7 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

To an extent. I'd love to have Winfield but he's likely going to be the highest paid S in the NFL once he get's his deal. I think he's going to be way too rich for Howie to be comfortable with.  

Agreed but I suspect they’ll pay a FA S some decent money. More than LB

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Spotrac assesses Winfield's market value at $18.4M per.  Frankly, I'd rather have Xavier McKinney at a $10.4M assessed value per.

I agree that McKinney would be a fantastic fit. I guess my answer to the question of what's a must-have FA signing. For me, it's just "safeties." Can't rely on Reed, another rookie, an injured Brown. McKinney, Curl, Rapp, Savage, etc. There are going to be a good number of young FA's. Winfield would be the crown jewel of the group.

18 minutes ago, metal said:

I don't think WInfield will ever get to free agency. He's sure to be tagged if they can't come to a deal.

Kamren Curl is underrated and one guy I'm hoping for this free agency. He can do it all and shouldn't be the cost of a Winfield. 

14 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Commie fans are gonna start yearning for the Snyder days if this keeps heading this way.

1999 - We got a young, smart owner!  Things are looking up!
2000 - We got Bruce Smith and Deon Sanders!  Things are looking up!
2001 - It's Marty Ball time! Things are looking up!
2002 - We got the Ol' Ball coach! Things are looking up!
2003 - Randy Thomas, John Hall, Laveranues Coles, and Chad Morton are in the building! Things are looking up!
2004 - Gibbs is BACK!  Things are looking up!
2005 - Coles is a bum, we got Santana now! Things are looking up!
2006 - Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randle El, Adam Archuleta, Andre Carter, Todd Collins, Christian Fauria!  SUPERBOWLEZ!!!!!
2007 - With Sean Taylor looking over us, how can we lose? Things are looking up!
2008 - We're Horny for Zorney! Things are looking up!
2009 - With Albert Haynesworth, our defense will be unstoppable!!! Things are looking up!
2010 - Shanahan + McNabb is going to be Elway 2.0. Things are looking up!
2011 - No more old FA's, we drafted 12 rookies.  Things are looking up!
2012 - RG3!!!  Things are looking up!
2013 - RG3 is all in for week 1!!! Things are looking up!
2014 - Shanahan was old and washed up, thank got we have real pedigree with Jay Guden. Things are looking up!
2015 - GMSM in the FO and Cousins at QB will finally give us the stability we need.  Things are looking up!
2016 - Vernon Davis will give us the stud at TE we were missing!  Things are looking up!
2017 - Joe Barry had to go, thank god we have Greg Manusky now! Things are looking up!
2018 - Cousins was just a guy, former #1 pick Alex Smith has the winning resume that we need!  Things are looking up!
2019 - Dwayne Haskins is just the youth movement at QB our team needs!  Things are looking up!
2020 - Bruce Allen was a nepo baby and Jay Gruden is a loser, Ron Rivera will fix both! Things are looking up!
2021 - With Martin Mayhew taking over GM from Ron, Coach can focus his main job. Things are looking up!
2022 - New name AND Carson Wentz?!?!?!  Things are looking up!
2023 - New OWNER!!!!! Things are looking up!
2024 - Josh Harris finally has HIS people in place. Things are looking up!

14 hours ago, ManuManu said:

 

Cool.  Do they thought?  

3 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

Why do i keep hearing Kelce is the greatest TE of all time now?

I'd rather put Gronk in that category.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison. Kelce is a tweener like Jimmy Graham, and is rarely asked to block relative to other TEs, so if we're going with the conventional definition of a TE, then Gronk is the best to ever play the position.

9 minutes ago, paco said:

2018 - Cousins was just a guy, former #1 pick Alex Smith has the winning resume that we need!  Things are looking up!

Has it been 6 years since Cousins was in Minny?  6 years and 0 playoff wins?  Yeah, Cousins really is just a guy.  Alex Smith was a good QB, but they way overpaid him & gave up entirely too much to get him.

Washington hired a basketball guy to go off and find a new coach, and the best he ended up was Dan Freaking Quinn?  Again, they can't figure out what they're doing.  They traded away their 2 best defenders, only to turn around and hire a defensive minded coach, who will probably go and draft a QB high in the draft.   Basketball guy FTW!

2 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

There is something wrong with Caleb Williams’ psyche and I do not think he will be able to handle the NFL

What makes you say that?  Did he do something new?

Name	Average Yards	Average TD	Average Targets	Average Games Started	Years	Yards/Target	TD/Target
Mark Andrews	810	7	94	14.5	6	8.62	0.07
George Kittle	896	5	91	13	7	9.85	0.05
Travis Kelce	1030	7	115	14	11	8.96	0.06
Dallas Goedert	598	4	71	11	6	8.42	0.06
TJ Hockenson	709	5	100	15	5	7.09	0.05
Evan Engram	651	3	95	11	7	6.85	0.03

 

Just to give some context to the stats people are using. Goedert is targeted far less and his per target stats are on par or better than the TEs listed above. And then throw in the whole other side to playing TE, blocking.

I guess, to some, overrated means efficiently using a player.

5 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Has it been 6 years since Cousins was in Minny?  6 years and 0 playoff wins?  Yeah, Cousins really is just a guy.  Alex Smith was a good QB, but they way overpaid him & gave up entirely too much to get him.

Washington hired a basketball guy to go off and find a new coach, and the best he ended up was Dan Freaking Quinn?  Again, they can't figure out what they're doing.  They traded away their 2 best defenders, only to turn around and hire a defensive minded coach, who will probably go and draft a QB high in the draft.   Basketball guy FTW!

Not going to lie, I felt dirty typing that given what happened to Alex's leg that year.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Goedert has had some bad drops pretty much every year, and is oft injured.

He was also underutilized, and misused this year.

Some people overrate him and talk like he is special. I think its very few.

I dont think he is really over-rated. I think he is a TE who is good enough to put up big stats when given opportunities.

Hes certainly not a HOF type of talent like a Gonzalez or a Gronk.

To say he needs competition is definitely underrating him to a criminal degree. Thats kinda ridiculous. 

They definitely need a TE2 though. 

Certain people definitely overrate him and talk about him like he's a top 3 or even top 5 TE in the NFL.  He's really not.  Is that because he's misused?  Partly.  Is that because he's often injured?  Partly.  Is that partly because of his consistent drops?   Partly.   Put it all together and he's not a guy that opposing defenses stay up nights worrying about.  He's above average.  Nothing more.

32 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Who? Because I have never seen anyone argue he is in that top elite tier. If anything, I regularly see people saying he is just outside that.

You say overrated doesn't mean terrible, yet you reference his stats to point to his performance.

Nobody is claiming he is the 3rd best TE, nobody is claiming he is irreplaceable. There are many other players ahead of him on the overrated list.

I guess you haven't paid attention, but there were posters saying he was third behind Kelce and Kittle as recently as a year or two ago.

Again, using his stats isn't to show that he's terrible. It's to point out that his production for his career, in large, isn't anything special. That doesn't mean terrible. People tend to get the two confused or use overrated as a means of saying garbage. That is not what I'm saying.

He's a solid TE who's getting up their in age. Certainly not irreplaceable.

3 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

There is something wrong with Caleb Williams’ psyche and I do not think he will be able to handle the NFL

Sort of feel the same way.  He’s also just an immature/entitled punk.  I’ve never seen one of those amount to much.  Just a more talented Jay Cutler or Jeff George

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

That’s because he’s more WR than TE. That’s also a big reason why people in here  say Goedert is and has been overrated. They have a tough time understanding the value he brings as a two-way TE. Goedert hs been a top 5 TE in the league. He probably isn’t that now, but he’s really good. He’s the rare complete TE. 

Has he been though?   That's where the exaggeration comes in.  I'd go top 10 as his ceiling rather than top 5.   He's never approached Kelce or Kittle.  He never really approached Ertz.   He's always been in that next grouping with Mark Andrews, T.J. Hockenson, Darren Waller and a few others.   Personally, I'd rank him behind all 3 of them.   And now, he's been passed by LaPorta and Ferguson as well.  So, like I said earlier, above average... but not elite.  

10 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Has it been 6 years since Cousins was in Minny?  6 years and 0 playoff wins?  Yeah, Cousins really is just a guy.  Alex Smith was a good QB, but they way overpaid him & gave up entirely too much to get him.

Washington hired a basketball guy to go off and find a new coach, and the best he ended up was Dan Freaking Quinn?  Again, they can't figure out what they're doing.  They traded away their 2 best defenders, only to turn around and hire a defensive minded coach, who will probably go and draft a QB high in the draft.   Basketball guy FTW!

I think Quinn is a valid hire and victimized in the short term by the previous regime choosing to sell players for picks, but at least he comes out with an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick to work with.  A lot of this will depend on how good a GM Adam Peters will be.  He's got good credentials but we'll have to see.

The pick at #2 being a QB is a no-brainer, frankly.  There just isn't a defensive stud in the draft even close to warranting a second overall pick, and Sam Howell isn't a "face of the franchise" guy.  Their OC hire will be hugely important and I suspect that person will have a lot of input on the QB they end up selecting.

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Certain people definitely overrate him and talk about him like he's a top 3 or even top 5 TE in the NFL.  He's really not.  Is that because he's misused?  Partly.  Is that because he's often injured?  Partly.  Is that partly because of his consistent drops?   Partly.   Put it all together and he's not a guy that opposing defenses stay up nights worrying about.  He's above average.  Nothing more.

He was a top 5 TE previously. He was for sure behind Kelce, Kittle and Andrews. Who else would you have definitively put ahead of him in 2021 or 2022?

4 minutes ago, McMVP said:

Sort of feel the same way.  He’s also just an immature/entitled punk.  I’ve never seen one of those amount to much.  Just a more talented Jay Cutler or Jeff George George

I am not sure that he's a more talented Jeff George.  That guy had incredible talent.   One of the very very most talented to ever enter the NFL, which is why despite all the nonsense with him, that he lasted as long as he did and teams would bring him in as their starter.  

The guy just keep getting shots as a starting QB... Indy drafted him, and he flamed out... then he went to Atlanta and flamed out... then to Oakland and flamed out, and finally was a backup in Minnesota... 

And with all of this, George lead the league in passing yards one year and even went over 4000 yards back when that was actually a big deal.  

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Has he been though?   That's where the exaggeration comes in.  I'd go top 10 as his ceiling rather than top 5.   He's never approached Kelce or Kittle.  He never really approached Ertz.   He's always been in that next grouping with Mark Andrews, T.J. Hockenson, Darren Waller and a few others.   Personally, I'd rank him behind all 3 of them.   And now, he's been passed by LaPorta and Ferguson as well.  So, like I said earlier, above average... but not elite.  

You’re not really that far off from the people who said he was top 5. Hell, you’re basically agreeing. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am not sure that he's a more talented Jeff George.  That guy had incredible talent.   One of the very very most talented to ever enter the NFL, which is why despite all the nonsense with him, that he lasted as long as he did and teams would bring him in as their starter.  

The guy just keep getting shots as a starting QB... Indy drafted him, and he flamed out... then he went to Atlanta and flamed out... then to Oakland and flamed out, and finally was a backup in Minnesota... 

And with all of this, George lead the league in passing yards one year and even went over 4000 yards back when that was actually a big deal.  

Agreed if you are talking about just arm talent.  I meant more overall.

41 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison. Kecle is a tweener like Jimmy Graham, and is rarely asked to block relative to other TEs, so if we're going with the conventional definition of a TE, then Gronk is the best to ever play the position.

Kelce, similar to Graham in his prime and Tony G, is pretty much a receiver. Him and Gonzalez are the two best receiving TEs of all time. Gronk is probably the best overall though when factoring blocking in. 

Goedert is more a Witten type TE, but Witten was indestructable and produced at a high level as an all around TE for a very long time.

However, I'd take Kellen Winslow as my TE. Still the greatest playoff performance I've ever seen.

But perhaps the best performance of the game was put in by Kellen Winslow. In addition to his blocked field goal, he recorded an NFL playoff record 13 receptions for 166 yards and a touchdown, despite suffering numerous injuries. During the contest, he was treated for a pinched nerve in his shoulder, dehydration, severe cramps, and a gash in his lower lip that required three stitches. A picture of an exhausted Winslow being helped off the field by two teammates after the game is an enduring image in NFL lore and has been replayed constantly ever since.^[15]

"I've never felt so close to death before," Winslow said afterward. "That's what Muhammad Ali said in Manila and that's how I felt out there at the end."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_in_Miami

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He was a top 5 TE previously. He was for sure behind Kelce, Kittle and Andrews. Who else would you have definitively put ahead of him in 2021 or 2022?

Hockenson for 2022 and 2023 (even 2021, for when he was available).  Evan Engram for 2022.   
Pitts for 2021.   

Like I said, clearly he was top 10... he might have touched top 5 for a year, but as 5, no higher and it comes down to how you knock down Hockenson for his injury that year.   

 

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You’re not really that far off from the people who said he was top 5. Hell, you’re basically agreeing. 

Yes, borderline top 5... mostly top 10.  Never top 3, which plenty of people said.

15 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What’s irritating is that their bullpen was hit or miss most of the year. Alvarado and Hoffman were the only consistent BP arms . And their lineup missed Hoskins. It was pretty obvious when you watch them all year they missed a guy like Rhys, who would grind out at bat and forced pitchers to use pitched on him. They really don’t have great protection in that lineup for Bryce Harper. You got Turner in front of him, but behind him it’s either Castellanos, realmuto who’s in decline or Alec Baum, who is not a cleanup hitter. 

Sinnott

Lachey

Spann-Ford

3 TEs I like