1 minute ago, Cliftoma said:

They are going to need to add a lot of talent this draft.  Unless they really like a player at a position of need, a trade back should be in the cards.

Right now on Tankathon website they have the Eagles drafting Cooper DeJean from Iowa.  
 

The good news ……. he’s a CB

The bad news …….

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

34 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't think the odd 5-2 is working for this defense.  (Captain obvious, none of it is working)....but I think this may be more of a cause than we think.  

We are clogging the line with bodies that don't really generate pass rush and leaving the middle of the field open.  How often do we see Sweat/Cox/Davis/Williams (or insert any 3 DTs) with Reddick in a 2 point stance?

With our absurd DT investment, that sounds like a lot of talent on the field that gets them all involved.  Sounds good.  But it's a lot of big bodies that don't generate movement in the pass rush, funnels all our push into one clogged area, leaves the middle of the field wide open, and is the reason the DC is infuriating all of you by needing to have Reddick drop into coverage.

The argument could be made not to have 5,  not to have a small fast one on the edge, but back as some sort of rushing and run defense blitzing linebacker.    Instead of the edge, in the middle.  4-3,   Nakobe Dean, Ben VanSumeren, Nolan Smith as the linebackers.

 

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Speaking of teams that collapse and bad coaching decisions 

Idk what the Phillies are doing but they basically are running it back with no new additions. I wish they’d get into the market with some of the guys who remain cause probably can get them on decent deals since it’s January 

 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Right now on Tankathon website they have the Eagles drafting Cooper DeJean from Iowa.  
 

The good news ……. he’s a CB

The bad news …….

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I like Cooper DeJean, the Eagles need a top CB,  High school running QB.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

 

1 hour ago, T-1000 said:

The head coach needs to go and it's not even about a knee jerk reaction to the collapse down this stretch. It's about what obviously happened to the team during the collapse. When you are a CEO head coach and your only job is to motivate the team and get them ready to play and they quit listening to the message and aren't motivated or ready to play well two plus two equals four. That team went out last night in a playoff game and looked completely disinterested and lost. Also, if you need to have two great coordinators in place to make your coach look like he belongs, he doesn't. So for that crowd you are already admitting he isn't the answer. I don't like to see someone lose their job but it's obvious it needs to be done.

If the players aren't motivated and basically quit then that says alot about them.  They probably shouldn't be back.

You're in a playoff game and give that type of effort?  Shannon Sharpe was talking about the Eagles today and said you need to start looking at and giving some blame to the players.  

Does Sirianni and the coaches get blame? Of course.  But these players are professionals and in a playoff game.  They shouldn't need a pep talk or speech to get them motivated.  

We had to replace alot of the defense from last year and Howie failed at that miserably. 

But but Philly fans

 

 

Hopefully he can make it through their run. 

After that big of a dumpster fire, there is only one thing to do.  Burn it down!! 

Everybody has blame in this but the players come with contracts that limit the options there.  The coaching staff doesn't.  Get rid of those bums.  Not only have the players not improved but they have regressed.

Lurie is spending tons of money on players with a pop warner coaching staff.  Time to upgrade.  Ben Johnson wants $15 mil give it to him if he is your guy.  Harbaugh wants final say you give it him.  The guy knows how to build and coach quality teams.

Bj and Sirianni took a Ferrari of an offense and ran into the ditch because they don't know how to drive it.

This city, this fan base and the players who care serve better than what they got this year.

 

5 hours ago, judunno said:

A lot of times they don't get calls in fast enough from the sidelines and seem to be racing the clock as well. Wish they went a little more up tempo no huddle when they get in a funk so that they have time to make calls at the line.

This is one of the biggest indictments of the coaching IMO. How in the F are they constantly getting to the line with less than 10 seconds left on the play clock, even at home??? It's embarrassing and reeks of either an indecisive imbecile calling the plays or a complete lack of communication between the QB and coaches. I've never seen anything like it. Visiting teams get their offenses set up faster than ours can in our own stadium.

Hurts has to rush snaps because they take so Fing long jacking each other off in the huddle, probably also contributes to him being unable to read or process anything cause he basically gets into formation and has to get the play off within 5 seconds

Reality check, if you were Howie, would you have blown this team up after going to the SB?

He didn't have the resources to do more than plug and pray, he had to let CJGJ and Hargrave walk, Bradbury was brought back b/c he was relatively cheap for a veteran CB and was only 30, same with Cox, couldn't afford Edwards, thought Dean could replace him as a second year player, and so on. It almost worked until it imploded, sure 10-1 should have been 8-3 but 1-5 probably should have been 3-3, so still 11-6 which is solid coming off a SB with a short offseason and cap issues. It was the way that they ended the season that leaves such a bad taste.

Sure Desai and Patricia were dealt bad hands, but Desai got them to play at a mediocre level which was fine the first half, then they collapsed as opposing OCs recognized the weak spots. Desai couldn't adjust and Patricia was no better - time to move on. Speed and quickness in the back seven (and some more physical play) is needed.

Johnson was right to move away from the RPO, Hurts is obviously hurt and shouldn't be running like he did the SB season anymore - but that then requires a more sophisticated passing scheme to get receivers open, I think Hurts was the highest rated QB throwing into tight coverage - problem was he was always throwing into tight coverage - how often did you see an Eagles receiver with separation under 3 seconds? Look at all those deep routes, or outlets behind the LOS - where are the routes over the middle, safety valves in motion so they can catch in stride instead of turning to face the QB then having to turn up field from a stationary position, and so on. No motion, no deception, lousy execution of picks, etc.

Siri took over a 4-12 team and got them to 9-=7 without a serious talent infusion, I think he may actually be better in a rebuilding situation than trying to milk a last season out of a bunch of veterans. He's certainly earned the chance to turn this around.

 

 

5 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles current first round pick is #22.  This is the sweet zone for Howie.  Since 2010 when the Eagles have selected in the 20s, it’s been:

2011 — Danny Watkins (23)

2014 — Marcus Smith (26)

2015 — Nelson Agholor (20)

2019 — Andre Dillard (22)

2020 — Jalen Reagor (21)

 

 

Does Howie dare not trade out?

Ironically, Agholor is the best pick there by default, (he did have a very good ‘17 season ending with a good Super Bowl performance), but he was also taken the year Chip had control, so can’t even credit Howie with that one. 

6 hours ago, Utebird said:

That raven D has 160 blitzes to the eagles 162 blitzes but the ravens have 60 sacks off two less blitzes to the eagles 43 sacks???

Difference is Macdonald does a really good job disguising his blitzes and even when he rushes just 4 hes bringing that 4th from the nickel, the safety maybe a LB where as eagles just rely on the front 4 DL.

Also helps that ravens have LBs that can cover and versatile DBs that can line up all over.

Eagles have some DL and nothing but turds behind it...☹️

When's the last time the Eagles blitzed and we all said wow where did that come from or holy cow what a call by the DC! It never happens. Or what about lining up players to use them to an advantage? I look back at BG's sack of Brady in SB52. The NASCAR package that utilized DE lining up on the inside. That was a brilliant play call that gave BG a mismatch.  This entire team, both sides of the ball is based off of the Eagles just hoping their player is better and wins their matchup. It's infuriating. 

A blitz for the Eagles is basically their LB shooting a gap and getting stonewalled.

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

5 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

If the players aren't motivated and basically quit then that says alot about them.  They probably shouldn't be back.

You're in a playoff game and give that type of effort?  Shannon Sharpe was talking about the Eagles today and said you need to start looking at and giving some blame to the players.  

Does Sirianni and the coaches get blame? Of course.  But these players are professionals and in a playoff game.  They shouldn't need a pep talk or speech to get them motivated.  

We had to replace alot of the defense from last year and Howie failed at that miserably. 

I don't know why but something tells me Darius Slay got in the ears of young guys and told them to F it. There's just too much history of dislike and hate between he and Patricia. Ever since his ill timed knee clean out and his increase in self loving social media posts, something has felt just off about him. I'm probably grasping at straws with this but you're right, a lot of blame goes on the players too. 

meanwhile

57 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

meanwhile

What was the run we went on after that speech? I forget. 

Lol

3 hours ago, austinfan said:

Reality check, if you were Howie, would you have blown this team up after going to the SB?

He didn't have the resources to do more than plug and pray, he had to let CJGJ and Hargrave walk, Bradbury was brought back b/c he was relatively cheap for a veteran CB and was only 30, same with Cox, couldn't afford Edwards, thought Dean could replace him as a second year player, and so on. It almost worked until it imploded, sure 10-1 should have been 8-3 but 1-5 probably should have been 3-3, so still 11-6 which is solid coming off a SB with a short offseason and cap issues. It was the way that they ended the season that leaves such a bad taste.

Sure Desai and Patricia were dealt bad hands, but Desai got them to play at a mediocre level which was fine the first half, then they collapsed as opposing OCs recognized the weak spots. Desai couldn't adjust and Patricia was no better - time to move on. Speed and quickness in the back seven (and some more physical play) is needed.

Johnson was right to move away from the RPO, Hurts is obviously hurt and shouldn't be running like he did the SB season anymore - but that then requires a more sophisticated passing scheme to get receivers open, I think Hurts was the highest rated QB throwing into tight coverage - problem was he was always throwing into tight coverage - how often did you see an Eagles receiver with separation under 3 seconds? Look at all those deep routes, or outlets behind the LOS - where are the routes over the middle, safety valves in motion so they can catch in stride instead of turning to face the QB then having to turn up field from a stationary position, and so on. No motion, no deception, lousy execution of picks, etc.

Siri took over a 4-12 team and got them to 9-=7 without a serious talent infusion, I think he may actually be better in a rebuilding situation than trying to milk a last season out of a bunch of veterans. He's certainly earned the chance to turn this around.

 

 

You misspelled doesn't value and can't evaluate linebackers, he could've tied Edward's down to a contract in 2021 and instead gave him a one year extension, and drafted a guy who dropped because of injury concerns and wasn't ready to start anyway, meantime Edwards who we'd developed for 3 years and had been our starting MLB for 2 years had a breakout season and could write his own ticket and chose his home town.

The reason we couldn't afford him is because all of our star players are on contracts that get more expensive by year because Howie's cap management means we backload contracts like crazy so we can never afford to keep the unglamorous roster slots filled with unflashy but solid guys who form the bedrock of a properly built roster.

Instead we have to draft projects and sign moneyball low cost free agents so our linebacker room is basically a revolving cast of mostly middling players at best and even when he finally does hit on a good one like Edwards we can't afford to keep them, because we can't restructure any of the decade plus veterans any more and we had to trade for AJ Brown because Howie thought Jalen Reagor was better than Justin Jefferson.

Also regarding Desai and Patricia, Desai went 10-3 against a schedule full of play off teams, and Patricia went 1-4 against 4 teams picking before 15 and a team that backed into the play offs by being the least worst in the NFC South. He had 3 teams beat their regular season average score by over 10 points against us.

The reason we got hammered by San Francisco wasn't OC's working anything out, it's because we played an offense that relies on a ton of underneath stuff and YAC with no starting linebackers or nickel corners. It was basically the worst match up we could possibly have that week. With Patricia we'd have conceded 70.

Doug is interviewing Ryan Nielsen for the DC job. He had a heckuva year in Atlanta. Would love to land him here. 

7 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Reddick has a first round replacement.  I like Smith a lot as a prospect...his rookie year was a wash, but the overall talent of the team is going to erode fast if you just keep first rounders on the bench for fun.

Reddick is going to trend down from 2022 and likely 2023 too.  Get something while he's still a big name.  

I guess its madden season in here now

18 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

You misspelled doesn't value and can't evaluate linebackers, he could've tied Edward's down to a contract in 2021 and instead gave him a one year extension, and drafted a guy who dropped because of injury concerns and wasn't ready to start anyway, meantime Edwards who we'd developed for 3 years and had been our starting MLB for 2 years had a breakout season and could write his own ticket and chose his home town.

The reason we couldn't afford him is because all of our star players are on contracts that get more expensive by year because Howie's cap management means we backload contracts like crazy so we can never afford to keep the unglamorous roster slots filled with unflashy but solid guys who form the bedrock of a properly built roster.

Instead we have to draft projects and sign moneyball low cost free agents so our linebacker room is basically a revolving cast of mostly middling players at best and even when he finally does hit on a good one like Edwards we can't afford to keep them, because we can't restructure any of the decade plus veterans any more and we had to trade for AJ Brown because Howie thought Jalen Reagor was better than Justin Jefferson.

Also regarding Desai and Patricia, Desai went 10-3 against a schedule full of play off teams, and Patricia went 1-4 against 4 teams picking before 15 and a team that backed into the play offs by being the least worst in the NFC South. He had 3 teams beat their regular season average score by over 10 points against us.

The reason we got hammered by San Francisco wasn't OC's working anything out, it's because we played an offense that relies on a ton of underneath stuff and YAC with no starting linebackers or nickel corners. It was basically the worst match up we could possibly have that week. With Patricia we'd have conceded 70.

Well said. Roseman continues to avoid blame from the media and most fans. I don’t get it. To me, his off-season moves, poor contract management and drafting doomed this season, particularly on defense. 

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

The Eagles current first round pick is #22.  This is the sweet zone for Howie.  Since 2010 when the Eagles have selected in the 20s, it’s been:

2011 — Danny Watkins (23)

2014 — Marcus Smith (26)

2015 — Nelson Agholor (20)

2019 — Andre Dillard (22)

2020 — Jalen Reagor (21)

 

 

Does Howie dare not trade out?

Trading down for a future first would be a Howie move

Have to imagine we find out Siri's fate today one way or the other.