7 minutes ago, judunno said:

Lamar's supporting cast was fine. Hurts supporting cast good as well (arguably better than the 9ers). They'll both be sitting at home watching a guy that almost didn't get drafted in the Superbowl.

The way the ravens offense is constructed reminds me of the Carolina Panthers in 2015. I like zay flowers but the rest of those WRs are either overrated (obj) or former 1st round busts like Agholor and Bateman.  Similar running game with Lamar and Edwards/mitchell (before his injury) to cam and Stewart. Really good tight ends 

3 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Jordyn Brooks is possibly my favorite out of them all. White took a tumble in the coverage dept, Fangio probably will want linebackers and safeties that excel in coverage. 

Yep, brain farted and forgot him.

Just now, paco said:

Right.  His cast is fine.  Purdy is surrounded by All Pros and All Stars.  That's the point several of us are making when Purdy is being showered with praise.  

That's the nature of the QB position. You've watched football long enough to know that the QB gets more credit than they usually deserve and more blame than they usually deserve when things go awry. We're seeing nothing new here. Purdy is doing the things that Hurts did last year. We've seen this up close and personal. The only major difference is the whole Mr. Irrelevant thing IMO.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The way the ravens offense is constructed reminds me of the Carolina Panthers in 2015. I like zay flowers but the rest of those WRs are either overrated (obj) or former 1st round busts like Agholor and Bateman.  Similar running game with Lamar and Edwards/mitchell (before his injury) to cam and Stewart. Really good tight ends 

The one thing I noticed in that game vs the QBs that won. The winners extended drives with their legs constantly. For whatever reason in short yardage the Ravens and Lamar kept taking the shots down field instead of moving the chains. Exactly like the Eagles were doing for most of the year. I saw Purdy and Mahomes running and moving the chains. Just weird ha. Playoff football is just different and you see the way Mahomes just goes into Superman mode all of a sudden and looks like he's running a 4.4 40. Purdy looked fast as hell too running away from people. I don't know if it's the adrenaline or what. There were a few times where the QBs were dead and they just found ways to get away and make plays. Crazy.

Just now, judunno said:

The one thing I noticed in that game vs the QBs that won. The winners extended drives with their legs constantly. For whatever reason in short yardage the Ravens and Lamar kept taking the shots down field instead of moving the chains. Exactly like the Eagles were doing for most of the year. I saw Purdy and Mahomes running and moving the chains. Just weird ha. Playoff football is just different and you see the way Mahomes just goes into Superman mode all of a sudden and looks like he's running a 4.4 40. Purdy looked fast as hell too running away from people. I don't know if it's the adrenaline or what. There were a few times where the QBs were dead and they just found ways to get away and make plays. Crazy.

There was a run in that game by Lamar and it looked like he planted his foot and his knee kind of buckled when he did it. I would be surprised if his knee wasn’t 100% after that run. I’m not gonna make any excuses, cause he was awful yesterday. 

The thing about Mahomes is, I’m not sure there’s a quarterback close to him right now. Like the second best quarterback, you can make the cases either Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar, Jalen hurts, or whomever you wanna make the case for. But I don’t think any of them are close to him. Like the start of mahomes career might actually be better than Tom Brady.  Tom Brady at the start of his career was good, but they had an excellent defense that helped him. This is the first year I could say the Chiefs legitimately had a top five defense to help Mahomes. So there’s a chance that Patrick Mahomes catches Tom Brady on this current pace he’s on. 

 

If I'm Siri, I'm making Moore sit down and watch film of 20 years of AR. Then Shanahan.

Not to imitate them, but to steal their best ideas.

The one thing about AR, he went from a big play offense to a ball control offense with the same QB in two years, and he's back in the SB.

The reason teams try for big plays, and it killed the Ravens, is they don't have confidence they can execute 15 play drives - but that's personnel to some extent, but mostly coaching, teaching players fundamentals, from lining up properly to running precise 10-15 yard routes, to drawing up plays to get targets open quickly to having a big back who can grind out yards. Swift is more talented than Pacheco, but not nearly as tough an inside runner.

Part of execution is practice, part is getting smart players who don't make dumb mistakes on a regular basis.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh I’ve felt all year it’s been a pretty poor year of football. Been a lot of injuries and frankly just not as good as previous years in terms of play. 

The play and the over officiating and lack of consistency with officiating as well. Just a poor product. 

5 minutes ago, judunno said:

The one thing I noticed in that game vs the QBs that won. The winners extended drives with their legs constantly. For whatever reason in short yardage the Ravens and Lamar kept taking the shots down field instead of moving the chains. Exactly like the Eagles were doing for most of the year. I saw Purdy and Mahomes running and moving the chains. Just weird ha. Playoff football is just different and you see the way Mahomes just goes into Superman mode all of a sudden and looks like he's running a 4.4 40. Purdy looked fast as hell too running away from people. I don't know if it's the adrenaline or what. There were a few times where the QBs were dead and they just found ways to get away and make plays. Crazy.

It was frustrating watching Lamar turn down relatively open running lanes on 3rd down and throw the ball downfield.  A focus on explosive plays rather than matriculating the ball down the field... a finer balance was needed to that approach.

31 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The yips are a very specific thing. That's a rare mental block that is a psychological condition. "Choking" is so abirtrary and abstract. Most people can't even agree on who choked and why. So many things go into it. Sometimes players just face great defenses. Sometimes players have their teammates let them down. Sometimes a QB's line may make a mistake and cause the QB to make a mistake because they didn't do their job. People will say Lamar Jackson choked yesterday. Did he? Or did the Chiefs defense just play great. Or did his coaching not put him in position to succeed.

Peyton Manning was labeled as an all time choker, then in 2006 he had that epic historic comeback against the team that always gave him fits in the AFC Championship, then went on to win the Super Bowl. You play enough playoff moments, you're going to have good and bad. Frankly, I don't even like to use the term choker when it comes to players that often because of that. We like to use it because it will justify the narratives of fans. Haters will throw the term choker around because it affirms their narrative for example. But so much goes into it.

There are of course rare circumstances where like a kicker or something who hits field goals at an 88% clip will have a knack for missing 35 yarders in the clutch or something. But otherwise, I think it's all circumstantial. There's no greater example of this than Foles. Foles made the playoffs a few times. Had one season where you couldn't have been more clutch. 2017 playoff Foles might be the greatest clutch performance by an NFL QB ever. Dude was a backup and out dueled Brady on the biggest stage. If it was a skill he would've repeated it. In his other playoff years he was very meh.

Lamar absolutely choked. He couldn't hit anything with any accuracy yesterday. The moment seemed too big for him.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

There was a run in that game by Lamar and it looked like he planted his foot and his knee kind of buckled when he did it. I would be surprised if his knee wasn’t 100% after that run. I’m not gonna make any excuses, cause he was awful yesterday. 

The thing about Mahomes is, I’m not sure there’s a quarterback close to him right now. Like the second best quarterback, you can make the cases either Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, Lamar, Jalen hurts, or whomever you wanna make the case for. But I don’t think any of them are close to him. Like the start of mahomes career might actually be better than Tom Brady.  Tom Brady at the start of his career was good, but they had an excellent defense that helped him. This is the first year I could say the Chiefs legitimately had a top five defense to help Mahomes. So there’s a chance that Patrick Mahomes catches Tom Brady on this current pace he’s on. 

Manning and Brady started their careers in a different era compared to Mahomes.

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

It was frustrating watching Lamar turn down relatively open running lanes on 3rd down and throw the ball downfield.  A focus on explosive plays rather than matriculating the ball down the field... a finer balance was needed to that approach.

I think the ravens and Lamar were trying to prove he could be a good enough passer to win that game.. The issue with Lamar is in 4 of 6 playoff games he’s been bad as a passer. At some point in time you can’t be in the 50% completion as a passer and consistently win in the playoffs. He’s been in 40-50s 4 of his 6 playoff games.

1 minute ago, twistr said:

Lamar absolutely choked. He couldn't hit anything with any accuracy yesterday. The moment seemed too big for him.

You would think he would use his legs in that situation but he just did the whole I'm going to sit in the pocket for two hours thing and see if anything opens up down field.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Manning and Brady started their careers in a different era compared to Mahomes.

This is true. It was an era where the DBs could abuse WRs and take their heads off without repercussion. I remember watching some of those Colts playoff game where they almost physically undressed Marvin Harrison Sr. I think a few years after that they started emphasizing the 5 yard contact rule more.

Just now, judunno said:

You would think he would use his legs in that situation but he just did the whole I'm going to sit in the pocket for two hours thing and see if anything opens up down field.

Yeah, I was yelling at my screen, RUN! It's not even my team and I was getting angry because it was so evident. It's like he was told to not run under any circumstances.

Just now, twistr said:

Yeah, I was yelling at my screen, RUN! It's not even my team and I was getting angry because it was so evident. It's like he was told to not run under any circumstances.

Yeah... felt like McNabb when he started staying in the pocket out of spite for the media calling him a running QB.

2 minutes ago, judunno said:

This is true. It was an era where the DBs could abuse WRs and take their heads off without repercussion. I remember watching some of those Colts playoff game where they almost physically undressed Marvin Harrison Sr. I think a few years after that they started emphasizing the 5 yard contact rule more.

 

It was immediately after that AFC Championship Game they started to.  

The Lions face a similar dilemma to the 2016 Falcons. Everyone with the Falcons felt like Shanahan was more responsible getting the Falcons to the Super Bowl that season. But they couldn't fire Quinn to keep Shanahan ("because society says you can't") since they just made a Super Bowl. Yet 5 years later everyone said "The Falcons kept the wrong coach." The Lions I have a feeling are in the same boat. 5 years from now I would not be shocked if the Lions didn't come close to being the same team if they lose Ben Johnson and everyone will say they kept the wrong coach.

Which makes me wonder. As the league continues to evolve and become more and more obsessed with offense, is some team going to set the trend where they fire a head coach in order to just keep their beloved coordinator? Could the Eagles be the first team?

If the Eagles get back to the Super Bowl next season and Moore turns the Eagles offense into the best offense in the NFL and say Hurts wins an MVP, would Lurie have the balls to ditch Sirianni to keep Moore to prevent a repeat of what happened in 2023 all over again? Or will no team ever have the balls to deal with the optics of making such a move, even if it may be the smart thing to do?

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

The Lions face a similar dilemma to the 2016 Falcons. Every with the Falcons felt like Shanahan was more responsible getting the Falcons to the Super Bowl that season. But they couldn't fire Quinn to keep Shanahan ("because society says you can't") since they just made a Super Bowl. Yet 5 years later everyone said "The Falcons kept the wrong coach." The Lions I have a feeling are in the same boat. 5 years from now I would not be shocked if the Lions didn't come close to being the same team if they lose Ben Johnson and everyone will say they kept the wrong coach.

Which makes me wonder. As the league continues to evolve and become more and more obsessed with offense, is some team going to set the trend where they fire a head coach in order to just keep their beloved coordinator? Could the Eagles be the first team?

If the Eagles get back to the Super Bowl next season and Moore turns the Eagles offense into the best offense in the NFL and say Hurts wins an MVP, would Lurie have the balls to ditch Sirianni to keep Moore to prevent a repeat of what happened in 2023 all over again? Or will no team ever have the balls to deal with the optics of making such a move, even if it may be the smart thing to do?

Wonder why every coordinator wants a HC job. Is it the money?

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think the ravens and Lamar were trying to prove he could be a good enough passer to win that game.. The issue with Lamar is in 4 of 6 playoff games he’s been bad as a passer. At some point in time you can’t be in the 50% completion as a passer and consistently win in the playoffs. He’s been in 40-50s 4 of his 6 playoff games.

It's the low % passes IMO. They seemed to be big play hunting far too much. 

1 hour ago, judunno said:

Yeah. It's like they want these dudes to hate each other. They're freaking blood brothers lol. It's about "family" 

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Manning and Brady started their careers in a different era.

Yeah, but I would argue Tom Brady also had better defenses than the Chiefs did up until this year to start his career. Not taking anything away from Tom Brady, but those defenses helped him far more than the Chiefs defenses did before 2023

I also save the ravens for whatever reason just completely abandon the running game. They were the number one rushing team in the league. Some of that is Lamar Jackson. But they’re running backs only had six carries. Gus Edwards only had three carries and he had 6.7 yards per carry. You were never out of that game to not run the football more with Gus Edwards. If Lamar was passing well and on point, then I could understand it. But he never was and you were never out of that game as much to just completely not do it more

4 minutes ago, judunno said:

It's the low % passes IMO. They seemed to be big play hunting far too much. 

To be honest, I thought Buffalo started doing that in the second half against the Chiefs too. Like you didn’t need to take big shots because you were consistently moving the ball in the first half not doing that. And then Josh Allen and the bills decided they were just gonna try to beat you downfield.