Just now, aptosbird said:

Those are two coaches with a lot of political capital and their teams always play hard. I don't think Sirianni carries that much influence.

and they both acquired that "political capital" through organizational stability.  Firing the head coach a year after reaching the Super Bowl would say more about the organization than the coach, IMO.  

Just now, Alphagrand said:

What do Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh do?

Their teams are always prepared and well-coached on the finer details of the game. They're generally prepared and great at situational football. As opposed to this team. I mean what did we see this season.

Went for it on 4th down from your own side of the field vs the Patriots for no reason instead of punting, almost cost them the game.

Went for the TD in the first game against Washington, which allowed them to come back down and tie the game and send it to OT.

In the second Wash game, under 2 minutes they have no timeouts, and your RB scores a TD keeping the game alive for them. You rarely see Ravens or Steelers make mistakes like that.

Come out totally flat in a playoff game. The Steelers way undermanned fought tooth and nail with the Bills for a while in that game. Gave effort, played hard.

The Eagles are unprepared on every aspect of the game under Sirianni.

25 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

So it's the players fault that the guy that Bill Bellichick glove puppeted into the Detroit head coach job decided to try and implement his own scheme (which died on it's ass in Detroit) in late season, a scheme which included dropping defensive ends into coverage and produced a worse result than the guy he replaced?

A man so good at calling a defense that Bellichick performed a reverse Castillo on him when he returned to NE and made him offensive line coach.

It's both. Patricia was straight garbage. 

So was Roby bouncing off a tackle on Brock Purdy. So was Bradberry and Morrow when they had White dead to rights 4 yards short of the sticks but he just got the first down anyway. 

Just now, aptosbird said:

I don't know about you, but I know when a team quits and shows minimal effort in a game.

That would be a reflection on the players and the leaders in the locker room.  If you think firing the head coach will solve those issues -- I disagree.  Getting rid of the offending players would be the long term solution.

1. Clean out the coaching staff. Hire REAL coaches that have EXPERIENCE
2. Identify, tag and toss those players who quit. Culture killers be gone
3. Fix the back 7
4. Take the linebacker position seriously
5. Rebuild the culture- no players who are quitters

 

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Come out totally flat in a playoff game.

You haven't seen any Ravens playoff games in the Lamar Jackson era?

2 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

1. Clean out the coaching staff. Hire REAL coaches that have EXPERIENCE
2. Identify, tag and toss those players who quit. Culture killers be gone
3. Fix the back 7
4. Take the linebacker position seriously
5. Rebuild the culture- no players who are quitters

 

Every HC hire of the Lurie era has had zero NFL HCing experience beforehand. Rhodes, Reid, Kelly, Pederson, Sirianni

I wonder if that’s coincidence, or if it’s the gameplan. I’d imagine it’s considerably cheaper to do it that way then to get into a Harbaugh/Vrabel bidding war

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You haven't seen any Ravens playoff games in the Lamar Jackson era?

You're playing contrarian here. You know John Harbaugh is a better coach than Sirianni is. And you know he's not some guy who's carried by his coordinators.

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Now that seems crazy.  He took the Browns to the playoffs with what?  Their 4th starting QB?  Wow. 

 

Offense was a bit of a mess all year even when the starting QB was in.  The defense was the driving force of that team.

2 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

there will be an absolute fan rebellion

the Eagles would be better off without Eagles "fans"

10 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Now that seems crazy.  He took the Browns to the playoffs with what?  They’re 4th starting QB?  Wow 

Did he? Or was it the offensive minded HC who also calls plays? Van Pelt was OC/QB Coach, and I'd guess he was more involved with QB's than running the offense which was Stefanski. Watson stunk all year. The other 2 QB's stunk. Flacco showed up with some lightening in a bottle and that ran out fast. 

2 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Every HC hire of the Lurie era has had zero NFL HCing experience beforehand. Rhodes, Reid, Kelly, Pederson, Sirianni

I wonder if that’s coincidence, or if it’s the gameplan. I’d imagine it’s considerably cheaper to do it that way then to get into a Harbaugh/Vrabel bidding war

I think Lurie does value the premise of finding an offensive mind that can innovate, as well as offer "emotional intelligence" to relate to players.  Andy was an innovative offensive mind, Chip was to an extent, but couldn't adapt his scheme once he got figured out, he hoped Doug gleaned enough from Andy to be a good offensive head coach (Andy recommended him), and I think they liked that Nick could teach and relate to players (and Frank recommended him)

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Did he? Or was it the offensive minded HC who also calls plays? Van Pelt was OC/QB Coach, and I'd guess he was more involved with QB's than running the offense which was Stefanski. Watson stunk all year. The other 2 QB's stunk. Flacco showed up with some lightening in a bottle and that ran out fast. 

Oh that could be the case, I don’t follow the Browns that closely.  The optics of it seem bizarre, that’s all. 

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Oh that could be the case, I don’t follow the Browns that closely.  The optics of it seem bizarre, that’s all. 

They also fired the TE and RB coach so there seems to be a bigger issue over there inside their building. 

2 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

the Eagles would be better off without Eagles "fans"

The Philadelphia Eagles wouldn’t exist without fans.  They would be moved to another city, etc.

But there’s a zero chance of that happening because thanks to the loyal Eagles fanbase, the Philadelphia Eagles are likely a top 10 NFL franchise in terms of value and profitability.  

7 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Every HC hire of the Lurie era has had zero NFL HCing experience beforehand. Rhodes, Reid, Kelly, Pederson, Sirianni

I wonder if that’s coincidence, or if it’s the gameplan. I’d imagine it’s considerably cheaper to do it that way then to get into a Harbaugh/Vrabel bidding war

Most Super Bowl winning coaches are first time head coach hires within their first 5 years.  Reid, Belichek, those are outliers.  Carroll left the NFL, went back to college then back to the NFL so he had a different path as well.  But most are first time head coaches who were previously a coordinator or position coach.

Everyone thinks of the "big names" when head coaching searches happen.  When Reid was coach here, people would say who do you hire to replace him?  Gruden?  Cowher?  Some people only know former head coach names.  Also no HC has ever won a SB for 2 teams.  McCarthy might get fired in Dallas.  Lurie is always looking for the next up and coming coordinator or position coach.  Reid was a QB coach to HC who became the winningest coach in history.  Doug was an OC who won a SB.  Siri was an OC who made the SB in his 2nd year.  

Retreads aren't really the answer in most cases.

15 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

1. Clean out the coaching staff. Hire REAL coaches that have EXPERIENCE
2. Identify, tag and toss those players who quit. Culture killers be gone
3. Fix the back 7
4. Take the linebacker position seriously
5. Rebuild the culture- no players who are quitters

 

Won’t happen but yeah 

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

You're playing contrarian here. You know John Harbaugh is a better coach than Sirianni is. And you know he's not some guy who's carried by his coordinators.

Get serious.  John Harbaugh was hired as an NFL head coach in 2008 and had been nothing but a special teams coordinator since 1988.  He had no other coaching experience and was hired for his ability to relate to players and motivate them.  He survives and thrives as an NFL coach on that skillset.  Harbaugh offers absolutely nothing to offensive or defensive game planning.  Greg Roman created the offensive scheme that made Lamar Jackson an MVP; where Roman's scheme got stale Todd Monken has taken over.  On defense he had Martindale for 10 years before MacDonald took over.  He also has Ozzie Newsome running their front office, who happens to have a reputation as the best drafting executive in football.

How the F do you think Harbaugh would do if Monken and MacDonald quit tomorrow and weren't adequately replaced?  

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

How the F do you think Harbaugh would do if Monken and MacDonald quit tomorrow and weren't adequately replaced?  

He may not win as many games, but his teams would still play hard. His primary responsibility is maintaining culture and identity which he does well. Unlike Sirianni...

The more I think of it, the more I’m starting to lean on promoting Stoutland to head coach - with a new offensive scheme/coordinator and new defensive scheme/coordinator. Maybe keep Brian Johnson as some sort of offensive advisor if he doesn’t get hired somewhere else. 

 

Stoutland is (by a large margin) the most respected Eagles coach by players and fans alike.   The optics for the Eagles would look fine since they are promoting a coach instead of just firing one and hiring another one from the outside.  Then internally they come up with new offenses and defenses - with new, fresh personnel.

 

I honestly think that could work. 

If Sirianni pitches Reich as OC, I think he's a goner.

1 minute ago, aptosbird said:

He may not win as many games, but his teams would still play hard. His primary responsibility is maintaining culture and identity which he does well. Unlike Sirianni...

Both Harbaugh and Tomlin inherited a winning culture.  Cowher won a Super Bowl before Tomlin got there, and Billick won a Super Bowl before Harbaugh got there.  Both franchises have organizational stability and an excellent front office.  Those coaches both benefit a huge amount from their environment.

Now tell me what the organizational culture is where one head coach gets fired 3 years after winning a Super Bowl, and the next one gets fired one year after getting to one.  

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Get serious.  John Harbaugh was hired as an NFL head coach in 2008 and had been nothing but a special teams coordinator since 1988.  He had no other coaching experience and was hired for his ability to relate to players and motivate them.  He survives and thrives as an NFL coach on that skillset.  Harbaugh offers absolutely nothing to offensive or defensive game planning.  Greg Roman created the offensive scheme that made Lamar Jackson an MVP; where Roman's scheme got stale Todd Monken has taken over.  On defense he had Martindale for 10 years before MacDonald took over.  He also has Ozzie Newsome running their front office, who happens to have a reputation as the best drafting executive in football.

How the F do you think Harbaugh would do if Monken and MacDonald quit tomorrow and weren't adequately replaced?  

You're just making stuff up, you have no idea what John Harbaugh is or isn't responsible for in the game plans and scheming. They've been ultra successful under him for like 15 years. And you also mentioned Tomlin who's never had a losing season in the NFL. Head coaches are involved in everything. What do you think John Harbaugh does if you don't think he's involved in game planning? Selecting the cafeteria menu? I think it's crazy to think he's not involved in game planning as the head coach.

And even if you're arguing that a head coach doesn't need be "in charge" of offense or defense to be good... after this season you can't even argue there's confidence Sirianni can do that based on this season.

 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

If Sirianni pitches Reich as OC, I think he's a goner.

Yeah no way at this point.  I’m done with that coaching tree.  The NFL has adjusted to it and it’s failed everywhere.  Steichen is the sole exclusion but that’s because he’s modified it and adjusted it accordingly. 

This report should put to rest who made the decision to switch from Desai to Patricia.

https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/eagles-haason-reddick-coverage-defense-matt-patricia-20240104.html

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An in-season coordinator change, however, is a first for Reddick. On Thursday, four days removed from the defense’s porous performance against the Cardinals in a 35-31 upset loss, Reddick didn’t sugarcoat the challenges of the team switching defensive play-calling duties from Sean Desai to Matt Patricia in Week 15.

"It’s a hard thing to do,” Reddick said. "But it’s our job at the end of the day. So there’s no complaints about it. But yes, that was definitely a hard thing, right?

"You spent so much time with one DC, and learning a new DC at that, at the beginning of the year, and trying to learn everything that he wants us to do, his terminology, the way that he calls things. And then, towards the end of the season, we switch.

"But, like I said, at the end of the day, it must get done. That’s what the higher-ups here felt was needed to get done in order to try to make a change and get some things corrected. So as players, we know we’ve got to go out there and do our best to perform.”

 

In my opinion, or at least what helps me sleep at night, is the FO forced the decision to change DCs, and the team essentially quit on the FO because they didn't like the decision.

Desai was dealt a bad hand with next to zero talent at LB and S. I really do wonder how much of the collapse is tied back to this decision and the FO Fed up any possible evaluations.