2 minutes ago, GoEagles614 said:

Well there’s over 100 defensive coordinators at the college level. There’s 32 at the pro level with 2-3 coaches under each one of them who may be qualified. There are several who weren’t working last season as a DC as well, with previous experience. 
 

So yes, Ron Rivera, Vic Fangio, and Wink Martindale should get consideration. We’re being lazy if that’s the extent of our candidates. Two lateral philosophical moves and a shakeup blitzer in Wink is all we can look forward to? Yikes. 

They need someone proven at the NFL level after what happened at both coordinator positions last season.

Schematically, I'm cautiously optimistic about Fangio. The copycat is rarely as good as the real thing, and I think Fangio is capable of adjusting.

But I think Fangio offers additional value to this Eagles team in particular. He's clearly the "head coach of the defense." Sirianni will not get in his way at all, and I honestly doubt Howie would most of the time either. So that means that Fangio can make decisions that Desai/Patricia/even Sirianni were afraid to make last year. Bradberry sucks? Bench him. Have nothing at LB? You have the pull to get something done.

Then there's the developmental piece. Carter, Davis, Smith, Sydney Brown, Ringo - these are all super athletes that Desai/Patricia didn't know what to do with in 2023. Add to that group the next draft class and you have a lot of clay for an experienced DC and his position coaches to mold. A guy with Fangio's experience is a great fit leading that development.

5 hours ago, ManuManu said:

It’s gonna be a miserable next 8 or so months in here, isn’t it?

Yeah, I might have to skip this board for a season. Not even for the team though. It's more that if they hire Fangio, the fans are going to be miserable almost no matter what happens. They could finish 13-4, end divisional round by a field goal, and the fans will be fuming because of BBDB defense. Kind of a recipe for disaster.

4 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Fangio is a WAY better coach than Martindale. Notice how the Ravens D got better AFTER he left. I would prefer a much more aggressive defense but it doesn't mean I want an inferior coach in the process.

It's actually about the same. Points against, the Ravens defense was 2nd, 3rd, 2nd when he was there until the last season when there was a dip to 19. Then since he's been gone, they've been 3rd and 1st.

With a coach that doesn't call plays or scheme. Just sayin'. Lol.

3 hours ago, GoEagles614 said:

Well there’s over 100 defensive coordinators at the college level. There’s 32 at the pro level with 2-3 coaches under each one of them who may be qualified. There are several who weren’t working last season as a DC as well, with previous experience. 
 

So yes, Ron Rivera, Vic Fangio, and Wink Martindale should get consideration. We’re being lazy if that’s the extent of our candidates. Two lateral philosophical moves and a shakeup blitzer in Wink is all we can look forward to? Yikes. 

No young coaches, I've said this a billion times. Lol. Also, calling Rivera lateral is...well, by lateral do you mean the same philosophy defensively? Or just in terms of aggressiveness?

Some college coaches might make sense for consideration, but if you pick another stinker you're right back to where you were before. Experience is important I think, particularly for this season.

I don't know how people are criticizing the Fangio move. In case you forgot, we had some of his input down the stretch last season. He was in the building!

How soon we forget what a juggernaut our defense was against that Chiefs offense.

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's actually about the same. Points against, the Ravens defense was 2nd, 3rd, 2nd when he was there until the last season when there was a dip to 19. Then since he's been gone, they've been 3rd and 1st.

With a coach that doesn't call plays or scheme. Just sayin'. Lol.

You prove my point for me. It went from 19 when Martindale left, to top 3 both years after. You can't just pay attention to the good years and ignore the year before he left. So no it is not the same in Baltimore and Martindale was a disaster with the Giants too. The last three years Martindale defeneses have been 19, 18, and 26 overall.

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I don't know how people are criticizing the Fangio move. In case you forgot, we had some of his input down the stretch last season. He was in the building!

How soon we forget what a juggernaut our defense was against that Chiefs offense.

That's because Gannon was too busy interviewing with Arizona when he should have been studying tape of KC's motion in the red zone. Nice attempt at being funny though, I'd give it a 1/10.

7 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yeah the announcement of his departure from the Dolphins also included how he was expected to be the Eagles DC.  No tampering there 

Fangio and Miami could have talked behind the scenes and agreed he can contact the Birds if he was interested in their opening since they both agreed to split. I could be wrong, but I think tampering charges would only apply if Miami pressed the issue. If they didn’t care, then it’s no harm no foul. 

Miami were number 1 on sacks and qb hits weren’t they? 

52 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Yeah, I might have to skip this board for a season. Not even for the team though. It's more that if they hire Fangio, the fans are going to be miserable almost no matter what happens. They could finish 13-4, end divisional round by a field goal, and the fans will be fuming because of BBDB defense. Kind of a recipe for disaster.

Disagree. Do you really believe that fans (I’m on record of not being a fan of the Fangio D) would be miserable if the results of his philosophy are good?! Let’s assume he gets the defense back to the level of 2022 with better all around statistics (especially points against / red zone). I don’t think many people would feel miserable under those circumstances. Even if I or others think a different philosophy would be better, it doesn’t mean we wouldn’t accept a functional Fangio system. The days of the dominant defenses are gone and they won’t be coming back as long as the NFL mandate is to favor offenses.

 

I’m skeptical of the way this BBDB philosophy has faired lately. I’d rather have a more aggressive approach, but I surely wouldn’t be upset if we had an average (better yet above average) defense if Fangio could elevate them. There is no way but UP defensively after this year’s disaster, so the bar isn’t really very high to begin with. 

2 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

Disagree. Do you really believe that fans (I’m on record of not being a fan of the Fangio D) would be miserable if the results of his philosophy are good?! Let’s assume he gets the defense back to the level of 2022 with better all around statistics (especially points against / red zone). I don’t think many people would feel miserable under those circumstances. Even if I or others think a different philosophy would be better, it doesn’t mean we wouldn’t accept a functional Fangio system. The days of the dominant defenses are gone and they won’t be coming back as long as the NFL mandate is to favor offenses.

 

I’m skeptical of the way this BBDB philosophy has faired lately. I’d rather have a more aggressive approach, but I surely wouldn’t be upset if we had an average (better yet above average) defense if Fangio could elevate them. There is no way but UP defensively after this year’s disaster, so the bar isn’t really very high to begin with. 

No, I don't think they'll feel that way if the results are good, it's that I think the version of good that will be required for them to be happy with it is significantly higher than with other schemes that they feel are less passive and unenjoyable. 

2 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

No, I don't think they'll feel that way if the results are good, it's that I think the version of good that will be required for them to be happy with it is significantly higher than with other schemes that they feel are less passive and unenjoyable. 

Like I said, the bar isn’t very high to begin with after the disaster we witnessed. If passive and unenjoyable means they stop offenses from scoring at will and also completing 3rd and longs at a high rate, then that would be a good start. I like defensive football, but not to the extent that they are on the field forever. 

1 minute ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

Like I said, the bar isn’t very high to begin with after the disaster we witnessed. If passive and unenjoyable means they stop offenses from scoring at will and also completing 3rd and longs at a high rate, then that would be a good start. I like defensive football, but not to the extent that they are on the field forever. 

The bar is always astronomical.   One loss with the D not playing well will be pages of told you so, one and done in the playoffs, Sirianni can't coach, should of hired whatever DC that had a good game that week...

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

That's because Gannon was too busy interviewing with Arizona when he should have been studying tape of KC's motion in the red zone. Nice attempt at being funny though, I'd give it a 1/10.

Too true. Gannon was focused on Arizona that game. 

Help me out though, was it Gannon or a different DC that routinely got manhandled by good QBs? 

And, for what it's worth, I wasn't trying to be funny.

Edit: Because this will probably go over your head, I'm screwing with you.

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Too true. Gannon was focused on Arizona that game. 

Help me out though, was it Gannon or a different DC that routinely got manhandled by good QBs? 

And, for what it's worth, I wasn't trying to be funny.

I think if we are honest,  most DCs get manhandled by good QBs.  It's getting manhandled by the likes of Baker Mayfield, Mac Jones, Tyrod Taylor, etc that is concerning.

4 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

Disagree. Do you really believe that fans (I’m on record of not being a fan of the Fangio D) would be miserable if the results of his philosophy are good?! Let’s assume he gets the defense back to the level of 2022 with better all around statistics (especially points against / red zone). I don’t think many people would feel miserable under those circumstances. Even if I or others think a different philosophy would be better, it doesn’t mean we wouldn’t accept a functional Fangio system. The days of the dominant defenses are gone and they won’t be coming back as long as the NFL mandate is to favor offenses.

I think we as fans just want to see a defense that plays tough and at least tries to do things to stem the bleeding. Last year there was none of that. We continually saw soft coverage schemes which enabled the QB to get the ball out fast and negate our pass rush. And the pass rush wasn't good enough and they didn't do enough to get pressure and it was just all very very frustrating to watch. That is in part down to the lack of talent on this defense and that needs to be addressed but just try different things and try to put players in positions to excel.

10 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

I think if we are honest,  most DCs get manhandled by good QBs.  It's getting manhandled by the likes of Baker Mayfield, Mac Jones, Tyrod Taylor, etc that is concerning.

Absolutely. I agree. I was being an ass.

The bottom line is, we ran a Fangio D in the SB that got cooked. Okay, Gannon was focused on other things. Sure. We ran a Fangio D this season and it was an epic failure. Fangio had his struggles in Miami with more talent overall. The players openly criticized him/their role.

I think it's fair to question the hire, no?

27 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

The bar is always astronomical.   One loss with the D not playing well will be pages of told you so, one and done in the playoffs, Sirianni can't coach, should of hired whatever DC that had a good game that week...

Idk, can’t speak for others, but for me it’s not astronomical. The DC next year can’t be any worse than what we just witnessed. Or can he?!🤔

I want to see a defense that can stop the opposition and get off the field on a consistent basis (realistically speaking, not expecting domination). Have the players in the right position and for god’s sake be able to tackle. Getting more turnovers would be nice too. I don’t think that’s too much to ask of a functional defense. Anything above that is just topping on the cake.

4 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Absolutely. I agree. I was being an ass.

The bottom line is, we ran a Fangio D in the SB that got cooked. Okay, Gannon was focused on other things. Sure. We ran a Fangio D this season and it was an epic failure. Fangio had his struggles in Miami with more talent overall. The players openly criticized him/their role.

I think it's fair to question the hire, no?

Why do you say we ran a Fangio defense in the Super Bowl?

7 hours ago, GoEagles614 said:

How about this. They’re at ends it’ll of the spectrum let’s grab someone in between. 

Fallacy of the middle

Buy into a scheme completely and be good at it. Whatever that scheme is

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Why do you say we ran a Fangio defense in the Super Bowl?

"Fangio" defense. 

He was brought in for more than just waving pom poms, yeah?

1 hour ago, rrfierce said:

Miami were number 1 on sacks and qb hits weren’t they? 

They were 3rd and tied for 1st respectively, according to Pro Football Reference

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/opp.htm

18 minutes ago, Swoop said:

"Fangio" defense. 

He was brought in for more than just waving pom poms, yeah?

He was brought in as a consultant to scout the offense. I’m sure Gannon picked his brain, but it’s not like he rolled in and designed the game plan for the defense. 

38 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Absolutely. I agree. I was being an ass.

The bottom line is, we ran a Fangio D in the SB that got cooked. Okay, Gannon was focused on other things. Sure. We ran a Fangio D this season and it was an epic failure. Fangio had his struggles in Miami with more talent overall. The players openly criticized him/their role.

I think it's fair to question the hire, no?

Yes.  I'd rather have another DC, but I think the Eagles are in over-correction mode and they really love Fangio.  I'll hope for the best as I always do.  The corresponding issue to the DC is the talent and depth.  We know the back 7 needs at least 5-6 better players, but DE depth is a big issue as well.  Sweat and Reddick were exhausted by mid-season.  They played way too much.