7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

If the Eagles get back to the Super Bowl next season and Moore turns the Eagles offense into the best offense in the NFL and say Hurts wins an MVP, would Lurie have the balls to ditch Sirianni to keep Moore to prevent a repeat of what happened in 2023 all over again? Or will no team ever have the balls to deal with the optics of making such a move, even if it may be the smart thing to do?

You'd better believe it!  LOTS of NFL franchises fire the head coach after two Super Bowl appearances in 3 years.  

 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah, but I would argue Tom Brady also had better defenses than the Chiefs did up until this year to start his career. Not taking anything away from Tom Brady, but those defenses helped him far more than the Chiefs defenses did before 2023.

The W-L numbers are a completely legit comparison - I don't think Brady hit his stride in terms of passing statistics until the rule changes that fostered the spread offense piled up.   

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To be honest, I thought Buffalo started doing that in the second half against the Chiefs too. Like you didn’t need to take big shots because you were consistently moving the ball in the first half not doing that. And then Josh Allen and the bills decided they were just gonna try to beat you downfield. 

For sure. That's also a big difference. Winning teams know when and when not to take shots. Winning playoff football is usually a little more conservative. Inexperienced teams far too often go for the knock out shots. Rare that you're going to blow someone off the field in the playoffs especially the deeper you go. That's when the power run game becomes important and turnover free football of course.

5 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The W-L numbers are a completely legit comparison - I don't think Brady hit his stride in terms of passing statistics until the rule changes that fostered the spread offense piled up.   

I don’t disagree on the statistical point. The wins and losses I think it’s actually more impressive by Mahomes simply because I don’t think he’s had a really good defense until this year. That first Super Bowl, Tom Brady won was a masterpiece by Bill Belichick and that defense to hold one of the best offenses in NFL history in the Rams to 17 points.

what is scary with Mahomes is that now they actually have a good defense which should be sustainable based off their youth. And if they add another legitimate wide receiver to rice and Kelce next year, then they probably are going to be the favorites to win the Super Bowl.

 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree on the statistical point. The wins and losses I think it’s actually more impressive by Mahomes simply because I don’t think he’s had a really good defense until this year. That first Super Bowl, Tom Brady won was a masterpiece by Bill Belichick and that defense to hold one of the best offenses in NFL history in the Rams to 17 points.

what is scary with Mahomes is that now they actually have a good defense which should be sustainable based off their youth. And if they had another legitimate wide receiver to rice and Kelce next year, then they probably are going to be the favorites to win the Super Bowl.

 

What's crazy is in this era having a good defense doesn't really guarantee much. We just saw the two best defenses get owned this weekend. We saw last year a defense that led the league in sacks do nothing in the Superbowl. Seems like you can get by if you have an high powered offense but you just can't be bottom of the league on D. I think it's pretty safe to say that offense wins Championships now.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t disagree on the statistical point. The wins and losses I think it’s actually more impressive by Mahomes simply because I don’t think he’s had a really good defense until this year. That first Super Bowl, Tom Brady won was a masterpiece by Bill Belichick and that defense to hold one of the best offenses in NFL history in the Rams to 17 points.

what is scary with Mahomes is that now they actually have a good defense which should be sustainable based off their youth. And if they had another legitimate wide receiver to rice and Kelce next year, then they probably are going to be the favorites to win the Super Bowl.

 

I think a good QB has more agency to win games individually nowadays than in 2000, as in reality there are much fewer good defenses and he can expect to have the ball in his hands 60%+. 

7 minutes ago, judunno said:

For sure. That's also a big difference. Winning teams know when and when not to take shots. Winning playoff football is usually a little more conservative. Inexperienced teams far too often go for the knock out shots. Rare that you're going to blow someone off the field in the playoffs especially the deeper you go. That's when the power run game becomes important and turnover free football of course.

Yeah it’s why when the Eagles kept saying we need more big plays, I rolled my eyes. Because in the playoffs, you really don’t wanna have to just rely on big place. You want to have a sustainable offense that can methodically move the ball and throw in some big plays occasionally. The reason why the 2022 Eagles offense with hurts was so great was because they could hit you with a big plY, but also be methodical enough to have a 12 to 15 Play drive and take eight minutes off the clock. This year they weren’t nearly as good at it for multitude of reasons (penalties, not consistent running game, looking for big plays and got worse at blitz pickup (already not great)) but the biggest was turnover issue. in order to sustain drives like that you can’t be a high turnover team or Make mistakes. Far too often we’d do that 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah it’s why when the Eagles kept saying we need more big plays, I rolled my eyes. Because in the playoffs, you really don’t wanna have to just rely on big place. You want to have a sustainable offense that can methodically move the ball and throw in some big plays occasionally. The reason why the 2022 Eagles offense with hurts was so great was because they could hit you with a big plY, but also be methodical enough to have a 12 to 15 Play drive and take eight minutes off the clock. This year they weren’t nearly as good at it for multitude of reasons (penalties, not consistent running game, looking for big plays and got worse at blitz pickup (already not great)) but the biggest was turnover issue. in order to sustain drives like that you can’t be a high turnover team or Make mistakes. Far too often we’d do that 

Agreed. The more plays you have the more likely there will be a turnover or mistake is usually the thinking. That's when the discipline comes into play. The Eagles lacked discipline and focus. I think the mantra for the offense was make a big play and that in itself led to crucial mistakes.

5 minutes ago, judunno said:

What's crazy is in this era having a good defense doesn't really guarantee much. We just saw the two best defenses get owned this weekend. We saw last year a defense that led the league in sacks do nothing in the Superbowl. Seems like you can get by if you have an high powered offense but you just can't be bottom of the league on D. I think it's pretty safe to say that offense wins Championships now.

I agree with offense wins championships now. But the chiefs defense is a top 5 unit and really won that game against the ravens. The chiefs got 17 points in the first half of the game then nothing the second half and had half their possessions went 3 and out. Imo the chiefs defense creating 3 turnovers was the difference. Frankly ravens defense should be irritated at themselves for dumb penalties that continued drives that led to points but also that the ravens offense was so bad cause that was a heck of a performance in the second half by the ravens defense.  

1 hour ago, shlo said:

Imagine that. Athletes are people. 

I don't really find Kelce's behavior annoying at all. I don't find the Taylor Swift coverage annoying. What I do find annoying is the constant complaining about them. Just get over it. When they cut to Taylor Swift, it doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the game AT ALL. I just don't care. Honestly, Tony Romo is 100x more annoying than the Taylor Swift coverage. He does impact my enjoyment of games.

Bunch of Karens on this board all weekend that need to speak to the manager 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Bunch of Karens on this board all weekend that need to speak to the manager 

I don't think I noticed Jason Kelce during the game at all, and TS only barely.  Saw Travis doing plenty of jawing during the game with NO drops.  I never watch the postgame splendor for other teams, as that is worse than a season full of TS cameos.  

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I agree with offense wins championships now. But the chiefs defense is a top 5 unit and really won that game against the ravens. The chiefs got 17 points in the first half of the game then nothing the second half and had half their possessions went 3 and out. Imo the chiefs defense creating 3 turnovers was the difference. Frankly ravens defense should be irritated at themselves for dumb penalties that continued drives that led to points but also that the ravens offense was so bad cause that was a heck of a performance in the second half by the ravens defense.  

KC's offense started on fire though. They went right through that Ravens defense and put the early pressure on Lamar and the Ravens offense. I suppose it was complimentary football in that win. With that said I worry about the bend but don't break philosophy in playoff football. As you see KC and the 9ers kindly would take what teams give them and do it with efficiency provided that the receivers aren't putting the ball on the ground.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

I agree the NFL overall was lower quality this year. Just about every fanbase blames the refs for something, but when you watch other teams as an objective viewer there is bad officiating in every game. Either they call a nit picking flag in a key situation that gives a team an advantage, or they miss a completely obvious call. Also, they give crybaby Mahomes whatever he wants. 

The league needs to crack down on refs caving to players and coaches. Every WR throws a mini tantrum calling for a flag for every incompletion. And they need to "let em play" in more situations.

Also execution around the league is sloppy. The reduced preseason makes the first couple games sloppy for a lot of teams. It seems like accountability for mistakes is down. Apart from Taylor Swift there's also too much of an entertainment element. The announcers don't break down plays as much, they will talk about something trivial, or talk about other sports. I don't care about lengthy commentary about the baseball world series when I'm watching a football game (looking at you Joe Buck). 

This isn't talked about enough. The TV production of an NFL game is more focused on entertainment then it is the game itself. I can't find a clip but if you ever watch All-Madden, there's a part where Troy Aikman talks about the privilege of having his entire career narrated by John Madden. I thought that was a really cool way of looking at things but it also made me realize how good we used to have it. And not just John Madden but almost anyone pre-2015? It was a different NFL, and a different product we watched on TV. Maybe it's just part of growing up and realizing your fandom is different from when we were younger but nothing about the game feels like it used to when you sit down to watch on Sundays anymore. 

I can't believe this is 30 years ago now but watch this broadcast of Charlie Garners debut against the 49ers. It's so refreshing to watch an old broadcast. 

 

Or here is the Eagles Lions snow game from 20 years ago..sheesh time is just flying.

 

 

11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah it’s why when the Eagles kept saying we need more big plays, I rolled my eyes. Because in the playoffs, you really don’t wanna have to just rely on big place. You want to have a sustainable offense that can methodically move the ball and throw in some big plays occasionally. The reason why the 2022 Eagles offense with hurts was so great was because they could hit you with a big plY, but also be methodical enough to have a 12 to 15 Play drive and take eight minutes off the clock. This year they weren’t nearly as good at it for multitude of reasons (penalties, not consistent running game, looking for big plays and got worse at blitz pickup (already not great)) but the biggest was turnover issue. in order to sustain drives like that you can’t be a high turnover team or Make mistakes. Far too often we’d do that 

I think they were meaning well when they said that but didn't have the brain power to actually put it into practice. At that point, a lot of our drives were incredibly grindy and not sustainable to be consistent on offense. You're not going to succeed if you need 15 plays every drive to score. I think their analysis of how to actually accomplish that was...poor.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I don't think I noticed Jason Kelce during the game at all, and TS only barely.  Saw Travis doing plenty of jawing during the game with NO drops.  I never watch the postgame splendor for other teams, as that is worse than a season full of TS cameos.  

If you plan to watch the Superbowl there will be an abundance of those TS cameos and at least one swag surf :(

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

This isn't talked about enough. The TV production of an NFL game is more focused on entertainment then it is the game itself. I can't find a clip but if you ever watch All-Madden, there's a part where Troy Aikman talks about the privilege of having his entire career narrated by John Madden. I thought that was a really cool way of looking at things but it also made me realize how good we used to have it. And not just John Madden but almost anyone pre-2015? It was a different NFL, and a different product we watched on TV. Maybe it's just part of growing up and realizing your fandom is different from when we were younger but nothing about the game feels like it used to when you sit down to watch on Sundays anymore. 

I can't believe this is 30 years ago now but watch this broadcast of Charlie Garners debut against the 49ers. It's so refreshing to watch an old broadcast. 

 

Or here is the Eagles Lions snow game from 20 years ago..sheesh time is just flying.

 

 

When Prime had good toes :(

5 minutes ago, bitbased said:

I think they were meaning well when they said that but didn't have the brain power to actually put it into practice. At that point, a lot of our drives were incredibly grindy and not sustainable to be consistent on offense. You're not going to succeed if you need 15 plays every drive to score. I think their analysis of how to actually accomplish that was...poor.

I look at it this week, in 2022 and 2017 the Eagles could beat you in a multitude of ways. They would run the ball down your throat, if that was how they were gonna have to beat you. Or they beat you a big plays. Or they consist long drives. This year they couldn’t do any of those consistently. For a multitude of reasons. After that Bucs game, the Eagles really never grounded out another game. Like they wanted to prove hurts was a legit passer and their passing game could beat you. It’s like the time we heard the story about Lurie after we won in Buffalo running the ball down the bills throat, but he wasn’t happy because they didn’t throw the ball. It felt very similar. 

also, in this I like DeAndre Swift but I don’t think he’s the running back that’s going to be maximized with this line. I think they need a guy who’s tougher between the tackles. Swift was good at that early in the year. Was surprising to me but as the season went on, he was not nearly as good. Some of it his fault some of it not.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I look at it this week, in 2022 and 2017 the Eagles could beat you in a multitude of ways. They would run the ball down your throat, if that was how they were gonna have to beat you. Or they beat you a big plays. Or they consist long drives. This year they couldn’t do any of those consistently. For a multitude of reasons. After that bucks game, the Eagles really never grounded out another game. It’s like the time we heard the story about Lurie after we won in Buffalo running the ball down the bills throat, but he wasn’t happy because they didn’t throw the ball. It felt very similar. 

also, in this I like DeAndre Swift but I don’t think he’s the running back that’s going to be maximized with this line. I think they need a guy who’s tougher between the tackles. Swift was good at that early in the year. Was surprising to me but as the season went on, he was not nearly as good. Some of it his fault some of it not.

Down the stretch he definitely seemed to drop off but they literally never let him get in a groove either by refusing to run the ball and the offensive scheme just getting figured out so the plays were getting blown up constantly. If they weren't going to run it often I would've liked to see them get him involved in the passing game to at least take some heat off the OL. For some weird reason we decided that Gainwell was our passing down back again.

20 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I agree with offense wins championships now. But the chiefs defense is a top 5 unit and really won that game against the ravens. The chiefs got 17 points in the first half of the game then nothing the second half and had half their possessions went 3 and out. Imo the chiefs defense creating 3 turnovers was the difference. Frankly ravens defense should be irritated at themselves for dumb penalties that continued drives that led to points but also that the ravens offense was so bad cause that was a heck of a performance in the second half by the ravens defense.  

Defense still matters, but in a different manner. You can't shut down top offenses, but you can force them into mistakes, turn the ball over or have to punt. The "bend don't break" works better against weaker offenses that'll shoot themselves in the foot, against good QBs you have to balance stopping big plays on offense with making big plays on defense.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I look at it this week, in 2022 and 2017 the Eagles could beat you in a multitude of ways. They would run the ball down your throat, if that was how they were gonna have to beat you. Or they beat you a big plays. Or they consist long drives. This year they couldn’t do any of those consistently. For a multitude of reasons. After that Bucs game, the Eagles really never grounded out another game. Like they wanted to prove hurts was a legit passer and their passing game could beat you. It’s like the time we heard the story about Lurie after we won in Buffalo running the ball down the bills throat, but he wasn’t happy because they didn’t throw the ball. It felt very similar. 

also, in this I like DeAndre Swift but I don’t think he’s the running back that’s going to be maximized with this line. I think they need a guy who’s tougher between the tackles. Swift was good at that early in the year. Was surprising to me but as the season went on, he was not nearly as good. Some of it his fault some of it not.

Once teams figured out that Hurts couldn't or wouldn't run they started ignoring him and focusing on the backs. That element is what was giving Swift the big truck holes early on. Eagles never adjusted their run concepts after that it seems. I like Swift as a change of pass back/receiver coming out of the backfield. We need a punishing power back to complement. Would be cool if they could get there hands on Trey Benson, Audric Estime, or Braelon Allen. Power backs with breakaway speed.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Defense still matters, but in a different manner. You can't shut down top offenses, but you can force them into mistakes, turn the ball over or have to punt. The "bend don't break" works better against weaker offenses that'll shoot themselves in the foot, against good QBs you have to balance stopping big plays on offense with making big plays on defense.

Playoff QBs obliterate bend but don't break.

12 minutes ago, judunno said:

If you plan to watch the Superbowl there will be an abundance of those TS cameos and at least one swag surf 😞

Apparently there is a schedule conflict on her part and she won't make it ..or wont make it for entire game. But some airlines are taking advantage 
 

 

Watching these games, the Eagles are as far off as we think (at least offensively). on offense i think they’re there. They probably need a different type of running back, but if kelce returns then it comes down to hurts. if hurts can be more like 2022 they have as much talent as any of the teams in the playoff field. Frankly, I think Moore is going to maximize smith, goedert and aj brown more with more motion and under center in the offense

defensively is where they have a personnel problem and the gap is sizable to teams like chiefs, ravens and even niners. I suspect howie is likely going to add 2 players at either a corner, safety, and linebacker in free agency. Then add some in the draft. With fangio and those additions, i don’t think they magically become a top 10 unit. But i do think they’ll be in the top half of the league.

The question that keeps bothering me though is, how are you going to respond to adversity. That is the one thing you can’t change with just adding talent and new coaches. when adversity hit the Eagles this year they packed up and folded. I’m not so sure if that changes next year if they hit adversity. it’s the same person giving the same message. To me we’re gonna find out who the Eagles are when adversity hits next year. Maybe it happens early, maybe happens midseason or maybe happens late but they’re gonna hit adversity at some point and how they respond to it is going to tell us about what type of team they can be and will be. 

1 minute ago, pisceschica said:

Apparently there is a schedule conflict on her part and she won't make it ..or wont make it for entire game. But some airlines are taking advantage 
 

 

That’s just smart marketing. 

Just now, WentzFan11 said:

That’s just smart marketing. 

Corny asf. I don't think most ppl with notice unless you point it out to them. The 87 is obvious b/c its his number but what non swift fan would know 1989 is title of her album?