2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Agreed. No news on the qb coach opening? 

They filled it with the guy that Kellen moore had with him last year and in Dallas 

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I'm not worried about Hurts, the RPO was a short-term trick offense, it wasn't sustainable, all running QBs have to learn how to play out of the pocket (Lamar? You hearin' me?).

Hurts problem was more the offense, I think some stat showed he had one of the highest margins over expected value as a passer, the problem was the scheme didn't get targets open - he might have been MVP if he could have played his defense every week. 😁

Johnson did start the transition of Hurts to a pocket passer with mobility, instead of a running QB - it wasn't going to be a one season transition. But Johnson simply was over his head at OC, and they ended up with the worst of both worlds, a somewhat hobbled (though not as bad as some suggest (he still ran for 605 yards and 15 TDs) QB in a passing offense that put a lot of pressure on him in the pocket.

Moore should be able to give him a better profile of targets and routes, and hopefully Howie will upgrade Watkins, find a RB who can pick up a blitz, and a 2nd TE who teams have to respect. Hurts will have a learning curve, how to use motion to expose a defense, timing on underneath routes instead of hitting stationary targets, real screen plays instead of those stupid WR screens, etc.

Hurts has an above average arm and above average accuracy (especially deep balls) - but he needs a scheme that gives him some easy throws, chucking it up to Brown and hope he makes a play is not a viable long-term offense.

In Moore's offense, I suspect the RPO becomes a "look" to make life harder for opposing DCs, not a mainstay of the offense.

 

I agree with much of this, but I don't know that I think Hurts has an above average arm. I think he's got an average NFL QB arm, above average work ethic. Hopefully we see him at least somewhere in between 22-23 seasons as that will mean 22 was not an outlier and 23 is the actual new established low for his play with injury and not the mean.

10 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Therefore there is no justification for football to only be played by High Schools on Fridays simply because they all do it.

Is that the justification I made for it though?   Not at all.    Each level having their own day to play their games and for the sport to have a level of rhythm unlike any other is a beautiful thing and doesn't create competition between the levels.   Fans of football don't need to choose between HS, College or Pro if each keeps to their lane.   Fans of all can enjoy all and do so without 'missing' the others.   But, the overlap creates chaos and limited fan availability for the others.    There's a reason, right now, that the NFL doesn't play on Saturdays until the NCAA season is over.  They do it so that they are not in competition with either other on the weekends.  But, now the NFL is pushing into Fridays?  And now they are competing with HS games?   Nah... that's just greed.

Thursdays have gotten into the mix with both College and NFL games on Thursday nights (Colleges were first, IIRC).  And it used to be the less high profile schools that would play, in order to get some exposure.   But then the NFL saw an opportunity to expand and make money on it (player safety and quality of the product be damned).  And so they pushed into TNF and the colleges were left in the lurch.    When the NFL pushes into a space, they generally push others out of it.  The NFL needs to stay out of Friday nights.

18 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Therefore there is no justification for football to only be played by High Schools on Fridays simply because they all do it.

 

What does everyone think about L'Jarius Sneed? 

He's a CB for the Chiefs that will be a UFA after the super bowl.   He has a 45.2 opponent passer rating and didn't give up a single TD in the regular season.  Is he a legit shut down corner or is he a system guy?

Given our cap situation, I am skeptical we could sign him because if a team views him as a shutdown corner he will be PAID.

 

3 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Hurts has to process quicker and get the ball out quicker; his average time to throw for 2023 is back near the slowest in the league at 3.03 seconds, after he dramatically improved in 2022.  Part of that is inherent in being a mobile QB -- but whether you're a pocket passer like Andrew Luck or Carson Wentz, or whether you're a dual threat QB -- the QBs who take punishment are the QBs who hold the ball.

Having weapons like AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Goedert and Swift should mean the ball is getting out and distributed on schedule.  Hurts needs to get back to that level of play. 

Fair enough.  But it should be pointed out that Hurts’ average time to throw was vastly increased by the amount of times he would scramble out of the pocket, intentionally increasing his time to throw, etc.

 

A better stat to look at would be his average time to throw from within the pocket. 

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is that the justification I made for it though?   Not at all.    Each level having their own day to play their games and for the sport to have a level of rhythm unlike any other is a beautiful thing and doesn't create competition between the levels.   Fans of football don't need to choose between HS, College or Pro if each keeps to their lane.   Fans of all can enjoy all and do so without 'missing' the others.   But, the overlap creates chaos and limited fan availability for the others.    There's a reason, right now, that the NFL doesn't play on Saturdays until the NCAA season is over.  They do it so that they are not in competition with either other on the weekends.  But, now the NFL is pushing into Fridays?  And now they are competing with HS games?   Nah... that's just greed.

Thursdays have gotten into the mix with both College and NFL games on Thursday nights (Colleges were first, IIRC).  And it used to be the less high profile schools that would play, in order to get some exposure.   But then the NFL saw an opportunity to expand and make money on it (player safety and quality of the product be damned).  And so they pushed into TNF and the colleges were left in the lurch.    When the NFL pushes into a space, they generally push others out of it.  The NFL needs to stay out of Friday nights.

We'll see how many Friday night games come along after this.  One in how many years?  The reason the NFL plays Thursday rather than Friday is because of their respect for HS football, otherwise it would already be FNF.  And the reason they don't play Saturday isn't  to not compete with college football for viewers, but rather it is demanded by their TV partners who pay a ton of $$$ for those college games and they want advertisers to pay for both Sat and Sunday games.  The NFL obliges as does college football with not scheduling Alabama vs. Georgia regular season game on Sunday night.

Nonetheless, your argument remains everybody does it one way, which is the right way, so don't upset tradition.  

The only thing the NFL has done recently in terms of scheduling that I might appreciate is the 2nd time slot for MNF… so I can watch the early game and go to bed. The quality of the product isn’t good enough that I want to see more NFL football, I’m just getting leveraged into watching the Eagles on an increasingly strange schedule.

Incidentally, I heard this is how soccer TV scheduling is handled in Brazil. The networks actually show the games after prime time, as the fans are a captive market while the folks watching their stories are inflexible.

6 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The only thing the NFL has done recently in terms of scheduling that I might appreciate is the 2nd time slot for MNF… so I can watch the early game and go to bed. The quality of the product isn’t good enough that I want to see more NFL football, I’m just getting leveraged into watching the Eagles on an increasingly strange schedule.

Incidentally, I heard this is how soccer TV scheduling is handled in Brazil. The networks actually show the games after prime time, as the fans are a captive market while the folks watching their stories are inflexible.

NFL screwed themselves with the extra game and Mon, Thurs, Sat, Sun football. Not enough recovery time. Quality of football is down and refs are Fn up games far too much.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I don't consider it a rivalry either. We won and they bished and moaned about it for a year and then they beat us

2 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

Wonder how this impacts them at the deadline. Sounds like it could be 4 weeks until he’s officially ruled out the remainder - or miraculously (and stupidly) rushed back

the 4 week time table indicates he opted for a partial menisectomy rather than an actual repair. Bad long term health decision, but itll allow him to play in the olypics and Im sure his biggest goal right now is a gold medal for his personal trophy case.

So, it shouldnt change anything for them at the deadline. He will be back in about 4 weeks and play the remainder of the regular season. They should plan just as they were before this happened. If anything, this makes this year more crucial, because he has had numerous meniscus injuries already. That knee has to be pretty close to shot. Hes not gonna last much longer.

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Eskin said on WIP Eagles people told him Hurts will be having no procedures done this offseason. That his injury was just a bone bruise. And that speculation something worse was going on is incorrect. That's concerning. The guy didn't lose a step in 2023, he lost like 5 steps. He went from being able to rip off 30 yard runs, to not even being able to beat DEs around the edge. Damn near unheard of for a player without a significant lower body injury to lose that much in one offseason. If Hurts can't get his 2022 legs back, he simply isn't worth the money he was paid. It's what made him so dangerous in the overall skill set.

sounds wacky. Playing on a bone bruise risks necrosis of the bone, and collapse of the bone, and major surgery. Those idiots should have let him miss time and heal. 

1 hour ago, twistr said:

I agree with much of this, but I don't know that I think Hurts has an above average arm. I think he's got an average NFL QB arm, above average work ethic. Hopefully we see him at least somewhere in between 22-23 seasons as that will mean 22 was not an outlier and 23 is the actual new established low for his play with injury and not the mean.

yes. The consistently underthrown deep balls pretty much disprove both the above average arm, AND the above "average accuracy (especially on deep balls)"

1 hour ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

What does everyone think about L'Jarius Sneed? 

He's a CB for the Chiefs that will be a UFA after the super bowl.   He has a 45.2 opponent passer rating and didn't give up a single TD in the regular season.  Is he a legit shut down corner or is he a system guy?

Given our cap situation, I am skeptical we could sign him because if a team views him as a shutdown corner he will be PAID.

 

Pass. We need to get younger in the secondary and I believe he’s going to be 28? 

1 hour ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

What does everyone think about L'Jarius Sneed? 

He's a CB for the Chiefs that will be a UFA after the super bowl.   He has a 45.2 opponent passer rating and didn't give up a single TD in the regular season.  Is he a legit shut down corner or is he a system guy?

Given our cap situation, I am skeptical we could sign him because if a team views him as a shutdown corner he will be PAID.

 

Love both him and Jaylon Johnson. Will cost a lot though. Will Howie allocate the necessary resources to grab one of these guys considering what Bradberry & Slay get paid? 
That's a mystery we will have solved this free agency period. 

16 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Pass. We need to get younger in the secondary and I believe he’s going to be 28? 

Bradberry falling off the Earth and having that contract really screwed us. With all these folks on the staff they couldn't predict this?

2 hours ago, twistr said:

 

Underrated movie.    Also first R movie I saw in the theathers.

 

RIP Billy Cole

 

#settled

57 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

We'll see how many Friday night games come along after this.  One in how many years?  The reason the NFL plays Thursday rather than Friday is because of their respect for HS football, otherwise it would already be FNF.  And the reason they don't play Saturday isn't  to not compete with college football for viewers, but rather it is demanded by their TV partners who pay a ton of $$$ for those college games and they want advertisers to pay for both Sat and Sunday games.  The NFL obliges as does college football with not scheduling Alabama vs. Georgia regular season game on Sunday night.

Nonetheless, your argument remains everybody does it one way, which is the right way, so don't upset tradition.  

No.  That is not my argument.  My argument is that the levels should not overlap and cause the fans to have to make the choice.  The NFL is the one stepping on toes, so they are the ones that deserve the criticism.  

As for the frequency of Friday night games for the NFL.   That's kind of the point.   This is them establishing a precedent.  If there is no back lash... and if the game is well received and gets good ratings, you think they aren't going to dip into this well more frequently?   That's ludicrous.  If there's no back lash they will absolutely come back and do this as a season opener again, but more than likely it probably opens the door to FNF on the regular, just like TNF.   I think their plan is to have games on Thursday, Friday, Sunday and Monday.  They'd love to go for Saturday too (and do as soon as the NCAA is out of the way).  That gives them 4 days a week with NFL game programming.  Once the middle of December hits... it would rise to 5.  They will absolutely make this a regular thing now that the precedent is being set.   I give it no more than 5 years to be a regular thing.

 

You are correct about the TV contracts being the largest impediment to the overlap.   CBS wants the NFL AND NCAA audience, so they don't want overlap between the two.  Same goes for Fox now.  Same for ESPN/ABC.  They want maximum eyeballs for their investment, so they keep it separated.  But, there's no national TV broadcast network that will say no to Friday Night football for the NFL, if they are looking purely at the dollars and cents.   They will likely bid like crazy for it, because they think that they will make more money on that than regular Friday night broadcasts (and likely so).  Which is why it would be a greed based move.  

56 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The only thing the NFL has done recently in terms of scheduling that I might appreciate is the 2nd time slot for MNF… so I can watch the early game and go to bed. The quality of the product isn’t good enough that I want to see more NFL football, I’m just getting leveraged into watching the Eagles on an increasingly strange schedule.

Incidentally, I heard this is how soccer TV scheduling is handled in Brazil. The networks actually show the games after prime time, as the fans are a captive market while the folks watching their stories are inflexible.

Yup.   Personally, I think for the FNF, I might DVR the Eagles' game and catch it first thing in the morning on Saturday.  Then I can skip all the commercials.  

I hate the way the NFL is changing the schedule all over the place.   As a fan, there's a certain level of planning that goes into games.  Tail gates and house parties are a real part of the experience.   BUT, with games moving all over the place constantly, it makes that experience much more of a challenge for folks to coordinate.   It is going to become the MLB, NHL and NBA where people just show up for the games and then go home... or they just watch by themselves in their homes rather than having large gatherings to watch.   And maybe that's what the NFL wants... that forces more TV sets to be on the games, rather than having them in concentrated areas... meaning higher 'ratings' even if its the same number of eyeballs.  

The NFL is slowly eroding my interest with how they do these things.   The draft is essentially unwatchable now.   The halftimes are ridiculous and we get to see concerts now for any game on a holiday, rather than analysis of the actual game.  They are pushing the true fan out, and catering to the gambler, the fantasy football nuts and the casual observer.

 

If any of you want to know why they are expanding the game, I present the only piece of evidence you need.

The NFL has been growing at a faster rate the last few years, minus the covid year, and its been due to their push internationally.

48 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Pass. We need to get younger in the secondary and I believe he’s going to be 28? 

This is getting younger.  Slay is gonna be 34, Bradberry is gonna be 31.  I'm wouldn't sign Sneed to a contract more than, say, 4-5 years.  

The problem is that Howie has already dumped quite a bit of $$ into Slay / Bradberry and we're going to have to eat a ton of cap space to move on from one or both.  

19 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

If any of you want to know why they are expanding the game, I present the only piece of evidence you need.

The NFL has been growing at a faster rate the last few years, minus the covid year, and its been due to their push internationally.

Goodell is underpaid.

8 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

This is getting younger.  Slay is gonna be 34, Bradberry is gonna be 31.  I'm wouldn't sign Sneed to a contract more than, say, 4-5 years.  

The problem is that Howie has already dumped quite a bit of $$ into Slay / Bradberry and we're going to have to eat a ton of cap space to move on from one or both.  

Slay isn't going anywhere in 2024. Bradberry hopefully is a post June 1 cut. 

I don't see them breaking the bank at corner -- Ringo will get a chance to win that job. Maybe a draft pick for competition along with Ricks. I'm more interested to see what they do at safety -- with Parker coming over, do they look for a veteran safety like Simmons to be a cap casualty in Denver. They struck gold with Jenkins when they went the veteran route in the past.