4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Why I don't get why  he is getting another shot. Interviewing Caldwell for DC like what are we doing 

Half measures. That’s all they ever do. 

31 minutes ago, twistr said:

I mean....one would think the new OC and DC would want their own position coaches to a large extent as well....as long as Stoutland stays everything is ok.

I think everyone would be fine with a complete overhaul with the exception of Stoutland and possibly Clay

34 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

We already have an assistant head coach AND an associate head coach. I’m not sure either are leaving either. 

All these titles being tossed around... and yet the offense still sucked.   And what exactly does an "Associate" head coach do?   Or, an "Assistant" head coach?    What blame does Patullo take for the pathetic passing game that he supposedly was 'coordinating'?

 

Too many cooks ruins the soup.   Consider this:  The Eagles have an offensively minded HC, who supposedly has 'his' system.   We have an offensive coordinator.  We have a running game coordinator/offensive line coach.  We have a passing game coordinator/associate head coach.  We have a running backs coach/assistant head coach.  Personally, if I were Alex Tanney, Aaron Moorehead or Jason Michael I'd be screaming at my agent asking why I don't have a fancy title added on to my position coach status.  Tanney could be QB Coach/Brotherly Shove coordinator.  Aaron Moorehead could be WR Coach/WR Screen cleaner.  Jason Michael could be TE coach/Missing Persons expert (because the backup TEs were invisible this year, even when they weren't overshadowed by the Goedert... who was also a missing person in this offense).

35 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

LMAO, they can go pound sand on their way out the door too then. Brian Johnson was TERRIBLE at his job and despite the lazy narrative that a lot of the media members are pushing was not only NOT a scapegoat but deserved to get crap canned.

34 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Well, there are very few coaches that could leave that I'd be sad to see go.   Actually... there's only one.   And he's already survived two other head coaching changes.   Bring back Stoutland, and the rest can just go pound sand.   None of them did anything to qualify for a return.

The RB rotation made no sense.  Swift was the best weapon they had to get in open space, yet Gainwell was the guy they used in that capacity.  The RB coach also HAD to be in on the discussion regarding the Penny signing.  That was a great move.  He's gotta bear some responsibility too.

WR coach - Moorehead has developed NO ONE.  Smith came in as essentially a finished product.  Probably one of the top 5 WR technicians to be brought in from NCAA in the last 20 years.

TE Coach - WE have ZERO depth behind Goedert.  Literally ZERO.  The back up TEs provided this team with NOTHING.   Stoll is pathetic.  And please, don't give me his blocking.  For as much as he was used in the passing game, the Eagles would have been better off using Tyler Steen as an extra OL in the game than to play Stoll.  Calcaterra barely played and STILL managed to get hurt.   And Albert O... Another great trade!  Fortunately, we gave up next to nothing... but he brought exactly NOTHING to this team.

Passing game coordinator?  Is Patullo the genius that thought that Smith should be lead blocking on WR screens?  Is he the genius that ignored the middle of the field as part of the passing game?    I know Hurts is short... and so was Drew Brees.  Brees made a killing over the middle in his career.   That's where Hurts should be going much more than he does.  

And speaking of that... where was the QB coach in helping the QB develop that short passing game over the middle?  

 

And the defense?   Virtually zero development of the LBs and DBs...  And the DL, despite the investment under achieved.

 

Fire them ALL.   

15 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

 

Man, I'm nervous as hell about this.  We have to correct this dysfunction or we will end up having a 5-12 season next year.  

 

Yup.  Frankly, if they don't want to be here... let them out of their contract and bring in someone who wants to be here.  

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I think everyone would be fine with a complete overhaul with the exception of Stoutland and possibly Clay

Meh.  What did Clay really do?   Elliott is Elliott.   They replaced the punter.   Covey was better as a PR with a year under his belt to get more comfortable with the live bullets you see on the PR.   And KR is a meaningless position, by and large.  

50 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

We already have an assistant head coach AND an associate head coach. I’m not sure either are leaving either. 

Hear me out. What if we have an Assistant Head Coach, a Senior Assistant Head Coach, an Assistant to the Head Coach and a Double Secret Assistant Head Coach in case of emergency? What a hierarchy and succession plan in place!

51 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

What about lieutenant head coach?

Would that lieutenant throw a position coach off the side of the submarine NovaCare Complex?

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Meh.  What did Clay really do?   Elliott is Elliott.   They replaced the punter.   Covey was better as a PR with a year under his belt to get more comfortable with the live bullets you see on the PR.   And KR is a meaningless position, by and large.  

I said possibly 🤷‍♂️ lol

58 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

It should go beyond coordinators. because if it was systemically that bad, its not just the coordinators. Everyone knows we havent developed a WR. We havent developed a RB. We havent developed a LB. We havent developed a DL....

58 minutes ago, twistr said:

I mean....one would think the new OC and DC would want their own position coaches to a large extent as well....as long as Stoutland stays everything is ok.

you would think commons sense says theyd be hiring new position coaches but the media is as bad as the taters in here right now. Anything to drive the narrative and guys in here are eating it up.

34 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

 

Man, I'm nervous as hell about this.  We have to correct this dysfunction or we will end up having a 5-12 season next year.  

 

Has there been any confirmation that tomorrow is just a PC with Howie and Sirianni and that he's 100% for sure staying? Maybe it's a joint PC to thank Nick in a professional manner and they are conducting a search?

Wishful thinking?

20 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Meh.  What did Clay really do?   Elliott is Elliott.   They replaced the punter.   Covey was better as a PR with a year under his belt to get more comfortable with the live bullets you see on the PR.   And KR is a meaningless position, by and large.  

Aside from the development that you just completely discounted, he fixed the coverage units which both used to suck. Im not sure what more he possibly could have done. I guess we can still use a good KR game. But literally everything else that was bad initially, he turned good.

I would think the way to do things is for the Head Coach to decide the coordinators then work with each coordinator about their specific position coaches. If the HC wants to fire a position coach that should be his call. If he wants to keep a position coach and the coordinator has an issue with it, they have to work through that.

Ultimately, the HC needs to have a vision and philosophy and weigh every hire, every play design decision, every in-game decision against that philosophy. Does Siri have that?

Going further, the front office need to have a philosophy and weigh every coaching hire, scouting hire, roster decision, scouting, drafting, free agent signing against that philosophy. One problem is the organization changes what it's looking for each coaching hire and wants the HC to create the identity. They tend to overcorrect for something the last guy did with each new hire. Reid's offense got stale, they tried Chip to be an innovator. Chip was bad with players, they hired Doug for emotional intelligence. Doug wanted to not make major changes so Lurie fired him and got Siri to get younger bright minds. Both coordinators left and it was up to Siri to replace them with more upcoming minds. Now it "seems" (mixed reports, we'll see what happens) they are going for experienced coordinators to bring back stability and fundamentals.

There's adapting and progressing with how the game changes over time, but this organization seems to not have much of an identity other than building through the lines (which is always a good philosophy) and having an explosive offense. But even building the lines can get too much focus, for example not placing priority on the back 7 on defense in the draft.

Balance. In short, the team needs balance. Instead of overcorrecting or a pendulum swing from this theme to that trend and all that, they need to decide what kind of organization they want to be and weigh every decision, hire and roster move against it.

48 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

He's a running QB,   and offense adapted to the QB is going to have big running backs,  big fullbacks,  a lot of blocking.

The Eagles system is not adapted to a running QB,  it's as if Siri thinks that Jalen Hurts is Philip Rivers.   Siri and Shane weren't hired because they had any experience at all with running QBs.   Most years,  Siri and Shane were coaching Philip Rivers.   The Chargers and Colts did not have running QBs.

Is it hard for an expert on running QBs and a strong run game to take  top young running QB and win almost always,  immediately?   No,  not at all.   Jalen Hurts didn't get wins right away,  it took 3 years.

Lamar Jackson,  however,  with Greg Roman as OC,  started his rookie year with a 6-1 record while breaking the NFL records for the most carries in a game.   The next year,  Lamar goes 13-2,  the Ravens are the #1 seed,  and Lamar wins the MVP.

Run first offense with running QBs wins immediately.   Trying to make a running QB into a generic NFL passer doesn't win immediately.  Did work with Hurts in year 3.   Running QBs are best,  but most NFL coaches don't know what to do with them.

Possibly the dumbest thing you’ve said today, and that’s an achievement. 

Do we know what time Howie & Nick are going to speak to the media tomorrow?

I need to make sure to block some time off in my calendar so I can watch the shitshow unravel in realtime. 

22 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Has there been any confirmation that tomorrow is just a PC with Howie and Sirianni and that he's 100% for sure staying? Maybe it's a joint PC to thank Nick in a professional manner and they are conducting a search?

Wishful thinking?

I wish lol. It's going to be a nothing PC.

"We're disappointed with how the season ended, Nick is gonna bring in some great coordinators to try to get us back on track next season. We know we have the talent, now we just need the execution."

3 minutes ago, devpool said:

I wish lol. It's going to be a nothing PC.

"We're disappointed with how the season ended, Nick is gonna bring in some great coordinators to try to get us back on track next season. We know we have the talent, now we just need the execution."

Are you suggesting we execute the coordinators?   

Not the worst idea I've heard.

 

 

 

 

(obviously a joke folks...  )

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

 

Hopefully the QB, WR, and DL coaches are EXTRA pissed

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  Frankly, if they don't want to be here... let them out of their contract and bring in someone who wants to be here.  

Get the OC & DC in place then worry about position coaches etc.

2 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Get the OC & DC in place then worry about position coaches etc.

Yup.   Let Howie play match maker.   

22 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Are you suggesting we execute the coordinators?   

Not the worst idea I've heard.

 

 

 

 

(obviously a joke folks...  )

John McKay would be proud!

Looks like we reached out to Minter but he is waiting on Harbaugh