6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Is Andrew Van Ginkel an option for us?

Him or Jerome Baker could work

Just now, ManuManu said:

@HazletonEagle

I watched the "top” RBs and came away mostly unimpressed. If I had to rank them, I’d go…

1. Jonathon Brooks: Unfortunately he tore his ACL, but I think he is the most complete RB. Decent speed, good contact balance, good in the passing game. 

2. Trey Benson: Weird that he didn’t get more carries. Good speed, good contact balance. Surprisingly smooth in the passing game, but probably not a guy you want playing on third downs.

3. Braelon Allen if he cuts weight: I’m going to lump Estime in here with him although I prefer Allen. They both need to drop about 10 pounds each. Allen might be a little too upright to make it, but he has good feet and contact balance. Dropping weight to give him more burst or top end speed could make a huge difference. You said Estime looked too slow. I agree. He’s tough, but NFL defenders are gonna be on him too quickly with his lack of burst. He’s kind of like a rich man’s Snell, the old RB from Kentucky. Allen seems more like Blount.

4. Marshon Lloyd: It feels like he’s getting slept on. Looks good as a runner and receiver. Nice burst and contact balance. Kind of reminds me of when Aaron Jones was coming out of UTEP. If you told me neither Allen nor Estime cut weight to add speed, I’d put Lloyd third. 

No Corum

 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

@HazletonEagle

I watched the "top” RBs and came away mostly unimpressed. If I had to rank them, I’d go…

1. Jonathon Brooks: Unfortunately he tore his ACL, but I think he is the most complete RB. Decent speed, good contact balance, good in the passing game. 

2. Trey Benson: Weird that he didn’t get more carries. Good speed, good contact balance. Surprisingly smooth in the passing game, but probably not a guy you want playing on third downs.

3. Braelon Allen if he cuts weight: I’m going to lump Estime in here with him although I prefer Allen. They both need to drop about 10 pounds each. Allen might be a little too upright to make it, but he has good feet and contact balance. Dropping weight to give him more burst or top end speed could make a huge difference. You said Estime looked too slow. I agree. He’s tough, but NFL defenders are gonna be on him too quickly with his lack of burst. He’s kind of like a rich man’s Snell, the old RB from Kentucky. Allen seems more like Blount.

4. Marshon Lloyd: It feels like he’s getting slept on. Looks good as a runner and receiver. Nice burst and contact balance. Kind of reminds me of when Aaron Jones was coming out of UTEP. If you told me neither Allen nor Estime cut weight to add speed, I’d put Lloyd third. 

Dont sleep on Estime and Jaylen Wright.

4 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Ok, so who are the third or fourth round receivers to watch that have inside-outside versatility and can run?

Can Pearsall run? I know Roman Wilson can, but is he capable in the slot?

Malachi Corley is my day 2 target. He’s Deebo. 

4 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think when we release byard we are close to $40. Lions also have to extend st. Brown and Goff who have only 1 year left on their deals 

The Texans could really build themselves a legit contender if they add pieces to that defense and upgrade on the oline 

Texans are definitely on the way up. If they get another weapon to go with with Collins and Dell, retain Schultz, and add a couple Oline pieces that’s gonna be a fun damn team to watch. 

2 minutes ago, judunno said:

Dont sleep on Estime and Jaylen Wright.

I am also a fan of Ray Davis coming out of Kentucky. 

4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

No Corum

 

 

He doesn’t do it for me as an NFL lead back. 

5 minutes ago, judunno said:

Dont sleep on Estime and Jaylen Wright.

I included Estime in the Allen write up. Wright was OK. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He doesn’t do it for me as an NFL lead back. 

Does he do it for you as part of a rotation?   This team doesn't use "lead" backs.

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Malachi Corley is my day 2 target. He’s Deebo. 

Texans are definitely on the way up. If they get another weapon to go with with Collins and Dell, retain Schultz, and add a couple Oline pieces that’s gonna be a fun damn team to watch. 

I am also a fan of Ray Davis coming out of Kentucky. 

Watched him. Looks like a backup RB. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Does he do it for you as part of a rotation?   This team doesn't use "lead" backs.

We used Swift as a lead back this year. 

22 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Is Andrew Van Ginkel an option for us?

I need to get a read on how much he played edge vs true LB. Not sure he’s worth paying as an edge with Reddick, Sweat and Smith here. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

We used Swift as a lead back this year. 

He should have been used much more.

9 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Malachi Corley is my day 2 target. He’s Deebo. 

Texans are definitely on the way up. If they get another weapon to go with with Collins and Dell, retain Schultz, and add a couple Oline pieces that’s gonna be a fun damn team to watch. 

I am also a fan of Ray Davis coming out of Kentucky. 

Nice... Davis looks pretty good too... makes guys miss, finishes his runs, looks fast enough. Seems like with these guys if they're gonna see the field they'll have to be pretty good in pass pro. Maybe that changes with Moore where he can hide them better.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

He should have been used much more.

Maybe. I’d take Corum as an upgrade over Scott and Gainwell. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We used Swift as a lead back this year. 

New OC... and Siri is done thank god. Gonna look a lot different hopefully for the best

I got Benson one

im higher on Irving than most , ditto Estime and Tracy 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He should have been used much more.

Situationally, but I don't think "much more". 

McCaffery averaged 17 carries per game.

Henry was at 16.5 carries per game. 

Swift was at 14.3 carries per game. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Situationally, but I don't think "much more". 

McCaffery averaged 17 carries per game.

Henry was at 16.5 carries per game. 

Swift was at 14.3 carries per game. 

That's fair.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Situationally, but I don't think "much more". 

McCaffery averaged 17 carries per game.

Henry was at 16.5 carries per game. 

Swift was at 14.3 carries per game. 

Yeah. He should have been used more week 1, that’s for sure. 

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I got Benson one

im higher on Irving than most , ditto Estime and Tracy 

I watched Irving. Looks like a change of pace guy. Who is Tracy?

19 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I included Estime in the Allen write up. Wright was OK. 

Better than OK. Top in class in many categories... may or may not change your mind

https://phillycovercorner.com/2023/12/draft-profile-rb-jaylen-wright-tennessee/

47 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You are discussing not liking packers depth the lions have next to none heading into FA. also Goff is on a reasonable contract considering he’s at $30 mil which is way below market value is now with how contracts have escalated.  It’s actually a reasonable contract. Not going to be when it jumps 20-30 million per year  

Talks about all the FAs they have here: 
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2024/01/29/detroit-lions-nfl-free-agents-2024-list/72390494007/

 

Yea most of those guys are marginal roster players or have been hurt. Vaitai and Harris haven't played in months (Lions had some injuries too). And Sudfeld, for example, wasn't active for a single game all year I don't think. He was stuck behind Bridgewater and some other rookie they drafted. 

Reading through the article, I'm not seeing anywhere that is says only 23 players are under contract for 2024. Looking at OTC here: https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/detroit-lions, they list 38 players under contract although I don't think that's accurate either since they list FAs like CJGJ. So while the number is definitely less than 38, it's not as low as 23 either from what I can see. Maybe you were looking ahead to 2025 where they list only 23 players under contract.

Back to who they need to re-sign, of that list, Glasgow, CJGJ, Skipper, Reeves-Maybin, and maybe Benito Jones are tlikely o be priority re-signings. Probably whatever ST players are needed too. The others are the very definition of the term JAG.

Looking again at their core players, you're right that St Brown, Sewell, and McNeil are going to see their cap numbers all go way up if/when they sign extensions, but Decker's likely won't if he signs an extension and Goff's might even go down (not sure I agree that he's going to command enough on new a deal to see his 2024 cap number spike significantly from the $32M where it's at now.)

So let's say they extend St Brown and his '24 cap number likely jumps to $15M - $20M range (highly dependent on the structure of course), Sewell will get a nice bump and be in a similar range, McNeil probably around $8M-$10M, that leaves them with about $10M-$20M to work with (before any other cuts or restructuring) for the rest of the returning players to prioritze re-signing. Every other player needed to fill out the roster can be at or near the minimum.

Now do the same with the Packers knowing that Jordan Love is going to also get a new deal before the end of 2024. Looking at their starters, sounds like both their starting safeties are FAs and also their starting RG.

Comparing their rosters:

QB: Push (though I'd say that only because I need to see a bit more of Love before I elevate him over a vet like Goff, but if you want to give Love the edge here, I wouldn't argue)

RB: DET (Gibbs is a stud and Jones is losing a step)

WR: DET 

TE: DET

OL: DET

DL: DET (but it's close I think)

LB: GB 

CB: GB (by a mile)

S: DET (under the assumption GB downgrade from existing players since cap could limit who they bring on)

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Situationally, but I don't think "much more". 

McCaffery averaged 17 carries per game.

Henry was at 16.5 carries per game. 

Swift was at 14.3 carries per game. 

9ers wised up... i thought they were gonna run Mcaffrey into the ground but seems like they backed off.

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He should have been used much more.

I think his usage on the ground was fine to keep him fresh and healthy. Probably should have been used more as a receiver though. 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Situationally, but I don't think "much more". 

McCaffery averaged 17 carries per game.

Henry was at 16.5 carries per game. 

Swift was at 14.3 carries per game. 

Probably should look at touches instead of carries. I'd imagine McCaffrey would be much higher vs Swift in that case.

7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Situationally, but I don't think "much more". 

McCaffery averaged 17 carries per game.

Henry was at 16.5 carries per game. 

Swift was at 14.3 carries per game. 

Weirdly, I don't see that number as being 'lead' back territory.   But, that's just me being old, I guess.   20-25 carries a game was always the line for me.   Meh, I'm just a dinosaur.