2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

The safties are somehow worse than the old slow corners

In fairness byard is slow and looks old 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Slay is back at CB1 (assuming it wasn't a catastrophic injury last night). The risk of major decline is real, but Slay was actually pretty good this year. CB2 -- cutting JB may not happen, as the post 6/1 slots may be used for Graham, Cox or Kelce. Plus, there's no savings even with him post 6/1. So maybe he stays on the roster and is inactive, though you'd waste a spot because he doesn't play ST. Maddox is gone. Ringo will be on the team. So that leaves Ricks and Jobe on the outside, Rodgers and Zech inside to battle for 3-4 spots. 

Slay, Ringo, Rodgers, Ricks, Jobe. Jobe is a core ST guy. Then hopefully a rookie makes 6.

I think that core has a ceiling of "meh" with potential for disaster if Slay falls off a cliff and Ringo isn't ready or gets exposed. He was a 4th rounder after all and fell for a reason. He's far from a sure thing.

This has to be the year they invest a first rounder in a DB. Unless there's some linemen there just overwhelmingly the best on the board. They've allowed the talent on this roster to get way too unbalanced. They have so many picks invested in the DL and hardly anything in the back 7. Picks-wise, their highest in the back 7 is a 3rd on Dean and 4th on Ringo. I wonder how many playoff teams don't have a single first round pick in their entire back 7.

1 minute ago, judunno said:

Starting to think all of this dysfunctional stuff is coming from upstairs with the way the players have been going to bat for Siri. Problems are likely deeper than what we think and will likely persist if this is true. Hopefully Kelce spills the beans on his show post retirement. That Desai desperation move smells of the FO making the decision and Siri jumping on the sword. Starting to think that the game planning philosophy is dictated from upstairs too with a potential micromanagement disaster. If they come back with the same schemes next year we know where the problem is for sure.

Just burn it all down if that happens

 

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Correct.  And stop hiring a HC that is completely dependent on the coordinators.  Have a HC that can handle losing one, because he can takeover for him if needed.  

I agree with this.  Howie’s weakness (if he has one) is tending to hire coaches that are willing to give most of the player/personnel control to Howie.  I think they likely learned their lesson this year and will go after a veteran coach - even if it means giving up some of the player/personnel control.   They really need to find someone not as controlling as Chip Kelly was but with better control of the team than Sirianni had this past season, imo.  

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

They didn't dump it in time either 

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Correct.  And stop hiring a HC that is completely dependent on the coordinators.  Have a HC that can handle losing one, because he can takeover for him if needed.  

They don't have much of an organizational philosophy other than some basic things they kept since Reid:

• Build both lines (always a good idea)
• Lurie wants explosive offense that uses big plays and scores points
• On defense invest in D line (draft) and corner (free agency) and the rest are usually scrubs

They look for each head coach to bring the identity.  They change what they're looking for in a head coach each time from emotional intelligence or player's coach, innovator on offense, leader of men whatever.  Next if Siri's fired they'll go away from inexperienced guys and go for guys with HC experience.

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

And get a vet DC

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I think that core has a ceiling of "meh" with potential for disaster if Slay falls off a cliff and Ringo isn't ready or gets exposed. He was a 4th rounder after all and fell for a reason. He's far from a sure thing.

This has to be the year they invest a first rounder in a DB. Unless there's some linemen there just overwhelmingly the best on the board. They've allowed the talent on this roster to get way too unbalanced. They have so many picks invested in the DL and hardly anything in the back 7. Picks-wise, their highest in the back 7 is a 3rd on Dean and 4th on Ringo. I wonder how many playoff teams don't have a single first round pick in their entire back 7.

I'd like one of our 3 top picks to be a CB, but I don't want to count on a rookie CB. It's not a great group, but anything would be an upgrade from Bradberry, and our slot CBs were trash all year. I'd rather spend FA money at DE and LB.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Hurts at his max potential (last season) was as good as Wentz during the regular season and almost as good as Foles during the playoffs and Super Bowl - so like I said, max potential would have been about a draw with the QB’s  - with Foles being the better Super Bowl QB. 

Offensive line was a draw.

I love Ertz and think he was spectacular in 2017 but I think Goedert’s ceiling is higher than Ertz’ based on the fact that he is much bigger, can play much more physically (run after the catch) and is a much better blocker - so a more "complete” TE.  Goedert can do just about everything the position of TE requires and can do it at the highest levels when given the opportunity.  This current offensive scheme basically schemes Goedert as the 3rd/4th option on the vast majority of passing plays and never schemes him up the middle of the field - where he should be schemed - the way Andy Reid schemes Kelce.

WR’s are better this season in terms of talent. 
RB’s were definitely better in 2017.

Defense was obviously better in 2017 but my main point is that this year’s offensive roster is easily a Super Bowl caliber level roster. 
The biggest issue is the desire of the team, coaching/play calling - and the 2017 team destroys this year’s team in those categories.  

I laid it out.  You are overvaluing Goedert and undervaluing Ertz, while ignoring the depth from 2017 versus the invisibly players on this team.   Goedert is oft-injured and never does seem to be the guy that his talent would say he should be.  And when he gets hurt, the players behind him were nonexistent.  Meanwhile, in 2017 the backups thrived when Ertz missed a couple games.

This offense had the talent to be a Super Bowl contender, no doubt.  But the 2017 version was just better... almost across the board.  I concede LG and WR.  The rest... that all goes to 2017, and that includes the QB.  We'll have to agree to disagree. 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I feel bad for Ryans but that teams coaching staff is going to get picked to the bone. Hopefully he survives the coaching changes

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I feel bad for Ryans but that teams coaching staff is going to get picked to the bone. Hopefully he survives the coaching changes

Campbell's as well if Aaron Glenn takes a job. 

 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think that core has a ceiling of "meh" with potential for disaster if Slay falls off a cliff and Ringo isn't ready or gets exposed. He was a 4th rounder after all and fell for a reason. He's far from a sure thing.

This has to be the year they invest a first rounder in a DB. Unless there's some linemen there just overwhelmingly the best on the board. They've allowed the talent on this roster to get way too unbalanced. They have so many picks invested in the DL and hardly anything in the back 7. Picks-wise, their highest in the back 7 is a 3rd on Dean and 4th on Ringo. I wonder how many playoff teams don't have a single first round pick in their entire back 7.

They MUST use good picks on an LB and a CB.  There is no maybe about it.  Using a high pick on a DL next year is self defeating. 

4 minutes ago, judunno said:

Starting to think all of this dysfunctional stuff is coming from upstairs with the way the players have been going to bat for Siri. Problems are likely deeper than what we think and will likely persist if this is true. Hopefully Kelce spills the beans on his show post retirement. That Desai desperation move smells of the FO making the decision and Siri jumping on the sword. Starting to think that the game planning philosophy is dictated from upstairs too with a potential micromanagement disaster. If they come back with the same schemes next year we know where the problem is for sure.

The desai move feels like a FO especially after hearing sheil in their podcast say they’re reports that howie put Patricia on sirianni’s radar so he’d hire him this offseason and Patricia has an office very close to howie. There’s definitely a chance that howie say that desai wasn’t gonna be good enough against 3 of the top five offenses and offenses like that which they were going to face in the playoffs. Probably went to sirianni saying should go with patricia who’s more experienced as desai is showing he’s not capable enough. And it blew up in their face and got worse.  

If Eagles want Slowik, he's a hot candidate. Time to make their Sirianni move and throw their hat into the mix.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They didn't dump it in time either 

Seltzer is secretly angry at Fritz and blames him for the Phillies blowing a 3-2 lead 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

In fairness byard is slow and looks old 

Such a disappointment. I expected better but this is where Howie has to stop trading away picks for the has beens

1 minute ago, jamiller said:

They MUST use good picks on an LB and a CB.  There is no maybe about it.  Using a high pick on a DL next year is self defeating. 

They really do.  If there are top tiered DB’s or LB’s available in the 1st or 2nd rounds, they need to be the picks this year - without question.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

If Eagles want Slowik, he's a hot candidate. Time to make their Sirianni move and throw their hat into the mix.

I’m doubting slowik makes his decision before the end of the Texans season. But eagles needs to make their decision relatively soon not dick around like with pederson. Either fire sirianni or keep him 

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

If Eagles want Slowik, he's a hot candidate. Time to make their Sirianni move and throw their hat into the mix.

Things would have to be in motion already if we are hoping to land Slowik. He'd definitely be interested in taking that interview.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think that core has a ceiling of "meh" with potential for disaster if Slay falls off a cliff and Ringo isn't ready or gets exposed. He was a 4th rounder after all and fell for a reason. He's far from a sure thing.

This has to be the year they invest a first rounder in a DB. Unless there's some linemen there just overwhelmingly the best on the board. They've allowed the talent on this roster to get way too unbalanced. They have so many picks invested in the DL and hardly anything in the back 7. Picks-wise, their highest in the back 7 is a 3rd on Dean and 4th on Ringo. I wonder how many playoff teams don't have a single first round pick in their entire back 7.

They won't draft a corner high.  They will think they have Slay returning (Bradberry should be cut) and are really excited about young guys in Ricks, Ringo and don't forget Rodgers coming off suspension.  They will think they're fine there.  

Honestly, I don't mind IF they upgrade elsewhere.  The coaching sucks, so a new DC with those guys and upgrades at DE, LB and safety will help the group at corner.

The scary thing is they haven't invested 1st round picks on defense other than D line in:  Corner (22 years), LB (45 years), Safety (57 years).  Crazy.

Just now, ToastJenkins said:

Such a disappointment. I expected better but this is where Howie has to stop trading away picks for the has beens

I didn’t cause i listened to titans podcast. They were saying he looked like he lost a step and wasn’t very good this year. If you watch some of the titans all 22 in 2022 and compare it to this year it’s a massive difference in how he looks. He looks like he aged by 10 seasons   

4 minutes ago, jamiller said:

They MUST use good picks on an LB and a CB.  There is no maybe about it.  Using a high pick on a DL next year is self defeating. 

 

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

They really do.  If there are top tiered DB’s or LB’s available in the 1st or 2nd rounds, they need to be the picks this year - without question.

They would need to drastically change organizational draft philosophy:

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

They won't draft a corner high.  They will think they have Slay returning (Bradberry should be cut) and are really excited about young guys in Ricks, Ringo and don't forget Rodgers coming off suspension.  They will think they're fine there.  

Honestly, I don't mind IF they upgrade elsewhere.  The coaching sucks, so a new DC with those guys and upgrades at DE, LB and safety will help the group at corner.

The scary thing is they haven't invested 1st round picks on defense other than D line in:  Corner (22 years), LB (45 years), Safety (57 years).  Crazy.

 

7 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

And get a vet DC

Makes sense but who?

I would consider our former dline coach that went to baltimore. I want a dc versed in the michigan coaching tree