16 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

No Halaby for Carolina.

Wonder if we see them trend up the way the 49ers did once they brought in John Lynch. Dan Morgan was one of my favorite college LB back in the day. These moves make me wish the Eagles would get a FOOTBALL guy to go along with Howie. Let Howie do what he does best but bring in a guy who truly knows the game and maybe even played the game. 

40 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Too early? 

I think that April will contain a fair amount of arguing about which CB should be taken with the 22 pick and whether or not the Eagles should maybe trade up a tiny bit to get the CB who might not be there at 22. 

You said hey I need to find a new cliche.   Others will say Cooper DeJean,  others might like the Georgia Bulldogs Kamari Lassiter.  And other choices.

Am I stupid for being just the tiniest bit excited that with the new DC might come a new outlook on LB and S? Combine that with what we've been seeing in the playoffs and might we see an investment in the position finally? 

I hope in interviews they are asking the potential DC who on this team fits their scheme as well as who on this defense is being underutilized and what can you do to get them to the next level. 

44 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Maybe, but he was also in a position to constantly have to be aggressive because the defense would get shredded in the 2nd half.  It's hard not to think that some of those losses of personnel on defense were tied to his contract though.  It's a vicious cycle with the QB tying up so much cap. Last year, we could jump up and lean on running and defense.  Not so much this year, although Swift had a nice year.

No. He’s played at a very cheap cap hit this year. Just $13m. We didn’t run the ball nearly enough and didn’t have enough formations to confuse the defense. We didn’t throw the ball over then middle of the field, and our WRs were tied to running very limited routes over and over. Just a horrible performance all around. 

47 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Agreed on on removing the automatic first downs for minor penalties. I'm fine with DPI being a spot foul though

I disagree. Should be 15 max. Spot foul is crazy, am an heave a Hail Mary and get 70 yards without a WR touching the ball lol. The single most unbalanced rule in the NFL. 

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's it!  His eyes were following Gannon's lasers!!!

 

 

taco Gase! 

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

Where there's smoke...

Have you read what "the smoke" is?  The original tweet had this link with the details:

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2024/1/21/24046208/eagles-historic-collapse-2023-nfl-jalen-hurts-nick-sirianni-matt-patricia-howie-roseman-sources-bgn

If these are true, what these teammates are saying:

• He's stoic, isolated and detached, doesn't attend social functions with them. 
• His agency made him do a lot of promotions after the Super Bowl for commercials, magazine covers, etc. that he would rather be practicing and working out
• He was less accessible to the media to do interviews
• He lets AJ Brown take more vocal leadership who has a great reputation with his teammates (funny, there's been an opposite narrative that AJ Brown is a bad teammate. Which "sources" to believe?!)
• He doesn't ask for help, if he's knocked down he picks himself back up, he wants to do things on his own.
• They also pointed out how he's not bad like Wentz (the other guy) was. That he's "a good dude."

The link exaggerates some plays and suggests Hurts teammates don't defend him when he got hit on a brotherly shove play and the Giants player went offsides. It's a dumb stretch, first of all Gainwell is shown getting right in the Giants players face. 

Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Kobe Bryant...they called those guys stoic and not enough socializing with teammates and they were champions. McNabb laughed and joked all the time and fans complained he should be more focused and serious. 

When the team was winning, all these traits about Hurts were celebrated: he's stoic, he has ice in his veins, he's locked in and focused, he's not celebrating regular season wins he's focused on a championship. This was all celebrated. Now it's drama.

Anyway, if you take those bullet points above that are used to create a negative story about Hurts, you can also spin them positive:

• Stoic, doesn't attend social functions: focused, all business
• Doesn't want to do all the publicity and would rather be practicing and working out: good, he wants to focus on football
• He was less accessible to the media to do interviews: good, F the media, focus on football
• He lets AJ Brown take more vocal leadership: Hurts is seen in many videos in locker room, pre-game and sideline hyping up the guys and being vocal so this isn't even true, but also conflicts with the "sources" saying AJ Brown is a bad teammate. Even so, if some guys want more "rah rah" from Hurts and he's more stoic and about business, so what? 
• He doesn't ask for help, if he's knocked down he picks himself back up, he wants to do things on his own: you would think fans would like that. If we were asking for help, fans would call him weak. There's always something to complain about.
• They also pointed out how he's not bad like Wentz (the other guy) was. That he's "a good dude.": these all sound like nitpicking and spin. When they're winning you never hear these complaints.

3 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

I disagree. Should be 15 max. Spot foul is crazy, am an heave a Hail Mary and get 70 yards without a WR touching the ball lol. The single most unbalanced rule in the NFL. 

On the flip side, if a DB is beat 40 yards downfield, he may as well tackle the guy and only give up 15 instead of 40. 

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Am I stupid for being just the tiniest bit excited that with the new DC might come a new outlook on LB and S? Combine that with what we've been seeing in the playoffs and might we see an investment in the position finally? 

I hope in interviews they are asking the potential DC who on this team fits their scheme as well as who on this defense is being underutilized and what can you do to get them to the next level. 

Those positions were exposed beyond a reasonable doubt this season. Won't be a 1st round pick, but I think we see a bigger investment.

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

On the flip side, if a DB is beat 40 yards downfield, he may as well tackle the guy and only give up 15 instead of 40. 

Which is fine for me. Offense doesn’t need more help in this league. 15 yards is still a huge chunk, and a first down. Guaranteeing max yards isn’t good, especially when drops/inaccurate passes are a huge possibility. Refs don’t even consider the uncatchable ball part of the rule when they’re throwing these flags. 

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Those positions were exposed beyond a reasonable doubt this season. Won't be a 1st round pick, but I think we see a bigger investment.

Easier to grab veterans at these positions than rely on rookies. Safety and inside LB are among the cheapest positions to pay

Just now, GoEagles614 said:

Easier to grab veterans at these positions than rely on rookies. Safety and inside LB are among the cheapest positions to pay

Josey Jewell would be my FA top choice. 

7 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

On the flip side, if a DB is beat 40 yards downfield, he may as well tackle the guy and only give up 15 instead of 40. 

Yup.  They do it in the NCAA all the time.  

8 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Those positions were exposed beyond a reasonable doubt this season. Won't be a 1st round pick, but I think we see a bigger investment.

CAR is still dreadful, and doesn't have a first round pick.  They only have 4 picks in the entire 2024 draft. 

Let them trade into the first round as follows:

CAR gets -- pick #22, #171, #178

PHI gets -- pick #33, #65

 

This way, Howie doesn't have to spend a first round pick on LB or S and they just select the best player at 33, 50, 54, and 65.  Can go a long way toward building some young defensive talent.

21 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Haven't been able to since about 2004 or so on the old board.  

Just now, Alphagrand said:

CAR is still dreadful, and doesn't have a first round pick.  Let them trade into the first round as follows:

CAR gets -- pick #22, #171, #178

PHI gets -- pick #33, #65

 

This way, Howie doesn't have to spend a first round pick on LB or S and they just select the best player at 33, 50, 54, and 65.  Can go a long way toward building some young defensive talent.

I prefer the likely better player and the 5th year option over grabbing a late 2nd. 

56 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I wasn't suggesting now. I was saying when the contract makes it less of a team killer. He's already said he's a temporary fan. I was curious if he'd say that he's stick around or just go to another team

I don't watch college ball. Is there really someone named K-o-o-l Aid??

Yeah,  you weren't trying to make a specific point about when Hurts was leaving,  you wanted to know what would happen if the Eagles fully committed to dull, generic NFL offense.

And I answered,  in a tl/dr version,  leave but slowly.  Most people on this board are Philly sports fans who would just as soon talk about the Phillies, Sixers or Flyers.  

Philip Gunner Rivers should be available in about 7 years. 
 

 

2 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

I prefer the likely better player and the 5th year option over grabbing a late 2nd. 

I think Lito was the last Eagles pick in the 20s who warranted a 5th year option.

17 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

I disagree. Should be 15 max. Spot foul is crazy, am an heave a Hail Mary and get 70 yards without a WR touching the ball lol. The single most unbalanced rule in the NFL. 

I disagree with your disagreement. WR gets open 40 yards downfield, DB though not close enough to defend the pass is close enough to tackle the WR which he will gladly do before the  ball gets there if it means saving 25 yards.

Just now, Nivraga said:

I disagree with your disagreement. WR gets open 40 yards downfield, DB though not close enough to defend the pass is close enough to tackle the WR which we gladly do before the  ball gets there if it means saving 25 yards.

which still lead the league with the biggest penalty punishment. Offense has literally zero penalties anywhere close to the punishment of defensive penalties. 

27 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Am I stupid for being just the tiniest bit excited that with the new DC might come a new outlook on LB and S? Combine that with what we've been seeing in the playoffs and might we see an investment in the position finally? 

I hope in interviews they are asking the potential DC who on this team fits their scheme as well as who on this defense is being underutilized and what can you do to get them to the next level. 

Not stupid, im thinking the same, not sure how realistic that is though.

15 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Have you read what "the smoke" is?  The original tweet had this link with the details:

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2024/1/21/24046208/eagles-historic-collapse-2023-nfl-jalen-hurts-nick-sirianni-matt-patricia-howie-roseman-sources-bgn

If these are true, what these teammates are saying:

• He's stoic, isolated and detached, doesn't attend social functions with them. 
• His agency made him do a lot of promotions after the Super Bowl for commercials, magazine covers, etc. that he would rather be practicing and working out
• He was less accessible to the media to do interviews
• He lets AJ Brown take more vocal leadership who has a great reputation with his teammates (funny, there's been an opposite narrative that AJ Brown is a bad teammate. Which "sources" to believe?!)
• He doesn't ask for help, if he's knocked down he picks himself back up, he wants to do things on his own.
• They also pointed out how he's not bad like Wentz (the other guy) was. That he's "a good dude."

The link exaggerates some plays and suggests Hurts teammates don't defend him when he got hit on a brotherly shove play and the Giants player went offsides. It's a dumb stretch, first of all Gainwell is shown getting right in the Giants players face. 

Michael Jordan, Tom Brady, Kobe Bryant...they called those guys stoic and not enough socializing with teammates and they were champions. McNabb laughed and joked all the time and fans complained he should be more focused and serious. 

When the team was winning, all these traits about Hurts were celebrated: he's stoic, he has ice in his veins, he's locked in and focused, he's not celebrating regular season wins he's focused on a championship. This was all celebrated. Now it's drama.

Anyway, if you take those bullet points above that are used to create a negative story about Hurts, you can also spin them positive:

• Stoic, doesn't attend social functions: focused, all business
• Doesn't want to do all the publicity and would rather be practicing and working out: good, he wants to focus on football
• He was less accessible to the media to do interviews: good, F the media, focus on football
• He lets AJ Brown take more vocal leadership: Hurts is seen in many videos in locker room, pre-game and sideline hyping up the guys and being vocal so this isn't even true, but also conflicts with the "sources" saying AJ Brown is a bad teammate. Even so, if some guys want more "rah rah" from Hurts and he's more stoic and about business, so what? 
• He doesn't ask for help, if he's knocked down he picks himself back up, he wants to do things on his own: you would think fans would like that. If we were asking for help, fans would call him weak. There's always something to complain about.
• They also pointed out how he's not bad like Wentz (the other guy) was. That he's "a good dude.": these all sound like nitpicking and spin. When they're winning you never hear these complaints.

You absolutely cannot call Tom Brady, Kobe, or Michael Jordan stoic. Sure they probably weren't going out and hosting social hour with their teammates but when it came time to play they were anything but stoic. They were fiery, especially Brady. Hurts shows no emotion in game. Every shot of him on the bench is him alone, doing nothing. Yea he does his little pre game speeches and then nothing.

And wanting to fix everything himself is not a positive thing. That's what makes him do stupid ish like go rogue with playcalling. If he had any self awareness he would ask for help, as anyone should. Just because you think a bunch of mongoloids will call him weak doesn't mean he shouldn't be asking for help.

It wasn't a huge problem when they're winning, because they were winning. But just because no one cared doesn't mean that it wasn't an issue at all. IMO it is a problem that he is always sitting alone doing nothing on the sideline, especially since there were a million reasons this season to be looking st the tablet after every possession. It's a big issue now because as this team spiraled, Hurts was still silent, still aloof. And as they were Fing up game after game there he was, just chilling. And then doesn't give a F after the season. "It's not our turn and I accept that" what in the actual F kind of answer is that

17 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Josey Jewell would be my FA top choice. 

My top choice would be Luvu but i don’t see anyway we pay him what he’s gonna get 

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

I wasn't suggesting now. I was saying when the contract makes it less of a team killer. He's already said he's a temporary fan. I was curious if he'd say that he's stick around or just go to another team

I don't watch college ball. Is there really someone named K-o-o-l Aid??

and you can't spell it here without it being replaced by something else, for no reason at all.