Remember when Johnny Utah chewed out the Eagles new DL coach?

Is Hurtt gonna be the one to inspire Davis to lose weight?

50 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Bryce Harper played professionally as a teenager. He got to his first playoffs at 19. So the fact he was even great as a rookie playing in a playoff was amazing. Lamar Jackson didn’t reach the nfl until 21. If you want to say, both of them in their rookie, years weren’t good in their first postseason, that’s not out of the norm. Because most are. But Lamar has been as bad as a passer besides the Texans and one titans game  

Bryce Harper had success before year 11 and 12 in the postseason. He didn’t get wins, but then again he wasn’t pitching in some of those games that they lost and he hit well. His second postseason at 21 he hit .294/.368/.1.251 OPS with 3 homers and 4 RBIs. You know how good that is? For a 4 game post season that’s really good. Yet they lost in 4 games. Also in elimination games before getting to year 11 and 12 he was hitting .467 and .578 OBP with 2 homers and 4 RBIs. You know how ridiculously good that is? Yet the nationals lost those games. Lamar second postseason he had 12 points, 52% completion and 2 turnovers that led to short field tds (3 turnovers in general) and had a bunch of garbage time stat padding vs. titans (increased his rushing yards and completion percentage) 

also in baseball, Bryce Harper has no control over the pitching like Lamar doesn’t have control over the defense. He also doesn’t have control over teammates offensive production whereas Lamar dictates how his passing game looks and how that offense looks as he has the ball in his hands every time he takes the field on offense.

Also Lamar’s defense has been good enough in all but one playoff game (titans his second year). I can’t say the same for some of pitching performances in some of those postseasons or the guys around him during those postseason runs in bryce Harper’s career.  For instance 2014 harper, rendon and Zimmerman were the only nationals players to hit. Harper wasn’t remotely the reason they lost that series when he hit nearly .300. In 2016 the nationals didn’t have Strasberg (their best pitcher) and everyone besides scherzer in their starting rotation was bad and their bullpen blew last 2 games otherwise he wins that series (not great but he wasn’t awful). In 2017, besides Michael a. Taylor, Harper had the second highest BA of any of the players who were in the lineup for all 5 games vs. the cubs. Turner, rendon, werth and Zimmerman were worse than Harper. They got good pitching and sadly Harper was better than 8 out of the 9 guys in that lineup. Meanwhile Lamar when they lose have been the major reason they’ve lost and he’s been as a bad you could be in those loses 

In 5 of the 6 games Lamar’s defense has given up 24 points or less and 4 of 6 games 20 or less. I’d add the one game they gave up 28 is because Lamar threw a pick that gave the titans the ball needing 35 yards to score a TD and fumbled a ball that gave the titans the ball needing just 21 yards to score a TD. so he also screwed over his defense in that game with turnovers. when kimbrel blows two games and basically a series for the Phillies that’s counts against Harper W-L and teams began just pitching around him/walking him whereas lamar touches ball every time on offense and can’t make things happen as he touches the ball every time. Lamar Jackson has complete control on his offense and touches the ball every time. He’s been bad as a passer in all but 2 of his starts. In 5 of Lamar’s 6 starts their offense has scored  20 or less points. 1 game he’s scored over 20.

However, after bryce Harper‘s first playoff series at 19, he’s been either solid or good. In fact his 2nd and 3 postseasons he had .265/.419/1.005 (OPS). Since his rookie season postseason appearance he's hitting .298 with .414 OBP and 1.059 OPS with 15 homers and 29 RBIs since. Lamar Jackson has been "great” as a passer in one of his next five playoff games. In those 5 games they’ve averaged 15.8 ppg. He has 5 passing tds and 4 ints and a 79 qb rating. He has 2 rushing tds and 2 fumbles lost. So basically 1 TD more than turnovers in the next 5 playoff games. And there’s some garbage time stat padding in some of that. Harper in his second and 3rd postseason was better than that.  

Also Lamar didn’t play last year in the playoffs because he was too afraid of getting hurt and hurting his next contract. Where is Bryce Harper was playing with a Fing torn elbow. Also bryce Harper played a completely different position midway through the year and still performed. And in elimination games before coming to the Phillies he was hitting .467 with 4 RBIs and 2 homers with OBP of .578

If you’re going strictly wins and losses to tell me that Bryce Harper wasn’t good prior to your 11 and 12 you’d be full of crap. Because of elimination games for the nationals he was hitting 468 and OBP in over 50% of his at bats which is ridiculous  

I am not saying Lamar Jackson can’t get better overtime. You’d hope that’s the case. However you’re delusion if you think Bryce Harper was just bad in every postseason cause they didn’t win the series before we are 11 and 12 in the postseason. He was the best hitter the nationals had in elimination games. I can’t say Lamar was their best player in any of those losses. He’s been atrocious in almost every loss with their season on the line. Also, Bryce Harper got a bunch of crap about his postseason prior to coming to the Phillies and his postseason stats after his rookie season weren’t nearly as bad as Lamar’s  

Also Lamar is 2-4 cause he missed 2022 playoffs. So get your Fing stats correct. 

Also, who says lamar jackson is even playing in year 11 and 12 or as good as he is now to make those postseasons. Much shorter career than baseball and he’s already had durability issues. There’s a chance by 32-33 lamar is like cam newton where he’s at the end of his career

you wanna make a comparison to a baseball player, the comparison you should be using is Clayton Kershaw. Because Clayton Kershaw kinda has the same problem Lamar Jackson does. He’ll be great in the regular season. have a game or two in the postseason where it looks  good. But all the other times, he gets lit up or is just flat out bad. And he’s a 3X Cy Young award winner and won an mvp. 

Could of just said that Qbs have way more control over the outcome of a game than a baseball player that isn't a pitcher. 😜

10 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Could of just said that Qbs have way more control over the outcome of a game than a baseball player that isn't a pitcher. 😜

I could’ve. But I wanted to show Bryce Harper in his second postseason was actually good. And in  elimination games for the nationals he was hitting a ridiculous 468 and on base 578. those are ridiculous stats. He could’ve been better for the nationals in some of those games but he wasn’t the main reason the nationals lost all those series besides his rookie season. Lamar’s poor passing has been the main reason in almost every one of their losses.

like I said in that response, if you want to compare Lamar Jackson to any baseball player, it’s probably Clayton Kershaw. Because Clayton Kershaw has an MVP and he’s a three time cy young award winner. Clayton Kershaw has been great in the regular season and a ton of success. Then postseason he’ll have some bright spots (2013 and 2015) but then spectacularly underwhelming or just outright bad in the others (don’t include 2020 cause it was kind of BS they had a playoff after 60 games. He benefitted the most out of that)

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I could’ve. But I wanted to show Bryce Harper in his second postseason was actually good. And in  elimination games for the nationals he was hitting a ridiculous 468 and on base 578. those are ridiculous stats. He could’ve been better for the nationals in some of those games but he wasn’t the main reason the nationals lost all those series besides his rookie season. Lamar’s poor passing has been the main reason in almost every one of their losses.

like I said in that response, if you want to compare Lamar Jackson to any baseball player, it’s probably Clayton Kershaw. Because Clayton Kershaw has an MVP and he’s a three time cy young award winner. Clayton Kershaw has been great in the regular season and a ton of success. Then postseason he’ll have some bright spots (2013 and 2015) but then spectacularly underwhelming or just outright bad in the others (don’t include 2020 cause it was kind of BS they had a playoff after 60 games. He benefitted the most out of that)

Your post was a good read, i knew Harper was great but, those stats you posted are mind blowing. Thanks for putting the time into that post even though rtk is gonna ignore all of it.... Probably lol. 

7 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Your post was a good read, i knew Harper was great but, those stats you posted are mind blowing. Thanks for putting the time into that post even though rtk is gonna ignore all of it.... Probably lol. 

No problem. Harper’s first postseason was awful. He was also 19. Not many 19 year olds ever play in a postseason. The rest of the time with the Nats he too the blame when they had much bigger issues in those series like 2016 was bullpen blowing 2 games and 2017 the entire lineup below .200 besides Harper, Murphy and Taylor. 

I like Lamar Jackson. If he can improve as a passer against better defenses in the playoffs he would easily win a title. But here’s a problem, we’re in year 6 and playoff game number six and vs. top defenses he has the same issues. It’s been the same thing every single time when he’s had an opponent like Kansas City’s defense. The ravens defense has been good enough in his playoff career for him and the team to have more success. In the six playoff games, the ravens have played with Lamar Jackson their opponents are averaging 18 ppg. Thats really good for nfl postseason. And that 18 includes games where Lamar throws a pick or fumbles that sets up the titans with short fields of having to go 21 and 35 yards. So it could be even less if Lamar took better care of the ball. Lamar and the offense are averaging 16 ppg.
 

Think about this, if the ravens were just gotten into 21 points in every playoff game Lamar Jackson’s played, they would be 4-2. 21 points is not some crazy achievement  the fact the ravens have scored 21 points or less in 5 of his 6 playoff starts is just bad. Just to point this out the QBs that have scored 21 points or more at least one time (if not more) in less than 6 playoff games are: Daniel jones, cj stroud, Jordan love (2x in 2 games), hurts, cousins, geno smith, baker mayfield, Trevor Lawrence, Herbert, Watson and Skylar Thompson. 

 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

No problem. Harper’s first postseason was awful. He was also 19. Not many 19 year olds ever play in a postseason. The rest of the time with the Nats he too the blame when they had much bigger issues in those series like 2016 was bullpen blowing 2 games and 2017 the entire lineup below .200 besides Harper, Murphy and Taylor. 

I like Lamar Jackson. If he can improve as a passer against better defenses in the playoffs he would easily win a title. But here’s a problem, we’re in year 6 and playoff game number six and vs. top defenses he has the same issues. It’s been the same thing every single time when he’s had an opponent like Kansas City’s defense. The ravens defense has been good enough in his playoff career for him and the team to have more success. In the six playoff games, the ravens have played with Lamar Jackson their opponents are averaging 18 ppg. Thats really good for nfl postseason. And that 18 includes games where Lamar throws a pick or fumbles that sets up the titans with short fields of having to go 21 and 35 yards. So it could be even less if Lamar took better care of the ball. Lamar and the offense are averaging 16 ppg.
 

Think about this, if the ravens were just gotten into 21 points in every playoff game Lamar Jackson’s played, they would be 4-2. 21 points is not some crazy achievement  the fact the ravens have scored 21 points or less in 5 of his 6 playoff starts is just bad. Just to point this out the QBs that have scored 21 points or more at least one time (if not more) in less than 6 playoff games are: Daniel jones, cj stroud, Jordan love (2x in 2 games), hurts, cousins, geno smith, baker mayfield, Trevor Lawrence, Herbert, Watson and Skylar Thompson. 

 

I like Lamar too. His struggles in the playoffs are well documented and with the stats and scenarios you brought up magnify it even more. You could make the argument that he hasn't had very good weapons as far as receivers go... Up until this year that is. This is probably the best collection of receivers he has had in his career and he still couldn't get it done so there goes that excuse as well. 

12 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I like Lamar too. His struggles in the playoffs are well documented and with the stats and scenarios you brought up magnify it even more. You could make the argument that he hasn't had very good weapons as far as receivers go... Up until this year that is. This is probably the best collection of receivers he has had in his career and he still couldn't get it done so there goes that excuse as well. 

Flowers didn’t help him yesterday with that fumble. But he had opportunities in that game yesterday where he sailed the ball a good 5-6 yards past WRs who were open or threw into triple coverage where he got picked. In the 4 playoff losses for Lamar the ravens are averaging 10.5 ppg. If you take out his rookie year, it’s gotten worse. They are averaging 8.3 ppg in those 3 losses. Furthermore he’s had 7 turnovers in their 4 playoff losses. the last in the last 3 losses after his rookie year, he’s had 5 in the 3 losses. He’s had a turnover in every playoff game except for 1. 
 

5 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No the other guy played by Faizon Love but he might have been a G too. Whatever. Shut up. 

That's a Fat Faizon Lie

I’d take renfrow on a cheap contract to be the third Wr 

 

9 hours ago, bpac55 said:

I'm just glad Tracy Rocker is gone. Not one DL has improved under him. He's been given tremendous talent and no one gets better. Now, who do they bring in to replace Moorehead at WR Coach.

Snajay Lal is my guess. Was with Moore in Dallas.

Was with Seattle last year so alternatively Waldron might take him 

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d take renfrow on a cheap contract to be the third Wr 

 

He’d bring so much grit and deceptive athleticism to the team 

8 hours ago, bpac55 said:

Remember when Johnny Utah chewed out the Eagles new DL coach?

Wrong Ohio State QBs

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d take renfrow on a cheap contract to be the third Wr 

 

How is Renfroe now? He has looked mid forties since college…

not sure he has much left

finding a draft pick who can also return punts and kicks just makes too much sense

11 minutes ago, paco said:

Wrong Ohio State QBs

He's always Johnny Utah to me. 

9 hours ago, paco said:

The only defensive player featured was the ornery clown in the apartment fire on Seinfeld.  
 

He was a linebacker.   YOU HEAR THAT HOWIE?

Howie was intimidated by Terry Tate, Office LB, once upon a time.    The thought of adding a LB gives him a cold sweat.

 

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

if you want to compare Lamar Jackson to any baseball player, it’s probably Clayton Kershaw

Another comparison might be Yu Darvish, not as many post season appearances as Kershaw but seems to really struggle in PS after having great regular seasons.

BH is just an amazing hitter who kept his head straight unlike a lot of young talent rich kids that come up now days. 

 

30 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

How is Renfroe now? He has looked mid forties since college…

not sure he has much left

finding a draft pick who can also return punts and kicks just makes too much sense

He’s 28. I think he’s likely fine as a slot receiver if he actually has a Qb. I wouldn’t give him much but i think you have to bring in a veteran and draft a young kid. The eagles basically have smith, brown and covey right now under contract in the WR corps. So likely needing to add 2 players to the group. I’d add one veteran and one via the draft. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He’s 28. I think he’s likely fine as a slot receiver if he actually has a Qb. I wouldn’t give him much but i think you have to bring in a veteran and draft a young kid. The eagles basically have smith, brown and covey right now under contract in the WR corps. So likely needing to add 2 players to the group. I’d add one veteran and one via the draft. 

There are definitely a lot of intriguing WRs on day 2 this year for them to look at. For those of you who have never seen Malachi Corley…

 

45 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

How is Renfroe now? He has looked mid forties since college…

not sure he has much left

finding a draft pick who can also return punts and kicks just makes too much sense

We have a punt returner. Kick offs barely get returned these days.

Senior Bowl practices today!

Renfrow suffered with the scheme change when McIdiot came in; before that, productive as a slot WR.  Could he offer something to the Eagles?  Sure, but not sure how much after 2 years of twiddling his thumbs.

Just now, UK Eagle said:

Renfrow suffered with the scheme change when McIdiot came in; before that, productive as a slot WR.  Could he offer something to the Eagles?  Sure, but not sure how much after 2 years of twiddling his thumbs.

The flip side to that may be he's super motivated and fresh ready to go? But I get the concerns for sure.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The flip side to that may be he's super motivated and fresh ready to go? But I get the concerns for sure.

I would take a risk on him, but cost and playing with concerns on both sides.  He would be an instant on Quez or Zaccheus,