about football. A punter can do his absolute best at a coffin corner punt and has the punt of his life and it looks like it's going to go out right before the pylon, but the ball takes one odd bounce and goes in to the EZ. Touchback. 

It's one rule that doesn't favor the offense. I can't think of a single rule that favors the defense. 

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Johnson was the logical and obvious choice to replace Shane. I don't remember anyone criticizing the move at the time. 

with respect no. It was OK he knows Hurts not yeah we are excited and people said just that.. he wasn't some young exciting guy. Point is they shouldn't avoid a good young mind over him

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Who are the people complaining about the fumble out of the end zone rule? I'd really like to know. I've never once complained when it happens to a team I cheer for and I don't know anyone who has either because it's the damn rule. You aren't supposed to like rules and last time I checked, a fumble isn't a good thing. Stats suggest there's a 50/50 chance the defense is getting the ball when you fumble. The stakes should be higher when you're that close to scoring. If you can't protect what's yours when you're that close to scoring so be it. 

"Of all fumbles, 6.7% go out of bounds, 19.1% are recovered by the fumbler, 24.1% are recovered by someone else on the offense, and 50.1% are recovered by someone on the defense. 49.9% of the time it stays with the offense, 50.1% of the time it goes to the defense."

Not sure if Fowler used the wording intentionally, but saying a penalty is too harsh is such 2024 mindset. Don't penalize those who do wrong, they are victims. Instead reward them.

It takes the fun out of the game. The last thing anyone wants to see is a fun exciting offensive drive end with the ball just arbitrarily going back to the other team. Football blue balls.

10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

So reward them for fumbling? Loss of down back to the LOS if nothing else.

If they fumble into the endzone then it should be a touchback as it is now

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Johnson was the logical and obvious choice to replace Shane. I don't remember anyone criticizing the move at the time. 

Im pretty sure some thought he was kind of inexperienced/underqualified.