The best part about the Fangio hire is that you're guaranteed competence. That means if Sirianni sucks, we can hire an offensive coach next season without worrying about the DC position. That opens up Slowik, Joe Brady, Todd Monken, Canales, etc. to be the play-caller.

It not only helps in 2024, but in 2025.

Jerrod Johnson was interviewed for the Rooney rule in a favor to Sirianni.

Sirianni said the OC will run the offense with their vision and call the plays. They are not hiring a guy who has never called plays.

I expect Kliff to be announced in the next 48 hours as well.

8 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Isn't Desai a Fangio style DC and didn't he shut down Miami's offense?  Perhaps Fangio told him what he didn't want to hear.

Sample size of one, and we also discussed at the time how the fins beat themselves just as much as we beat them. Not interested in rehashing the whole "luck" argument, but that was one of the games I recall pointing to, along with the Chiefs and Cowboys.

Pretty crazy to jump off the phone to see a patient and come back to Fangio being the DC. 

29 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

So he can be the scapegoat for next season. This is what Howie does better than anyone else in the league. Not roster building, but fall guy grooming.

Yuuuuuup.

 

How many coaches does a GM get to burn through before its his turn?  

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Fangio. It's probably a fine hire, and definitely an improvement from Desai/Pencil, but...just so disappointing at the same time.

I get that he will be an improvement to Desai, but that doesn’t say much because it could not get worse anyhow. I would have like a DC with a more aggressive style. Just a personal preference on my part, as I don’t think it’s a good strategy to just wait for offense to gift you mistakes etc. and if they don’t, then they just put together long scoring drives like we had to witness all year. 

29 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Fangio will get no back 7 and like it!

Does 7 outcomes in a row cause you to reconsider?

1 minute ago, garingovt2000 said:

Looking at Dolphins Defensive Team stats quickly

66.9% completion percentage (5th worst in NFL) however 18th most passing yards given up.  However 8th most defensive passing TD's given up

3.8 yards per carry given up (5th best in NFL) and 7th fewest yards/game on the ground.  However 19th most TD's given up on the ground

11th most points per game given up.

 

It’s a soft defense that only looks respectable when you have talent on defense. It’s going to be another long season of death by 1,000 paper cuts. And then the offense needs to operate at near perfection on every limited possession they get to keep this team in the game. For me, it’s maddening. 

26 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I forget who I had a conversation with on here, but I said there a top target if they would’ve known Jonathan Gannon was leaving and it was going to be Vic Fangio. And Vic Fangio probably would’ve stayed. This is exactly why I thought that. Because it soon as he became available, he’s the Eagles top target. No crap they wanted him to stay last year and we’re hoping Jonathan Gannon will get a job so they could upgrade from Gannon. Meanwhile Gannon Fed them so fangio went to Miami. He likely stays in Philly if we all knew wtf was going on with Gannon.

that said, I don’t want to fangio defense. Miami had injuries but everyone who run that’s system had issues last year. 

Doubt anything about this season changes with Fangio at the helm of the defense.  They still had no one on the back end.

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Interesting stats. Still not a fan.

 

The Philadelphia Eagles were 10-1 to start the season....

 

9 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Fangio. It's probably a fine hire, and definitely an improvement from Desai/Pencil, but...just so disappointing at the same time.

Yep. I guess we just gotta see how it shakes out, but can't say I'm super excited about it at the moment. There were at least 6 or 7 guys I'd have much rather seen get the job, but what can you do. Maybe with some added talent at S and LB, he can turn it into a serviceable unit, which just might be enough.

5 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

I get that he will be an improvement to Desai, but that doesn’t say much because it could not get worse anyhow. I would have like a DC with a more aggressive style. Just a personal preference on my part, as I don’t think it’s a good strategy to just wait for offense to gift you mistakes etc. and if they don’t, then they just put together long scoring drives like we had to witness all year. 

I want aggressive too. Just look at the remaining teams in the playoffs. SF, Balt and Detroit all play a very aggressive defense and the Chiefs have terrific LB talent. I'm just over this scheme. I want a new direction. 

27 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Positives

-- Nick recognized the scheme has to change and they'll be running a scheme slanted toward the new OC thinking and that OC will be calling plays

-- Howie recognized the 31-game stretch (26-5) I referred to previously, and balanced the 7-game skid against that

 

Negatives

-- Didn't seem like Howie recognized the talent on defense is as bad as it actually is

-- Nick talked so long answering one question that he forgot what the question was

Funny how these two things go together.   He's still focusing on what guys USED TO BE and what they USED TO DO, rather than who THEY CURRENTLY ARE, and what they ARE ABOUT TO BECOME.  

Bradberry - toast.
Cox - good for a few olays not the game wrecker he was.
Graham - great locker room guy - interior bull rush only now.
Slay - perhaps still above average, but there's nothing BIG PLAY about Slay anymore, unless it involves him making a business decision when it comes time to make a tackle... (and not a good one).
Cunningham/Leonard/Byard...  old, older. oldest.   Its not about their age, but the state of their bodies.  Once upon a time, they were really really good.  That hasn't been the case here.

 

 

58 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I wasn’t expecting the OC to basically be given the offense and Nick to be turned into a cheerleader

 

1 hour ago, paco said:

I won't be satisfied unless Nick comes out to the press conference like:

So.... nailed it?

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Loving that pressure rate.  We need to start creating some havoc out there.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

20th in 3rd down efficiency, 22nd in points allowed and 28th in the red zone.

Not really good.

29 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I'd love to see a good Wing-T.

I'd love to see a good ANYTHING schematically.

Just now, paco said:

 

So.... nailed it?

Definitely seemed like he got neutered. We'll see if it's real or if we see the same crap

Not seeing anywhere reporting it as done but assuming it is Fangio then I'm not pleased.  He might be the best option for directing a soft defense but it is still soft.  Bring back the days of Ryan, Carson, and Johnson.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Definitely seemed like he got neutered. We'll see if it's real or if we see the same crap

48 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Sounds that way to me too. 

The way Nick said that we can get a new guy and then paused and then added also get a guy who has been here before( paraphrasing). Might be Frank? 🙂

14 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Sample size of one, and we also discussed at the time how the fins beat themselves just as much as we beat them. Not interested in rehashing the whole "luck" argument, but that was one of the games I recall pointing to, along with the Chiefs and Cowboys.

I thought it was our best game of the year.  I was hopeful for Desai after that game.  

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Not seeing anywhere reporting it as done but assuming it is Fangio then I'm not pleased.  He might be the best option for directing a soft defense but it is still soft.  Bring back the days of Ryan, Carson, and Johnson.

I know we probably wouldn’t be able to get back to those days, but a change in defensive philosophy with a more aggressive style would certainly excite me more than staying with a system that hasn’t been working.