There are a lot of issues on defense, but they're not going to blow up the roster as dramatically as some think.  The offense is still mostly set with a couple changes to come but with new coaching the offense should - keyword should - be solid next year.  

What I would do on defense:

• Free agents to let walk: Cunningham, Justin Evans, Shaq Leonard, Roby
• Cut: Bradberry, Byard, Morrow, Maddox, Zech
• Get a starting DE whether in free agency or a high draft pick.
• Keep BG as a part-time rotational DE
• Sign a LB (or 2) in free agency. They won't spend big, but competent starters along the lines of Kyzir White would be fine.
• Sign a decent safety (doubt Howie spends big)
• Draft: Safety or Corner, DE and LB however that shakes out with the BPA with their top picks.
• Corner: they might not be able to add someone if they spend $ and picks on other positions.  Slay and the young guys with upgrades at Safety, LB and DE and a proper DC coaching them can suffice.
• DT: let Cox go (I hate to see it) and spend his money elsewhere.  Major conditioning program for Jordan Davis.  With upgrades at DE and LB there won't be as much pressure on the DTs.  Carter will have a full offseason and be a stud player.  Yes, he regressed...so did most of the team with these bum coaches.

 

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Probably both honestly. But to be fair, losing both coordinators generally doesn't end well, and it ends even worse when they're younger coordinators to a non-generational head coach. Avoiding that by itself should be organizational policy moving forward in my opinion. Otherwise if we get double plucked we'll probably have similar issues.

Correct.  And stop hiring a HC that is completely dependent on the coordinators.  Have a HC that can handle losing one, because he can takeover for him if needed.  

4 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Pretty good but Bradberry absolutely has to be one of the June 1st cuts. The two you list are already free agents anyway. You can pick 2 new names. 

You only get to designate 2 players as post-June 1st cuts in March (they're higher cap number stays on the books until then) and that would be Cox and BG. They are not free agents. They're both under contract were purposely structured with both sides knowing that they would either (1) come to an agreement on another deal before March 14 or (2) Release them on March 14 with the June 1st cut designation (There is a "poison pill" structured in both that if they are on the roster without a new deal after March 14, they get a crazy guaranteed roster bonus of like $30M). Kelce's deal was structured the same way except that option #2 was him retiring (but not turning in his papers until after June 1st). 

8 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Howie needs to go back to contracts. He needs to stay the F away from talent evaluation, particularly on defense. He needs to stay away from game planning and from creating offensive and defensive philosophies. He needs to stay away from tinkering with the coaching staff mid-season.

Yup.

I look at it like this, howie is the manager of a. restaurant but hes never cooked anything, hes watched trained guys cook or guys learn to cook by cooking on the line but hes never actually cooked on the line so when all his cooks call in sick or are idiots and he has to go to the back of the house to cook he burns the kitchen down then blames his cooks and back of house.

Howie is a good expediter, hes good at the front of the house he needs to stay out of the kitchen and let the chefs and cooks do what they do same goes for Lurie, a lot of restaurant owners are chefs or former chefs and some are just financial backers, Lurie has gotten to the point where he thinks he can work back of the house on the line because he knows the difference between a steak and a chicken.

All he needs to do is write the checks and stay out of the kitchen 

 

 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Correct.  And stop hiring a HC that is completely dependent on the coordinators.  Have a HC that can handle losing one, because he can takeover for him if needed.  

Wasn't supposed to happen, to be fair. It happened mostly because the scheme Sirianni learned on seems to have been mostly solved. You'll notice Steichen is the only person who seems to be able to keep a job with it, and he's a rookie coach so the jury is still out.

I honestly do not want us to fire Sirianni. I think it's a very dangerous precedent for organizational credibility. But I think if he does get fired, I don't want young head coaches. And unfortunately, the biggest name older candidates would blow up the organization if combined with Howie Roseman. So we're left with the smaller name older candidates.

Looks like a few good nickle CBs this year 

 

5 minutes ago, NOTW said:

There are a lot of issues on defense, but they're not going to blow up the roster as dramatically as some think.  The offense is still mostly set with a couple changes to come but with new coaching the offense should - keyword should - be solid next year.  

What I would do on defense:

• Free agents to let walk: Cunningham, Justin Evans, Shaq Leonard, Roby
• Cut: Bradberry, Byard, Morrow, Maddox, Zech
• Get a starting DE whether in free agency or a high draft pick.
• Keep BG as a part-time rotational DE
• Sign a LB (or 2) in free agency. They won't spend big, but competent starters along the lines of Kyzir White would be fine.
• Sign a decent safety (doubt Howie spends big)
• Draft: Safety or Corner, DE and LB however that shakes out with the BPA with their top picks.
• Corner: they might not be able to add someone if they spend $ and picks on other positions.  Slay and the young guys with upgrades at Safety, LB and DE and a proper DC coaching them can suffice.
• DT: let Cox go (I hate to see it) and spend his money elsewhere.  Major conditioning program for Jordan Davis.  With upgrades at DE and LB there won't be as much pressure on the DTs.  Carter will have a full offseason and be a stud player.  Yes, he regressed...so did most of the team with these bum coaches.

 

Only changes I see are:

 - I'd keep Zech, at least for training camp. Hopefully Rodgers can be the SCB, but Zech was working there this summer. 

- If the price is right, I'd bring back Cox

- I'd look to trade Reddick and use the money on a FA splash at DE

1 minute ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Looks like a few good nickle CBs this year 

 

 

Someone later to compete with Isaiah Rodgers and Zech would be ideal as I don't see any possible freaking way they resign Dallas Goedert's weird arse roommate.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nope. 

QB - Wentz/Foles > Hurts/Mariota
RB - Blount/Ajayi/Clement >> Swift/Gainwell/Scott
TE - Ertz/Celek/Burton >> Goedert/Stoll/Calcaterra
LT - Peters/Vaitai > Mailata
LG - Wiz < Dickerson
C - Kelce > Kelce
RG - Brooks > Jurgens/Opeta/Steen
RT - Johnson > Johnson
WR - Jeffery/Smith/Agholor < Brown/Smith/Watkins

This team's 'talent' is overvalued, even offensively.  They should have been way better than they were, but the 2017 team was better,

And there's no point in comparing the defense.  Landslide for 2017. 

Hurts at his max potential (last season) was as good as Wentz during the regular season and almost as good as Foles during the playoffs and Super Bowl - so like I said, max potential would have been about a draw with the QB’s  - with Foles being the better Super Bowl QB. 

Offensive line was a draw.

I love Ertz and think he was spectacular in 2017 but I think Goedert’s ceiling is higher than Ertz’ based on the fact that he is much bigger, can play much more physically (run after the catch) and is a much better blocker - so a more "complete” TE.  Goedert can do just about everything the position of TE requires and can do it at the highest levels when given the opportunity.  This current offensive scheme basically schemes Goedert as the 3rd/4th option on the vast majority of passing plays and never schemes him up the middle of the field - where he should be schemed - the way Andy Reid schemes Kelce.

 

WR’s are better this season in terms of talent. 
 

RB’s were definitely better in 2017.

 

Defense was obviously better in 2017 but my main point is that this year’s offensive roster is easily a Super Bowl caliber level roster. 
 

The biggest issue is the desire of the team, coaching/play calling - and the 2017 team destroys this year’s team in those categories.  

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Wasn't supposed to happen, to be fair. It happened mostly because the scheme Sirianni learned on seems to have been mostly solved. You'll notice Steichen is the only person who seems to be able to keep a job with it, and he's a rookie coach so the jury is still out.

I honestly do not want us to fire Sirianni. I think it's a very dangerous precedent for organizational credibility. But I think if he does get fired, I don't want young head coaches. And unfortunately, the biggest name older candidates would blow up the organization if combined with Howie Roseman. So we're left with the smaller name older candidates.

They hired Sirianni knowing that he never called plays before coming here.   There was always that chance.  

 

Or we dump Howie.  Sometimes... it has to be done.  Howie's mismanagement of the defensive personnel is just as much to blame for their futility as the coaches, and the move to change DCs midseason has his finger prints all over it.  There's no way that was 100% Sirianni's call.   

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

Someone later to compete with Isaiah Rodgers and Zech would be ideal as I don't see any possible freaking way they resign Dallas Goedert's weird arse roommate.

Zech Mcphearson sucks. Good for the Eagles taking a bunch of swings at some CBs over the years, but aside from maybe Ringo, none of them can play. Jobe, Ricks, Scott, McCollum, etc etc. They all suck. Bring them into camp, but if any of them sans Ringo are seriously in their plans for next season, they have issues. They need to address their DBs in a huge way.

Every game this year. Whole staff should be fired for starting this clown over Ringo:

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

He's an imperfect GM. No GM gets them all right. He gets more right than most. I actually think it's gotten to the point where Howie's wins are so good that any time he has the slightest failure people drastically overweight them. It's hard to pay QBs big money and construct a roster without flaws. Now he has the chance to fix it. He's proven he can in the past multiple times over.

This.  Exactly. 

9 minutes ago, NOTW said:

There are a lot of issues on defense, but they're not going to blow up the roster as dramatically as some think.  The offense is still mostly set with a couple changes to come but with new coaching the offense should - keyword should - be solid next year.  

What I would do on defense:

• Free agents to let walk: Cunningham, Justin Evans, Shaq Leonard, Roby
• Cut: Bradberry, Byard, Morrow, Maddox, Zech
• Get a starting DE whether in free agency or a high draft pick.
• Keep BG as a part-time rotational DE
• Sign a LB (or 2) in free agency. They won't spend big, but competent starters along the lines of Kyzir White would be fine.
• Sign a decent safety (doubt Howie spends big)
• Draft: Safety or Corner, DE and LB however that shakes out with the BPA with their top picks.
• Corner: they might not be able to add someone if they spend $ and picks on other positions.  Slay and the young guys with upgrades at Safety, LB and DE and a proper DC coaching them can suffice.
• DT: let Cox go (I hate to see it) and spend his money elsewhere.  Major conditioning program for Jordan Davis.  With upgrades at DE and LB there won't be as much pressure on the DTs.  Carter will have a full offseason and be a stud player.  Yes, he regressed...so did most of the team with these bum coaches.

 

I'd retain Cunningham but only at a favorable rate. Agree with the rest especially conditioning for JD. That needed to happen last offseason. Really need to improve talent development side of things after this debacle.

 

 

Howie wont get dumped until Julian takes over the team

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Zech Mcphearson sucks. Good for the Eagles taking a bunch of swings at some CBs over the years, but aside from maybe Ringo, none of them can play. Jobe, Ricks, Scott, McCollum, etc etc. They all suck. Bring them into camp, but if any of them sans Ringo are seriously in their plans for next season, they have issues. They need to address their DBs in a huge way.

Slay is back at CB1 (assuming it wasn't a catastrophic injury last night). The risk of major decline is real, but Slay was actually pretty good this year. CB2 -- cutting JB may not happen, as the post 6/1 slots may be used for Graham, Cox or Kelce. Plus, there's no savings even with him post 6/1. So maybe he stays on the roster and is inactive, though you'd waste a spot because he doesn't play ST. Maddox is gone. Ringo will be on the team. So that leaves Ricks and Jobe on the outside, Rodgers and Zech inside to battle for 3-4 spots. 

Slay, Ringo, Rodgers, Ricks, Jobe. Jobe is a core ST guy. Then hopefully a rookie makes 6.

13 missed tackles

Unacceptable 

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They hired Sirianni knowing that he never called plays before coming here.   There was always that chance.  

Or we dump Howie.  Sometimes... it has to be done.  Howie's mismanagement of the defensive personnel is just as much to blame for their futility as the coaches, and the move to change DCs midseason has his finger prints all over it.  There's no way that was 100% Sirianni's call.   

It's a chance with young coaches in general, always. Growing pains is quite literally the risk with them to begin with. It's why I've said a few times, if you hire a young coach as a GM without understanding that's a possibility, then the GM is equally complicit. 

I don't think the trend towards younger coaches in Philadelphia is appropriate. We've tried it, it's not all it's cracked up to be, and so we should probably hire a bit older than the league is trending right now. People tend to forget this, but Shanahan had quite a bit of offensive coordinator experience before becoming a head coach, a decent amount more than a lot of the other candidates recently. And that's even CONSIDERING that he's second generation behind a back to back Super Bowl winning head coach.

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Zech Mcphearson sucks. Good for the Eagles taking a bunch of swings at some CBs over the years, but aside from maybe Ringo, none of them can play. Jobe, Ricks, Scott, McCollum, etc etc. They all suck. Bring them into camp, but if any of them sans Ringo are seriously in their plans for next season, they have issues. They need to address their DBs in a huge way.

The safties are somehow worse than the old slow corners

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Every game this year. Whole staff should be fired for starting this clown over Ringo:

 

I swear he was benched and then for some reason brought back in

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

 

Looked like he tried to trip him and cause a flag

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

 

 

Bradberry is done.  Not sure what happened with his last few injuries but he has no explosion and looks really, really slow out there. Really unfortunate considering he made All-Pro last season. 

 

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Correct.  And stop hiring a HC that is completely dependent on the coordinators.  Have a HC that can handle losing one, because he can takeover for him if needed.  

Starting to think all of this dysfunctional stuff is coming from upstairs with the way the players have been going to bat for Siri. Problems are likely deeper than what we think and will likely persist if this is true. Hopefully Kelce spills the beans on his show post retirement. That Desai desperation move smells of the FO making the decision and Siri jumping on the sword. Starting to think that the game planning philosophy is dictated from upstairs too with a potential micromanagement disaster. If they come back with the same schemes next year we know where the problem is for sure.