19 minutes ago, devpool said:

Because like it or not, perception is a big deal when you're in a leadership position whether that's in the military or the starting QB of a very passionate football team. Do you think when I have a bad day I go around sulking and not talking to my sailors? Just sit there and do my job? No, I don't. And I can't. Because if I do, it's possible a sailor sees that and thinks they can't approach me if they need something. 

All due respect to your admiral boss, leadership is different for him. By the time someone reaches admiral they're so far removed from the deck plates it's a completely different animal. You're not leading sailors at that level, you're making policy. There are absolutely times that you need to cut bait on people, and those are difficult decisions.

I also don't know where that came from, at no point did I say anything about bailing on anybody. I'm saying hurts needs to realize the position he's in and act accordingly. Burden of leadership, you're the face of a billion dollar franchise, you need to outwardly act like you give a F

1. The mission of sailors is more difficulty than that of a pro football player. 2. Leading sailors is easier than leading a bunch of elite million dollar athletes who don't have to follow you. 

You might want to question if your life experience is the basis from which to project the quality of leadership in different contexts. Also, reading comprehension. I said I learned a  lot from an an admiral about leadership, not that his leadership experience is in some way analogous to that of Hurts. 

You are making an analysis from your experience, your biases, and internet clickbait BS. You don't like Hurts. It does not have to be rational but if you try and make a logical case for it, find real evidence. Please, refute what I posted about Graham. That's from the horse's mouth. Not at a presser but at the opponent--my leader is about to lead us down the field and win this game. Now, from your esteemed seat, please use that to make your point. 

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Hurts has a lot more positive traits than negative ones, but he does need to improve his sideline routine.  Those iPads are for seeing in real time what the opponent is doing and what adjustments they’re making.  Hurts needs to get with the OC after every possession to study this stuff and communicate.  Whoever the next OC is, that has to be a prerequisite the coach insists on.  
 

Defenses also need to be using the same technology.  Not sure if the Eagles players use this stuff regularly, but other teams do.

That's a good point. I don't see that with the Eagles nearly as much as with other teams. 

50 minutes ago, devpool said:

He brought up foles!! Lmfao and I don't understand why you're bringing up him throwing off his back foot??? You and NOTW are kings of irrelevance.

I'm in the navy leading a group of men and women who do a job infinitely harder than these dudes, so no it's not a normal workplace. I don't like Hurts's demeanor because it looks like he doesn't give a F. And I also don't care what any player has to say about any other one while they're on the same team. You think anyone is going to come out and say "yea I hate how he acts on the sideline"? These players are professionals, they won't badmouth anyone unless they've actually done something wrong. Guarantee there is a handful of players who don't like how Hurts leads. It's human nature. But thkse guys aren't going to come our and say anything cause you just don't do that

BS. This conversation started with a tweet citing "sources" of teammates talking about Hurts leadership. You replied to that saying "where there's smoke..." 

Now you're saying 2 different, conflicting things about it.  1, that you don't care what his teammates say which isn't true because you replied to a post about what his teammates say about him. 2, now you're saying teammates won't badmouth each other...which is the content of the tweet you replied to seemingly agreeing with it, saying  "where there's smoke..." 

You're inconsistent, changing the argument, contradicting yourself then suggesting others are the ones with problems in logic. 

2 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

1. The mission of sailors is more difficulty than that of a pro football player. 2. Leading sailors is easier than leading a bunch of elite million dollar athletes who don't have to follow you. 

You might want to question if your life experience is the basis from which to project the quality of leadership in different contexts. Also, reading comprehension. I said I learned a  lot from an an admiral about leadership, not that his experience is in some way analogous to Hurts. 

You are making an analysis from your experience, your biases, and internet clickbait BS. You don't like Hurts. It does not have to be rational but if you try and make a logical case for it, find real evidence. Please, refute what I posted about Graham. That's from the horse's mouth. Not at a presser but at the opponent--my leader is about to lead us down the field and win this game. Now, from your esteemed seat, please use that to make your point. 

Again, don't care what one player has to say. One out of 53. You used the leadership from your admiral boss to say we shouldn't bail on people (again, that point came out of nowhere). YOU brought that into the situation. Not gonna go any further, you just keep bringing up random stuff that has nothing to do with anything I've said.

Literally all I've said is that Hurts needs to fix his attitude on the sideline because he's the face of a billion dollar franchise in a sports crazy city. That's apparently a wild thing to say.

1 minute ago, devpool said:

Again, don't care what one player has to say. One out of 53. You used the leadership from your admiral boss to say we shouldn't bail on people (again, that point came out of nowhere). YOU brought that into the situation. Not gonna go any further, you just keep bringing up random stuff that has nothing to do with anything I've said.

Literally all I've said is that Hurts needs to fix his attitude on the sideline because he's the face of a billion dollar franchise in a sports crazy city. That's apparently a wild thing to say.

According to you, he had an attitude problem. It’s not wild it’s just one persons opinion that has no credibility because you can’t back it up. I REALLY REALLY BELIEVE IT is not a debate position. 

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

BS. This conversation started with a tweet citing "sources" of teammates talking about Hurts leadership. You replied to that saying "where there's smoke..." 

Now you're saying 2 different, conflicting things about it.  1, that you don't care what his teammates say which isn't true because you replied to a post about what his teammates say about him. 2, now you're saying teammates won't badmouth each other...which is the content of the tweet you replied to seemingly agreeing with it, saying  "where there's smoke..." 

You're inconsistent, changing the argument, contradicting yourself then suggesting others are the ones with problems in logic. 

Literally the only thing I responded to you were YOUR comments on that tweet. I didn't say a single thing about the tweet itself. YOU started trying to equate Hurts's stoic demeanor to Jordan and Brady which was ridiculous, and then you started just interjecting random ish that had nothing to do with anything. You didn't even know what the point of that post was the entire time lmfao that makes a lot of sense. I was responding to YOU, and YOUR comparison of Hurts to Michael Jordan and Tom Brady.  Not whatever that tweet said. And that'll do it for the night, I've been trying to have a discussion with two people who didn't even know what the topic of conversation was 

3 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

According to you, he had an attitude problem. It’s not wild it’s just one persons opinion that has no credibility because you can’t back it up. I REALLY REALLY BELIEVE IT is not a debate position. 

The entire point was he needs to fix his demeanor on the sideline and interviews. He's a leader, and the face of the franchise. Like it or not, those optics matter to fans and other players. He looks like he doesn't give a F at all, ever. 

2 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

I was more talking about the yardage element to DPI - it needs to stay a spot foul. Intentional grounding is a spot foul.

Right. But it still stands a 15 yard DPI would still be tied for the most punishable penalty. Offense has no penalty that forces down to change by 2-3 downs and get yardage. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"He’s humble on the outside and in what he says, but on the inside he’s a f–king killer,” Eagles center Jason Kelce told The Post on Wednesday. "The best guys that I’ve ever been around, all these guys have the confidence, but they’re humble enough to gain the respect of their peers around them … but in their head, they’re killers.”

"He’s had great intangibles since the moment he got here,” Kelce said. "That’s one of the reasons he’s improved and gotten to this high caliber so quickly. He’s a coach’s son, his brother’s a coach, so he’s been very ingrained in football culture being a leader his whole life."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

44 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"He’s humble on the outside and in what he says, but on the inside he’s a f–king killer,” Eagles center Jason Kelce told The Post on Wednesday. "The best guys that I’ve ever been around, all these guys have the confidence, but they’re humble enough to gain the respect of their peers around them … but in their head, they’re killers.”

"He’s had great intangibles since the moment he got here,” Kelce said. "That’s one of the reasons he’s improved and gotten to this high caliber so quickly. He’s a coach’s son, his brother’s a coach, so he’s been very ingrained in football culture being a leader his whole life."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My phone only has so much ram. 

43 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

My phone only has so much ram. 

Your phone is not a leader of ram 

6 hours ago, Next_Up said:

Most of those admirals come out of subs and as you know, you can't get rid of a person on a sub mid mission. 

Embiid is such a joy to watch, even as a Nets fan. Dude is a baller.

It's a shame that he's a perennial choker in big moments so far. Obviously the Nets are winning crap, so I wouldn't mind Philly. Not a ton of hatred there for me.

5 hours ago, NOTW said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"He’s humble on the outside and in what he says, but on the inside he’s a f–king killer,” Eagles center Jason Kelce told The Post on Wednesday. "The best guys that I’ve ever been around, all these guys have the confidence, but they’re humble enough to gain the respect of their peers around them … but in their head, they’re killers.”

"He’s had great intangibles since the moment he got here,” Kelce said. "That’s one of the reasons he’s improved and gotten to this high caliber so quickly. He’s a coach’s son, his brother’s a coach, so he’s been very ingrained in football culture being a leader his whole life."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is great stuff.  It should be noted that every quote is prior to this season's historic collapse.  Not all on Hurts, of course.  But leadership is every moment, especially the difficult moments.  It's easy to be a leader coming off a great season, a great SB performance, etc.  What we all want to know is how he leads moving forward after being a league leader in turnovers, after leading an offense with some of the best talent to scraps for the past two months.  I am a Jalen fan, but he is at an early career juncture.  Truth is truth.  This next season is very important for him and the team.  There is no doubt he has to make adaptations to limit turnovers and lead the team.  In football, with the massive turnover, how one leads each season has to be adaptable to the room.  He leads people with the same drive, determination, willingness to work and sacrifice, and dramatic egos.  After this season, there will be a lot of player churn, he has to be ready to lead them, not the 2022 team.

8 hours ago, Next_Up said:

Hurts has a demeanor. You don't like his demeanor. You also don't know ish about how his demeanor plays into his success as a leader or QB. You don't like him as a QB, apparently personally or as a player. Good for you. To use Foles as an example the way you did is utter nonsense. Foles had an epic run to the SB. More often than those games, he was epically fading back under pressure and throwing in desperation off his back foot -- under retreat. Your memory is selective to prove your opinion and that's all this is -- your uniformed opinion. I recall Brandon Graham saying "you don't know Jalen Hurts like I know Jalen Hurts" to the other team when Hurts was about to come onto the field and win in OT. I trust Graham's understanding of leadership and football and he literally endorsed Hurts in a clutch situation. Yeah for drama! We need to make ish up to be "right" about something and at the end of the day, it is very likely wrong based on the body of work Hurts has put in. What job are you pretty damn good at? Does it include leading a group of men who have dedicated their lives to their craft, make millions of dollars and living in the fishbowl of professional sports. If so, I cede the table, it's yours. If not and you are good at a job in a normal workplace, you don't know what you are talking about. You are speculating and with bias because clearly based on your posts you don't like Hurts. 

TL;DR

the bias here is that you like him for whatever reason and cant separate critiquing his play and leadership abilities from your feels about him. 

7 hours ago, devpool said:

The entire point was he needs to fix his demeanor on the sideline and interviews. He's a leader, and the face of the franchise. Like it or not, those optics matter to fans and other players. He looks like he doesn't give a F at all, ever. 

And no team mate is going to trash him outright to the media. Thats a violation of code. So all the tweets and quotes dont mean ish. They know to just give those sound bites regardless of what they think. They did the same with Wentz when winning.

can hurts lead in adversity? Not yet it would seem

8 hours ago, devpool said:

He brought up foles!! Lmfao and I don't understand why you're bringing up him throwing off his back foot??? You and NOTW are kings of irrelevance.

I'm in the navy leading a group of men and women who do a job infinitely harder than these dudes, so no it's not a normal workplace. I don't like Hurts's demeanor because it looks like he doesn't give a F. And I also don't care what any player has to say about any other one while they're on the same team. You think anyone is going to come out and say "yea I hate how he acts on the sideline"? These players are professionals, they won't badmouth anyone unless they've actually done something wrong. Guarantee there is a handful of players who don't like how Hurts leads. It's human nature. But thkse guys aren't going to come our and say anything cause you just don't do that

Leadership comes in many different forms, but one of the most important qualities is being or making yourself available.  Hurts goes and hides on the sidelines it seems like after his 20 seconds of pretending to look at the tablet.

The Eagles were:

1. Unprepared for over half their games this season.

2. Never were on the same page.

3. Lacked ability to adjust/recognize simple aspects of the game.

Should i keep going?

 

Now let’s search for a common theme in that giant post above….’tone setter’ ‘example setter’ or anything along those lines.  Ya….

I can't believe McNabb was just sitting on the sidelines like a bish.   Oops I mean Hurts, sorry it just rolls off the tongue.

 

Seriously though he is 100% right that it is all based on results.  His foundation is a lot better and more developed than Wentz' so I'm not really worried about his persona or leadership at all.  Just don't play like dog crap, get back to 2022.

 

8 hours ago, T-1000 said:

He is, has been, and forever will be THE biggest fraud in the Philly sports media. How he still has a job is a mystery. 

He should give thanks every single day that twitter and podcasts exist. If it didn't what would he do? Somehow he lucked in to covering the Eagles and has access to the team and all he has to do is sit on his phone and tweet out absurd stuff. 

Somehow, 140k follow him. His bio states "a bad take is better than no take at all" so he openly admits he is full of bad takes. Makes me also wonder how much of it does he truly believe or how much of his content is just to get clicks?

Has he ever had a sports column and written articles? How does someone who tweets go to a job interview? Look at these 140 characters I wrote back in 2015. It's gold! 

 

11 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

He was kicking the FG to tie it though. Allen and his hero ball is why they lost

There are a lot of reasons.   You could also throw some blame at Diggs for dropping the beautiful deep ball that Allen put on him late in the game too.    Teams win.   Teams lose.    That is the constant of football.    One player might play a larger role than others, but they all share the blame - no matter what Darius Slay tries to tell anyone.

7 hours ago, devpool said:

Again, don't care what one player has to say. One out of 53. You used the leadership from your admiral boss to say we shouldn't bail on people (again, that point came out of nowhere). YOU brought that into the situation. Not gonna go any further, you just keep bringing up random stuff that has nothing to do with anything I've said.

Literally all I've said is that Hurts needs to fix his attitude on the sideline because he's the face of a billion dollar franchise in a sports crazy city. That's apparently a wild thing to say.

Did he just say that leading in football is harder than the military?  Where wrong leadership decisions are life and death? For some insanely stupid reason?  What the actual f…lol

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

There are a lot of reasons.   You could also throw some blame at Diggs for dropping the beautiful deep ball that Allen put on him late in the game too.    Teams win.   Teams lose.    That is the constant of football.    One player might play a larger role than others, but they all share the blame - no matter what Darius Slay tries to tell anyone.

You can blame diggs for not trying the entire game…not just that one ball.  He made about 5 business decisions that game to not go for contested balls.

11 hours ago, Birdman said:

Unfortunately that's the world we live in now. 

Social media will be mankind's downfall...

Mankind will be mankind's downfall.  Social media just brings more awareness to the human condition.   Nothing new about this.  Death threats for stupid stuff like sports has been around way longer than Twitter.