17 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Fangio basically admits he was going to be the Eagles hire last year.

 

the worst kept secret was fangio was there to replace Gannon if he got a HC job and the eagles were hoping Gannon would leave. And Gannon was a dbag in how he left and screwed fangio and the eagles. Not that it would’ve matter our back 7 was bad 

3 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Fangio basically admits he was going to be the Eagles hire last year.

 

 Considering Schwartz was pretty much hired before Doug, and Gannon somewhat technically was hired before Nick, Fangio makes sense for Howie and Jeff.   If Nick gets canned next season I'd expect Fangio to stay on with a new head coach or even retire. 

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Depends on the scheme, if they are one-gapping vs two-gapping, lined up as a 3-t, 4i-t, vs 5-t, etc. Fangio asks his guys to play leveraged one-gap, whereas Philips had em pure one-gapping across the board. He understood that if you had to give up yards in the air vs the ground, the latter is much less likely to be a dagger that you can't recover from. That's why Philips is one of the best to ever field a 3-4 defense, and Fangio is out the door in Miami after just one season. That's not to say Fangio is a moron who has no clue what he's doing, but he needs a decent amount of talent to be successful, otherwise you get thoroughly mediocre results.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

We stopped sucking over the last 2.5 months? 

28 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Happens every time…

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

No, no, no. That can't be possible, because according to eagles insider Hazelton Eagle, what we've been seeing wasn't even his offense to begin with.

  

 

 

3 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

On the plus side- Shanahan offense. Motion. Maybe rely more on the run game. Easy quick passes for the QB.

If you get that.   What makes you think you're going to get that?   Brian Johnson did a lot of good things in college with QBs who are NFL starters. A lot of innovation.  Hey D'eriq King,  great job playing WR this year,  a good 5 games.  Next week you're the starting QB.  Good stuff.  We got, occasionally,  an innovative play here or there.  2 rbs in the backfield running right, outside,  one blocking for the other.  That looked like it might be

Siri to Brian - "yes, you can innovate,  but within the context of Hurts throws to Brown, because we're actually going to do more of that this year.   This is a year where the stars have great stats,  and nobody else gets the ball thrown to them ever.  So, just keep throwing to Brown until he's hurt when we need him."

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

What cracks me up about this is Sirianni seems like the type of guy to hear this type of chatter about himself and absolutely lose his mind over it. 

44 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Gotta say, the most annoying/worst thing I keep hearing is "well, at least he's not a threat to get poached for a HC job!"

Is that where we are really at? Happy to get a lower coach instead of someone whose best at the job?

reminds us of JJ...

9 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Depends on the scheme, if they are one-gapping vs two-gapping, lined up as a 3-t, 4i-t, vs 5-t, etc. Fangio asks his guys to play leveraged one-gap, whereas Philips had em pure one-gapping across the board. He understood that if you had to give up yards in the air vs the ground, the latter is much less likely to be a dagger that you can't recover from. That's why Philips is one of the best to ever field a 3-4 defense, and Fangio is out the door in Miami after just one season. That's not to say Fangio is a moron who has no clue what he's doing, but he needs a decent amount of talent to be successful, otherwise you get thoroughly mediocre results.

Here's the way I see it.... mediocre results would be a massive improvement from this past year.    

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

No, no, no. That can't be possible, because according to eagles insider Hazelton Eagle, what we've been seeing wasn't even his offense to begin with.

I’m excited to see how HE spins this one. Should be incredible. 

This question was the ultimate 

 

57 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Trotter Jr. will be a huge focus in the draft.

Devin White, Patrick Queen, and Jordyn Brooks will be targets this offseason.

Fangio runs a 3-4. It forces Howie to prioritize linebacker.

If it's a true 3-4 then give me Jalyx Hunt later in the draft as an eagles era Connor Barwin clone.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Happens every time…

WIth the amount of pass-heavy offenses, you have to play 5 DBs a majority of the time anyway. So he's right in that the term 3-4 is a misnomer anyway. Same reason why the all-pro voting finally adapted and now has an award for NCB and changed the terminology of their LB and DL awards.

I’m surprised to see the tepid reception to Fangio. I get people wanted to move on from that type of scheme, but we aren’t employing the dollar store version anymore. We even saw him adjust once he lost his pass rushers to blitzing the ever loving heck out of Mahomes with good results. 

He wouldn’t have been my first choice. I wanted Nielsen, but this is a good hire. 

2 hours ago, RLC said:

That would be an amazing combo. Would also take Ron on the staff as a defensive positional coach / assistant HC in any capacity. 

Ron can stay home. Fangio can take it from here. 

I don't know if Fangio will work out or be a good or bad hire, kinda also depends on the roster as well.

But, one thing is he checks a major box of experienced DC that won't need to learn on the job. Nick is going to be busy walking around talking to players and "culture building" so he can't be bothered with defensive coaching (or offensive coaching, he needs an OC from outside with fresh ideas). 

We have to hope that Fangio brings stability and fundamentals, that at least the players won't be confused about their assignments and what's expected of them. Will it work? That's another question.

48 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

I think they both have great outlooks 

Yeah i just worry about size. They are small and reddick isnt large

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m surprised to see the tepid reception to Fangio. I get people wanted to move on from that type of scheme, but we aren’t employing the dollar store version anymore. We even saw him adjust once he lost his pass rushers to blitzing the ever living heck out of Mahomes with good results. 

He wouldn’t have been my first choice. I wanted Nielsen, but this is a good hire. 

A 6.

you know what you are getting. Servicable but not much more upside

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m surprised to see the tepid reception to Fangio. I get people wanted to move on from that type of scheme, but we aren’t employing the dollar store version anymore. We even saw him adjust once he lost his pass rushers to blitzing the ever living heck out of Mahomes with good results. 

He wouldn’t have been my first choice. I wanted Nielsen, but this is a good hire. 

I just hate how predictable they always seem to be. It always comes off as they don't have any new ideas on how to improve besides just doing what you already do, just better, which makes sense since that's Sirianni's mantra. 

The hire is what it is. I just hope they don't think they can keep/add the dollar store players and expect Fangio to wave a magic wand to make it work. 

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m surprised to see the tepid reception to Fangio. I get people wanted to move on from that type of scheme, but we aren’t employing the dollar store version anymore. We even saw him adjust once he lost his pass rushers to blitzing the ever living heck out of Mahomes with good results. 

He wouldn’t have been my first choice. I wanted Nielsen, but this is a good hire. 

In my defense i hate everything eagles related right now besides Jason kelce 

Was in work meetings and just caught up watching the full press conference. Takeaways by category.

General:

• The reporters did ask the hard questions, pressed further when they weren't satisfied with the answers. They asked about decision on Desai, who's offense is it really, was Hurts consulted about firing Brian Johnson, etc.
• On a question about the offense, Howie interjected to support Nick. Howie: before the 1-6 stretch, we were 26-5 over 2 seasons before that. Hard to do, hard to find a coach that can do that. (We predicted they would say that). 33-11 over 3 years before that. Not ok to finish 1-6. But hard to find a coach that can win that many games. He said he's not diminishing the 1-6 end.
• To Howie: noise about Nick being fired, what gave you confidence to bring Nick back? Howie: because I've seen what he's done to win games, putting in position to be in playoffs every year. Those things are hard to find. Can't lose sight of the big picture. Good people, good coaches, good people, were 10-1 after Buffalo game. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I just hate how predictable they always seem to be. It always comes off as they don't have any new ideas on how to improve besides just doing what you already do, just better, which makes sense since that's Sirianni's mantra. 

The hire is what it is. I just hope they don't think they can keep/add the dollar store players and expect Fangio to wave a magic wand to make it work. 

We have Coach Red Beaulieu running things.  Only so many ideas in the stolen notebook.

 

Dolphins were pretty similar to us in the pass defense stats. They had some more sacks and INTs. 
 

Less pressure rate

Bottom 5 red zone stoppage rate

Below average 3rd down stoppage rate

6 more TFL than Philly

67% completion rate (worse than Eagles, bottom 5 in the league) 

bottom 8 TD passes allowed

8 more deflected Passes, 6 more INTs, 

.3 more yards per attempt

.2 more yards per catch

bottom 9 for QBR allowed (Eagles were 4th worst) 

2 points less per game average  

123 missed tackles to Eagles 97  

their last 3 games both teams averaged over 25 first downs to the opponent per game.

 

Much better in sacks.

 

Even with having so many sacks/pressures he still ranked pretty low in passing categories. 

 

MEH Move.